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We're just trying to protect the site, bud. If someone was selling pipes or bongs, etc., that would be the same to me as someone selling cannabis or seeds. Do you know why? Because governmental authorities cast a very wide net. They shut things down for lesser reasons first and then ask questions later. Even if their actions are based on a misunderstanding, that doesn't really matter, because the damage is done. You are a well-intentioned guy and I have no ill will towards you at all. I would just ask you to respect that BitShares is a great thing waiting to happen, and that if this site were shut down because the authorities THOUGHT there were drug sales going on here, that would be a big shame. PLEASE do not give them that excuse.

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We're just trying to protect the site, bud. If someone was selling pipes or bongs, etc., that would be the same to me as someone selling cannabis or seeds. Do you know why? Because governmental authorities cast a very wide net. They shut things down for lesser reasons first and then ask questions later. Even if their actions are based on a misunderstanding, that doesn't really matter, because the damage is done. You are a well-intentioned guy and I have no ill will towards you at all. I would just ask you to respect that BitShares is a great thing waiting to happen, and that if this site were shut down because the authorities THOUGHT there were drug sales going on here, that would be a big shame. PLEASE do not give them that excuse.

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We're just trying to protect the site, bud. If someone was selling pipes or bongs, etc., that would be the same to me as someone selling cannabis or seeds. Do you know why? Because governmental authorities cast a very wide net. They shut things down for lesser reasons first and then ask questions later. Even if their actions are based on a misunderstanding, that doesn't really matter, because the damage is done. You are a well-intentioned guy and I have no ill will towards you at all. I would just ask you to respect that BitShares is a great thing waiting to happen, and that if this site were shut down because the authorities THOUGHT there were drug sales going on here, that would be a big shame. PLEASE do not give them that excuse.

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You call me juvenile or so but the first reply which I would call juvenile was from speedy “get some help“.

Then you make an analogy and use words like dildos.. juvenile??!

Do you remember the first product which was paid in btsx? Tampons..

Then you have donkeypong who keeps on writing “selling cannabis“ or similar, not understanding the difference from seeds.

Puppies argument makes sense to me. The server of the forum could be in a country which could make problems. Therefore I also want my selling thread deleted, to protect the owner of bitsharestalk.

I did not cut this video and if you act like Speedy or you with your dildo explanation, you have to expect some reaction.

I made a thread a while ago how you see the situation with your many standby delegates.
You did not answer and thats why I said that you are too good to answer.
You take away so much space although you are not fully supported AND unwilling to make changes in order to get more support.

Also your bunker does not protect the users from police visits. Who knows the legal situation of our product Canada tomorrow.

Fav, you are selling “legally obtained“ or so Amazon cards. Wait, where did I see these kind of offers last time? Oh underground boards. Yet you worry about the view of the wider audience.

This thread can stay so the people can see that we are not perfect people.

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Infovortice, datasecurity is too good to reply, ..
His bunker is atomic proof but that doesnt help when the police is coming with a warrant.

Edit: deleted some swearing

I was actually quite busy all day working on dposhub with Crypto Prometheus... I offered a perspective and also gave you some things to think about if you ever hope to be successful as a delegate. If you want to respond to that with juvenile name calling and then try to suggest I am somehow doing something illegal at the bunker where police will break in here, that's your choice... a poor choice.

This isn't the first time you have taken jabs at me and/or the delegates I manage when in the past I have only given you support. So let me be a little more blunt (not the good kind of blunt that you enjoy every day) just to make it clear and maybe say what others here are thinking but not saying.

Your acting juvenile and erratic, and that doesn't evoke trust. A delegate is not a right, it's a responsibility. Your postings accusing people of being selfish and the like over the past month simply because you haven't gotten voted in also shows poor judgement. This doesn't do anything to inspire people to believe that you are responsible enough to handle a trusted financial position.

Continue to sell your seeds.. that's a fantastic opportunity and a marketable product.. just go do it at pot forums like I was suggesting in the first place. I'm sure selling them on the street you aren't doing it in a baby shop right? Wrong market. The video suggests however that you seem to get plenty of business from your street marketing with students. No online transactions fees to deal with that way, and it looks like you are having more fun there anyways. So just expand on that perhaps. Get organized.

Make some money and start taking on more responsibilities and then maybe you will better demonstrate that you should be voted for as a delegate.

I am not the coddling type.. I say what I think and think what I say.. I realize this will probably be taken with offence by you.. but I consider this some much needed tough love. If you are listening, nothing I have said is for the purpose of putting you down, but to give you a chance to pull yourself up.

Things don't change until you do.

You are the OP.. so you can delete this thread when ever you like.
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There is a post in the subreddit about how unprofessional this project is.

You mean this post : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitShares/comments/3i3g3l/i_cant_take_this_project_seriously_when_you_are/ ?

If so, do you mean that 38 trying to generate revenue using the BitShares platform is more unprofessional, offensive and/or harmful to BitShares than that fake FUD post from SundoshiNakatoto?

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There is a post in the subreddit about how unprofessional this project is.

So yeah lets not try to flog drugs on the forums please.

Im flattered I got a mention in the video :) but I dont really see how Im blocking freedom. The admins of this site have the freedom to moderate it however they see fit. Also, there is financial freedom that BitShares brings but there is also psychological & mental freedom. I dont think cannabis gives that - it seems to give memory problems from what Ive read.
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Marijuana remains illegal in most places. Good for you if it's legal where you live. For the rest of us, I'd prefer not to create unnecessary risk for this website by using it for such offers of sale.

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... and if I'm right, that Pfizer coming here posting their "Penis Seeds" ad would elicit joyous responses from the forum members, then we basically have the same siituation as being discussed with regards to the referral system favoring big businesses, amirite @fuzzy ?


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Martin will send you some wacky brownie.pts...just sayin'

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Martin will send you some wacky brownie.pts...just sayin'

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maybe you need a legal opium derivated bought in pharmafia, just Keep Calm.

lmao

I'm so split on this internally I think I need some legal opium derivatives. :P

What's funny is, I seriously doubt very many would say a word against a big Pharma company coming in here peddling their latest DRUG on the forum members for bitUSD.

I'm picturing Pfizer coming here and posting (like 38 did) their ad saying, "Our magic penis seeds are now for sale for bitUSD!", and the forum would be like ... "oh sheeeeeiiiittttt, Pfizer! we gonna b rich biatch!".  :P

BTW, there's a reason God (aka Your Government for the Statist out there) made teh "Disclaimer".  :P

@38PTSWarrior, I think the real problem here is that you're an individual selling seeds vs. you being an established government regulated corporation selling seeds. Now if some large firm from your country came in here with a very official looking post saying their huge website is now accepting bitUSD for seeds ... no problem. </just my point of view, I could be wrong>

Edit : Maybe someone should test the above theory with a sockpuppet account. ;)

« Last Edit: August 26, 2015, 08:20:33 pm by Tuck Fheman »

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Ok, then delete the thread. I understand this point and didnt think about it.

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Keep in mind that the servers that run this forum are (presumably) in someone's name.  They may live in a jurisdiction that does not look kindly upon the posting of hemp seeds for sale.  Potentially looking down on it to the extent that they would lock said person in a tiny room with no Windows. 

Furthermore there can be no censorship on private property. 

I've got your back in most things Martin, but not this.  Also I don't know what's up with you and data, but I'd try to bury the hatchet.  Ignore him if you have to.  We all want the same things here.
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Infovortice, datasecurity is too good to reply, ..
His bunker is atomic proof but that doesnt help when the police is coming with a warrant.

Edit: deleted some swearing
« Last Edit: August 26, 2015, 07:24:17 pm by 38PTSWarrior »

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IMHO this forum is about BitShares, the tech, the economics, the cultural implications ... The marketplace was meant for crypto trading afair and we may consider expressing it a little more clearly in the board name.

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can you atack someone for sell a piece of steel claiming is selling weapons  AK.47 or M16 ?

Well, if you're the US Gov you can. ;)

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I don't understand?

Why aren't we selling dildos on bitsharestalk too? Why are you against freedom to enjoy dildos?

What about vibrators? We can't sell those here?

Why not buttless chaps? You all against freedom?

Why can' we sell drugs that are illegal in some parts of the world? Don't you love BitShares freedom?

They are accepting bitUSD so they should be able to post it here. Even Mastercard and Visa post links to sex sites that accept visa/mastercard!

^^^^ The above is satirical and meant to prove the point that seems to be lost on the OP. Some things are appropriate in certain spaces while others are not. If this was lost on you before, perhaps my post is helping to further illustrate.. along with the various responses.

I don't think anybody here is against freedom, they are just more for propriety and protection of BitShares.

Making a video bad mouthing a fellow respected forum member who you are clearly slamming to others offline as well is no way to win votes for a delegate either. It's this lack of public perception awareness that I think is what holds you back.

Post about you seeds in pot forums.. there are tons of them with tons more targeted audience looking to buy more. Your offering here doesn't suit the demographic... I never seen any discussion about ganja seeds until you started it. Likewise, I might be making the first references to dildos and vibrators in this posting... this is the point.

You are not a victim here.

First time i read about weed here comes from you, about to make a grow in this obsolete hole claimed anti nucler, you asking for 6 delegates to make a pool in a hole !! ,,,, i just take a look and is almost empty.
with 6 delegates 100% payment maybe can send a satelite node/delegate/withness next year.

Yeah is bad talk about the work of others in comunity, im sorry. but you are sorry ?

Which part of Colection seeds are diferent than drug you not understand ? can you atack someone for sell a piece of steel claiming is selling weapons  AK.47 or M16 ?

maybe can be forgotten post in 10 days, like you say not demographic demand here, but you and other want to spread a bad image not only for post instead for the poster.

***** autodeleted coment about dildos and vibrators much satirical *****

maybe you need a legal opium derivated bought in pharmafia, just Keep Calm.

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I find this thread absurd.

I find the argument "cannabis is illegal somewhere" absurd because bitshares is also illegal somewhere in the world so should we shut the forum down?

And I also find the freedom argument absurd because, c'mon this is bitshares forum. :) As bytemaster states it, "all value is perceived value". So people's perception about bitshares counts. If people will stay away from a crypto platform because somebody tries to sell cannabis on its forums, I am all for not allowing it. Simply this is not the place.

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I don't understand?

Why aren't we selling dildos on bitsharestalk too? Why are you against freedom to enjoy dildos?

What about vibrators? We can't sell those here?

Why not buttless chaps? You all against freedom?

Why can' we sell drugs that are illegal in some parts of the world? Don't you love BitShares freedom?

They are accepting bitUSD so they should be able to post it here. Even Mastercard and Visa post links to sex sites that accept visa/mastercard!

^^^^ The above is satirical and meant to prove the point that seems to be lost on the OP. Some things are appropriate in certain spaces while others are not. If this was lost on you before, perhaps my post is helping to further illustrate.. along with the various responses.

I don't think anybody here is against freedom, they are just more for propriety and protection of BitShares.

Making a video bad mouthing a fellow respected forum member who you are clearly slamming to others offline as well is no way to win votes for a delegate either. It's this lack of public perception awareness that I think is what holds you back.

Post about you seeds in pot forums.. there are tons of them with tons more targeted audience looking to buy more. Your offering here doesn't suit the demographic... I never seen any discussion about ganja seeds until you started it. Likewise, I might be making the first references to dildos and vibrators in this posting... this is the point.

You are not a victim here.
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Marihuana its an expanding industry in mayor part of USA (and the world) i heard, its moving tons of money, hey and its legal !! milions of people are smoking just now (this can be a wider audience?)

 Sorry but i hate this conservative puritan vision of keep clean forum for a seed post.

Probably you doing good your job. but must think about.

I see your point and I understand it. that's why it's up for discussion internally, and not my decision alone to ban trades like this.

a final decision will take some time though

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Marihuana its an expanding industry in mayor part of USA (and the world) i heard, its moving tons of money, hey and its legal !! milions of people are smoking just now (this can be a wider audience?)

 Sorry but i hate this conservative puritan vision of keep clean forum for a seed post.

Probably you doing good your job. but must think about.
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its wrote BitShares seeds ??  i think is one user selling seeds.

what you do if one user start to spam web pages selling real drugs for bitusd etc... or create a weed uia to pay per gram ect...

nothing, but that's not the point. we're responsible for this forum and how we want to present BitShares to a wider audience.

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Personal note. I don't care what you take or smoke, but I expect a delegate to act in the interest of the project. there are other places for questionable activities.

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its wrote BitShares seeds ??  i think is one user selling seeds.

what you do if one user start to spam web pages selling real drugs for bitusd etc... or create a weed uia to pay per gram ect...
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why I'm against it:

- bad PR
- unwanted attention from alphabet agencies
- no minor control/child & youth protection
- illegal in "some" countries

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Personal note. I don't care what you take or smoke, but I expect a delegate to act in the interest of the project. there are other places for questionable activities. 
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here's the PM I sent you yesterday:

Hey,

thread moved to forum management until we discussed internally if we allow such trading activities.


do you need extra explanation?

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Seeds are for colectionist, Seeds are not drug.

its imposible have any legal problem with that anywhere.

Some people ask for freedom but not respect other freedom, want to impose his freedom because is the good freedom, this elements are that ones that really need help.

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Hi, fav censored my opener about selling cannabis seeds. He wrote me that he and others first want to check if this is allowed.

That was yesterday. Followed by a reply of donkeypong that the sale of illegal drugs is not allowed in the thread (lol).

What is the point of your post?

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Seriously? if u want to sell cannabis seeds .. pls do it in suited forum platforms etc or via dark market!
You should think about what a message will send out to potential new users .. if one of the first post they notice is

Sell 24% Ganja Seeds...

To be honest .. i'm smoking my self from time to time ... nothing big .. but pls not combine with BitShares if any possible  ..
Hope you get, what i'm trying to say ..

I feel ya both 38PTS and Fav ..



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Hi, fav censored my opener about selling cannabis seeds. He wrote me that he and others first want to check if this is allowed.

That was yesterday. Followed by a reply of donkeypong that the sale of illegal drugs is not allowed in the thread (lol).