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UIA fees
« on: November 05, 2015, 02:44:02 am »
I thought long and wide if to put this as topic in the "general" or in the stupid question thread.


Anyway, how do UIA fees work?


My take is you pay the usual BTS fee [40 BTS or whatever currently], plus y  you pay the fee set by the issuer?

Is this correct?


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well if not how it  is  working - who is the comettee member voting to  make it work as it was supposed to..
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 02:47:11 am by tonyk »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 03:17:54 am »

Can someone transfer f*ing brownies to himself and see what the fee is.

I will pay him the fee for that test.
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 07:00:47 am »
what's up with this request?

No one can transfer brownies and see the fee?

Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 07:10:17 am »
Looks like it costs the same as a BTS transfer:

https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/account/browniedistro (click on Operation column or date column to go the the block itself)
https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/534867
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 07:19:54 am »
Looks like it costs the same as a BTS transfer:

https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/account/browniedistro (click on Operation column or date column to go the the block itself)
https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/534867

Thanks svk.
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 07:37:08 am »
This thread was/is meant to expose a spammer at least, scammer at worst, of this forum/community

And while the spamming part seems acceptable per forum rules... I do not think the rest is!!!

His claims regarding the reason he is/wants to use UIA instead of BTS seem to be failing short quickly. His claim is "not because brownies are a free worthless tokens he can print with eases for any amount", but because brownies have LOWER FEES.

He is promising that  by using the said UIA to "bring the moon to BTS" more or less, of course.


Act accordingly!


 
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 07:49:04 am by tonyk »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 07:44:40 am »

This thread was/is meant to expose a spammer at least, scammer at worst, of this forum/community

And while the spamming part seems acceptable per forum rules... I do not thing the rest is.

His claims regarding the reason he is/wants to use UIA instead of BTS seem to be failing short quickly. His claim is "not because brownies are a free worthless tokens he can print with eases for any amount", but because brownies have LOWER FEES.

He is promising that  by using the said UIA to "bring the moon to BTS" more or less, of course.


Act accordingly!

actually none of those things were said, what tony fails to understand is that when transfering an asset within the graphene system, one can opt to pay the fee in either BTS, or the asset its self, for example, see the following transaction:

https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381

you can see that the fee was paid in USD not BTS, this system allows for a user to use the UIA somewhat more plyably than BTS, and even if it didnt, the fact that there is any fee at all involved with the use of a UIA should tell you that tony is literally freaking out over nothing, id be happy to cc anyone my pm conversation, at no point did i try to scam or spam anyone, infact i asked tony here to join me for a voice conversaton in mumble or skype so i could present him my argument as a developer - he would rather make forum posts like this and talk shit though i guess... oh well im still trying, i wont give up on you tony, i believe that you are just misguided and do not understand why UIA's exist.
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 07:52:54 am »

This thread was/is meant to expose a spammer at least, scammer at worst, of this forum/community

And while the spamming part seems acceptable per forum rules... I do not thing the rest is.

His claims regarding the reason he is/wants to use UIA instead of BTS seem to be failing short quickly. His claim is "not because brownies are a free worthless tokens he can print with eases for any amount", but because brownies have LOWER FEES.

He is promising that  by using the said UIA to "bring the moon to BTS" more or less, of course.


Act accordingly!

actually none of those things were said, what tony fails to understand is that when transfering an asset within the graphene system, one can opt to pay the fee in either BTS, or the asset its self, for example, see the following transaction:

https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381

you can see that the fee was paid in USD not BTS, this system allows for a user to use the UIA somewhat more plyably than BTS, and even if it didnt, the fact that there is any fee at all involved with the use of a UIA should tell you that tony is literally freaking out over nothing, id be happy to cc anyone my pm conversation, at no point did i try to scam or spam anyone, infact i asked tony here to join me for a voice conversaton in mumble or skype so i could present him my argument as a developer - he would rather make forum posts like this and talk shit though i guess... oh well im still trying, i wont give up on you tony, i believe that you are just misguided and do not understand why UIA's exist.

haha you want the PM exchange public?

Here it comes...

and BTW even if you pay the fee by the UIA it still >= of the fee in BTS terms....developer...of kinds.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 07:54:45 am by tonyk »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 08:06:42 am »
Hey pal, i been looking into you... I find you an interesting contradiction i would like to clear up.

See I understand completely where your coming from with your hate on brownies, you want to focus on the core community currency, your probably losing money right now holding BTS and you see brownies as one, of many other, problems with bts and why its falling... though from what ive seen of you, your not stupid, i think you can see as much as anyone that as BTC rises, all altcoins are getting slaughtered by people pulling out of the market...

Anyway we could talk trading strategy all day, but instead im seeking your help... I'm here to onboard my company, freebie, into the core development of the BTS ecosystem, honestly a large part of that is going to be brownie points... the reason I'm personally backing this UIA is not because I see it as an amazing way to reward people, though it can be with the right liquidity, but because we see it as a mechanism to directly pay for our own works and others who want to help improve the technology surrounding the core product...

please consider this for a moment, if we produce a way to pass out brownies, then produce a way to liquidate them across any market that holds BTS - owning and subsequently liquidating said brownie then becomes a direct cooralation to pumping the price of bts, inversely however the holding and offloading of brownies would never drop the bts price because the trading of UIA - btc is impossible without the direct connection to BTS...

All of that being said, those two mechanisms i speak of are already in play, our tip bot and exchange service (coming within the week) are focused on helping drive up the price of bts is various ways...
we have a lot of amazing tech coming out tony and we really would love your help testing it and giving you first mover access to our plans would be win/win for us both...

please consider what i have to say and understand that i dont see brownies as brown nosing, but as a way to start breathing life back into this community through micro transaction liquidity
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What is stopping you again from using BTS directly for all that?

I will tell you what - BTS cost money, while brownies are a worthless token [even without the brown nosing element, which I have no way of saying how much I hate], that can be printed at will and cost nothing ...and there is nothing behind them to make them worth anything.

You can sell this nonsense scheme to fuzz [if you are not him yourself] or other clueless idiots, good hearted folks. "no pasaran" here, not even close!

Sorry pal.
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hey man first of all im not fuzzy lol your free to talk to me in skype or mumble whatever any time you want, second of all im not trying to sell anything to anyone, third if you dont see the value of UIA in a system like this you may ACTUALLY be clueless - look i broke it down for you but you seem like your just being hard headed, im not after your money just your support on something that i honestly believe you will support if you fully understand... UIA are in fact a license to print meaningless tokens but its this system that pushes the core product, bts, further - you ask why we cant do it with the core product? its obvious that you really do not understand, the answer is transaction fees and community control essentially, the very things that make it good also prevent it from being powerful on an automation level...

please give us a chance and sit down with me in a chat some time before you judge that anyone's trying to sell anything to the clueless... or before saying that the point of them is brown nosing, its the exact opposite man... actually look up the origin of the term brownie point! id love to have you as an ally! please consider at least hearing my side of things in a chat dude... you cant be that close minded.
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its obvious that you really do not understand, the answer is transaction fees and community control essentially, the very things that make it good also prevent it from being powerful on an automation level...

....

id love to have you as an ally! please consider at least hearing my side of things in a chat dude... you cant be that close minded.

Anyone has me as as an ally already for anything that makes sense, no need to ask.

For the ones that feed (or try to)  feed me (or the any unsuspecting party) crap I cannot be anything but an enemy.

In this particular case: "transaction fees " being lower for UIA? You either yourself are an idiot or trying to make me one.
How can:  regular fee + UIA fee can be smaller than  regular fee ?

Regards.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 08:08:14 am by tonyk »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2015, 08:16:01 am »

This thread was/is meant to expose a spammer at least, scammer at worst, of this forum/community

And while the spamming part seems acceptable per forum rules... I do not thing the rest is.

His claims regarding the reason he is/wants to use UIA instead of BTS seem to be failing short quickly. His claim is "not because brownies are a free worthless tokens he can print with eases for any amount", but because brownies have LOWER FEES.

He is promising that  by using the said UIA to "bring the moon to BTS" more or less, of course.


Act accordingly!

actually none of those things were said, what tony fails to understand is that when transfering an asset within the graphene system, one can opt to pay the fee in either BTS, or the asset its self, for example, see the following transaction:

https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381

you can see that the fee was paid in USD not BTS, this system allows for a user to use the UIA somewhat more plyably than BTS, and even if it didnt, the fact that there is any fee at all involved with the use of a UIA should tell you that tony is literally freaking out over nothing, id be happy to cc anyone my pm conversation, at no point did i try to scam or spam anyone, infact i asked tony here to join me for a voice conversaton in mumble or skype so i could present him my argument as a developer - he would rather make forum posts like this and talk shit though i guess... oh well im still trying, i wont give up on you tony, i believe that you are just misguided and do not understand why UIA's exist.

haha you want the PM exchange public?

Here it comes...

and BTW even if you pay the fee by the UIA it still >= of the fee in BTS terms....developer...of kinds.


how is proving you wrong about the UIA fees, offering to have a chat and explain our vision and telling you i dont want any money from you or anyting scamming or spamming? oh no youve exposed my dastardly agenda by posting my pms which are very nice and offer you help!


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and BTW even if you pay the fee by the UIA it still >= of the fee in BTS terms....developer...of kinds.


completely incorrect, paying a uia which you have a large supply of != paying BTS which costs btc and theirfore money... its pretty simple to see pal?

did you think you were exposing me or something? did you not actually read the pm's? im pretty sure you didnt...

id still LOVE to have that voice chat with you and explain to you how all this works, you clearly have no grasp on it buddy.
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2015, 08:22:00 am »

This thread was/is meant to expose a spammer at least, scammer at worst, of this forum/community

And while the spamming part seems acceptable per forum rules... I do not thing the rest is.

His claims regarding the reason he is/wants to use UIA instead of BTS seem to be failing short quickly. His claim is "not because brownies are a free worthless tokens he can print with eases for any amount", but because brownies have LOWER FEES.

He is promising that  by using the said UIA to "bring the moon to BTS" more or less, of course.


Act accordingly!

actually none of those things were said, what tony fails to understand is that when transfering an asset within the graphene system, one can opt to pay the fee in either BTS, or the asset its self, for example, see the following transaction:

https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381

you can see that the fee was paid in USD not BTS, this system allows for a user to use the UIA somewhat more plyably than BTS, and even if it didnt, the fact that there is any fee at all involved with the use of a UIA should tell you that tony is literally freaking out over nothing, id be happy to cc anyone my pm conversation, at no point did i try to scam or spam anyone, infact i asked tony here to join me for a voice conversaton in mumble or skype so i could present him my argument as a developer - he would rather make forum posts like this and talk shit though i guess... oh well im still trying, i wont give up on you tony, i believe that you are just misguided and do not understand why UIA's exist.

haha you want the PM exchange public?

Here it comes...

and BTW even if you pay the fee by the UIA it still >= of the fee in BTS terms....developer...of kinds.


how is proving you wrong about the UIA fees, offering to have a chat and explain our vision and telling you i dont want any money from you or anyting scamming or spamming? oh no youve exposed my dastardly agenda by posting my pms which are very nice and offer you help!


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and BTW even if you pay the fee by the UIA it still >= of the fee in BTS terms....developer...of kinds.


completely incorrect, paying a uia which you have a large supply of != paying BTS which costs btc and theirfore money... its pretty simple to see pal?

did you think you were exposing me or something? did you not actually read the pm's? im pretty sure you didnt...

id still LOVE to have that voice chat with you and explain to you how all this works, you clearly have no grasp on it buddy.

I will just have you nonsense saved so you cannot change it...

developer kuro 577.

I will respond later... if you statement is not self explanatory enough. :)
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 08:29:57 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2015, 08:24:46 am »

This thread was/is meant to expose a spammer at least, scammer at worst, of this forum/community

And while the spamming part seems acceptable per forum rules... I do not thing the rest is.

His claims regarding the reason he is/wants to use UIA instead of BTS seem to be failing short quickly. His claim is "not because brownies are a free worthless tokens he can print with eases for any amount", but because brownies have LOWER FEES.

He is promising that  by using the said UIA to "bring the moon to BTS" more or less, of course.


Act accordingly!

actually none of those things were said, what tony fails to understand is that when transfering an asset within the graphene system, one can opt to pay the fee in either BTS, or the asset its self, for example, see the following transaction:

https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381

you can see that the fee was paid in USD not BTS, this system allows for a user to use the UIA somewhat more plyably than BTS, and even if it didnt, the fact that there is any fee at all involved with the use of a UIA should tell you that tony is literally freaking out over nothing, id be happy to cc anyone my pm conversation, at no point did i try to scam or spam anyone, infact i asked tony here to join me for a voice conversaton in mumble or skype so i could present him my argument as a developer - he would rather make forum posts like this and talk shit though i guess... oh well im still trying, i wont give up on you tony, i believe that you are just misguided and do not understand why UIA's exist.

haha you want the PM exchange public?

Here it comes...

and BTW even if you pay the fee by the UIA it still >= of the fee in BTS terms....developer...of kinds.


how is proving you wrong about the UIA fees, offering to have a chat and explain our vision and telling you i dont want any money from you or anyting scamming or spamming? oh no youve exposed my dastardly agenda by posting my pms which are very nice and offer you help!


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and BTW even if you pay the fee by the UIA it still >= of the fee in BTS terms....developer...of kinds.


completely incorrect, paying a uia which you have a large supply of != paying BTS which costs btc and theirfore money... its pretty simple to see pal?

did you think you were exposing me or something? did you not actually read the pm's? im pretty sure you didnt...

id still LOVE to have that voice chat with you and explain to you how all this works, you clearly have no grasp on it buddy.

I will just have you nonsense saved so you cannot change it...

developer kuro 577.

i feel like your not reading anything im writing and are just arguing at this point for the sake of argument, i see no rational counter argument other than the fact that you hate brown nosers and think that brownies have anything to do with the concept of brown nosing... im more than willing to flesh this subject out with you and discuss the pros and cons of brownies...

but you dont seem interested in doing anything other than FUDing... im trying my hardest to reach out to you on a personal level and give you a breakdown of our goals... how are you going to call me a scammer, pretend like your some justice hero of the forums, call brownies bad -
 and not be willing to even entertain a discussion? are you that close minded? are you the actual problem with BTS? thats what it seems like...

ive thought about this more, and i wont give up on you tony, your the exact kind of closed minded, uninformed investor that kills crypto and by god i will make you see the light man, you dont understand yet how UIA's propell the core asset (bts) and your very stubborn and ignorant in your position, but your not stupid! anyone can see that... you just need to give other people a chance to break this system down in a way you can actually understand because right now your just being hard headed and you do not understand the implications of using a UIA over the core asset. this is a form of purposeful ignorance we can break man, you just have to give us a shot and be willing to discuss this with us in a civilized format. are you telling me your unwilling to do that but your willing to go around FUDing every thing we do? really? thats the rep you want here? the ignoramus who FUDs anything he doesn't understand?
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 08:32:38 am by kuro112 »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2015, 08:33:05 am »
I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure said goal goes  beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA . UIA with unlimited supply that is.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 08:34:53 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 08:34:45 am »

I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.

which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2015, 08:38:06 am »

I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.

which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!

well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.

What is more disturbing in more ways than you probably  realize is- every ass licker can make infinite supply of brownies by licking harder!!!
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 08:42:58 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2015, 08:40:52 am »

I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.

which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!

well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.

your right he can, but please look at what hes been doing with it? point out one single blockchain transaction where hes been less than fair with his distrobution?

this is what im trying to explain man, if you give us a chance to break down the intended use for our automation systems, how we plan to bring liquidity into this market, and how we plan to use brownies and other UIA to increase the core value of bts, you will see that were not scammers, were not trying to print currency, and were not shouting 'to the moon!'

we have a specific strategy that involves the use of UIA both to sharedrop and increase the intrinsic value of products, as well as a form of micro liquidation for users on the forums...

please just have a mumble or skype chat dude, it will open your eyes! even if you walk away still hating browines at least you can say you were open minded enough to hear us out.
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2015, 08:49:13 am »

I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.

which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!

well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.

your right he can, but please look at what hes been doing with it? point out one single blockchain transaction where hes been less than fair with his distrobution?

this is what im trying to explain man, if you give us a chance to break down the intended use for our automation systems, how we plan to bring liquidity into this market, and how we plan to use brownies and other UIA to increase the core value of bts, you will see that were not scammers, were not trying to print currency, and were not shouting 'to the moon!'

we have a specific strategy that involves the use of UIA both to sharedrop and increase the intrinsic value of products, as well as a form of micro liquidation for users on the forums...

please just have a mumble or skype chat dude, it will open your eyes! even if you walk away still hating browines at least you can say you were open minded enough to hear us out.

I am open minded but still ...why do you have to use fuzz's  speaking patterns when typing?

Do not ask me which//What.
everyone who has heard 5 mumbles knows them:

if you give us a chance
this is what im trying to explain man
do not yet understand the implications
you just do not have all the information
[we are]working behind the scene....
great things coming
just out of curiosity

I have 20-50 more...all of which are all over your posts & PMs.

« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 08:58:56 am by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2015, 08:55:48 am »

I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.

which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!

well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.

your right he can, but please look at what hes been doing with it? point out one single blockchain transaction where hes been less than fair with his distrobution?

this is what im trying to explain man, if you give us a chance to break down the intended use for our automation systems, how we plan to bring liquidity into this market, and how we plan to use brownies and other UIA to increase the core value of bts, you will see that were not scammers, were not trying to print currency, and were not shouting 'to the moon!'

we have a specific strategy that involves the use of UIA both to sharedrop and increase the intrinsic value of products, as well as a form of micro liquidation for users on the forums...

please just have a mumble or skype chat dude, it will open your eyes! even if you walk away still hating browines at least you can say you were open minded enough to hear us out.

I am open minded but still ...why do you have to use fuzz's  speaking patterns when typing?

bro i think you have spent too much time typing back and forth to fuzzy lol! if you would chat with us youll see im clearly a different person... if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... this is what im trying to help with! i totally agree with your side of it, we should stop trying to use UIA's as tokens to print money and instead use them for specific purposes, in my case - its useful from a reward automation perspective.

btw those phrases you quoted, they are the language of diplomacy, if you actually did an inline google search for them you would find them pretty much anywhere money is involved.

im glad your keeping an open mind, seriously! please let me know when a good time is that we can sit down and chat about stuff, i was serious when i said i want you to understand what were doing and be an ally not an enemy! i think our goals are probably the same in the end, we just have different appraoches... this is actually a good thing in a free market man!

hit me up when / if you wanna schedule a sitdown :D
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 09:06:32 am by kuro112 »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2015, 09:05:59 am »

I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.

which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!

well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.

your right he can, but please look at what hes been doing with it? point out one single blockchain transaction where hes been less than fair with his distrobution?

this is what im trying to explain man, if you give us a chance to break down the intended use for our automation systems, how we plan to bring liquidity into this market, and how we plan to use brownies and other UIA to increase the core value of bts, you will see that were not scammers, were not trying to print currency, and were not shouting 'to the moon!'

we have a specific strategy that involves the use of UIA both to sharedrop and increase the intrinsic value of products, as well as a form of micro liquidation for users on the forums...

please just have a mumble or skype chat dude, it will open your eyes! even if you walk away still hating browines at least you can say you were open minded enough to hear us out.

I am open minded but still ...why do you have to use fuzz's  speaking patterns when typing?

bro i think you have spent too much time typing back and forth to fuzzy lol! if you would chat with us youll see im clearly a different person... if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... this is what im trying to help with! i totally agree with your side of it, we should stop trying to use UIA's as tokens to print money and instead use them for specific purposes, in my case - its useful from a reward automation perspective.

im glad your keeping an open mind, seriously! please let me know when a good time is that we can sit down and chat about stuff, i was serious when i said i want you to understand what were doing and be an ally not an enemy! i think our goals are probably the same in the end, we just have different appraoches... this is actually a good thing in a free market man!

hit me up when / if you wanna schedule a sitdown :D


"if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... "

 I would not be so harsh on the printing press... I mean the printing press always has a vision...even when it does not! :)
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2015, 09:08:24 am »

And by the way I do not know if you have read my signature!
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2015, 09:12:29 am »

I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.

which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!

well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.

your right he can, but please look at what hes been doing with it? point out one single blockchain transaction where hes been less than fair with his distrobution?

this is what im trying to explain man, if you give us a chance to break down the intended use for our automation systems, how we plan to bring liquidity into this market, and how we plan to use brownies and other UIA to increase the core value of bts, you will see that were not scammers, were not trying to print currency, and were not shouting 'to the moon!'

we have a specific strategy that involves the use of UIA both to sharedrop and increase the intrinsic value of products, as well as a form of micro liquidation for users on the forums...

please just have a mumble or skype chat dude, it will open your eyes! even if you walk away still hating browines at least you can say you were open minded enough to hear us out.

I am open minded but still ...why do you have to use fuzz's  speaking patterns when typing?

bro i think you have spent too much time typing back and forth to fuzzy lol! if you would chat with us youll see im clearly a different person... if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... this is what im trying to help with! i totally agree with your side of it, we should stop trying to use UIA's as tokens to print money and instead use them for specific purposes, in my case - its useful from a reward automation perspective.

im glad your keeping an open mind, seriously! please let me know when a good time is that we can sit down and chat about stuff, i was serious when i said i want you to understand what were doing and be an ally not an enemy! i think our goals are probably the same in the end, we just have different appraoches... this is actually a good thing in a free market man!

hit me up when / if you wanna schedule a sitdown :D


"if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... "

 I would not be so harsh on the printing press... I mean the printing press always has a vision...even when it does not! :)


obviously you and fuzz go way back dude, im not here to get in the middle of that, whatever bad blood is betwene you guys is betwene you guys -
im here to push technology that improves bitshares, and drives up the core asset's price...

but i need to be super clear about something, in BTS 2, BTS its self is just another asset, it exists completely the same, code wise, as every other UIA.

think about the implications of this for a moment man, before you call some one a brown noser for passing around bts!

anyway you keep taking jabs at myself and fuzz and keep doding rational responses to the points im raising, nowhere have i seen a valid argument on your part about why you hate the brownie system, other than the fact that it stands for brown nosing... lets look into that shall we?



surprisingly, your actually kind of right, one of 6 definitions do bring brown nosing into question - so i suppose i cant completely say your wrong about that, however the vast majority of sources agree that brownie points, the concept their of, has to do with rewarding people for their hard work.

look man, we could argue on the forums all day, but in the end i keep inviting you to a voice chat and instead of coming you keep this attitude up, you say your open minded but i dont see you proving it anywhere? seriously pal just come into mumble or skype with us, let us explain things!
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2015, 09:15:53 am »
I am not claiming brownies will not be a great success, at the end of the day.

All I am saying is that any thing they achieve is at the  expense of BTS.
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2015, 09:21:03 am »
I am not claiming brownies will not be a great success, at the end of the day.

All I am saying is that any thing they achieve is at the  expense of BTS.

what are you doing to make Bitshares a success? except for pushing your personal vendetta against a user issued asset?
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2015, 09:23:46 am »

I know you have a goal, OK.

I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond  making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.

which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!

well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.

your right he can, but please look at what hes been doing with it? point out one single blockchain transaction where hes been less than fair with his distrobution?

this is what im trying to explain man, if you give us a chance to break down the intended use for our automation systems, how we plan to bring liquidity into this market, and how we plan to use brownies and other UIA to increase the core value of bts, you will see that were not scammers, were not trying to print currency, and were not shouting 'to the moon!'

we have a specific strategy that involves the use of UIA both to sharedrop and increase the intrinsic value of products, as well as a form of micro liquidation for users on the forums...

please just have a mumble or skype chat dude, it will open your eyes! even if you walk away still hating browines at least you can say you were open minded enough to hear us out.

I am open minded but still ...why do you have to use fuzz's  speaking patterns when typing?

bro i think you have spent too much time typing back and forth to fuzzy lol! if you would chat with us youll see im clearly a different person... if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... this is what im trying to help with! i totally agree with your side of it, we should stop trying to use UIA's as tokens to print money and instead use them for specific purposes, in my case - its useful from a reward automation perspective.

im glad your keeping an open mind, seriously! please let me know when a good time is that we can sit down and chat about stuff, i was serious when i said i want you to understand what were doing and be an ally not an enemy! i think our goals are probably the same in the end, we just have different appraoches... this is actually a good thing in a free market man!

hit me up when / if you wanna schedule a sitdown :D


"if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... "

 I would not be so harsh on the printing press... I mean the printing press always has a vision...even when it does not! :)


obviously you and fuzz go way back dude, im not here to get in the middle of that, whatever bad blood is betwene you guys is betwene you guys -
im here to push technology that improves bitshares, and drives up the core asset's price...

but i need to be super clear about something, in BTS 2, BTS its self is just another asset, it exists completely the same, code wise, as every other UIA.

think about the implications of this for a moment man, before you call some one a brown noser for passing around bts!

anyway you keep taking jabs at myself and fuzz and keep doding rational responses to the points im raising, nowhere have i seen a valid argument on your part about why you hate the brownie system, other than the fact that it stands for brown nosing... lets look into that shall we?



surprisingly, your actually kind of right, one of 6 definitions do bring brown nosing into question - so i suppose i cant completely say your wrong about that, however the vast majority of sources agree that brownie points, the concept their of, has to do with rewarding people for their hard work.

look man, we could argue on the forums all day, but in the end i keep inviting you to a voice chat and instead of coming you keep this attitude up, you say your open minded but i dont see you proving it anywhere? seriously pal just come into mumble or skype with us, let us explain things!

if you did not get it by now I am quite clear on "things" and do not really needed teaching.

Mumble is fine if you insist...alphabar had one with me...then shortly after he went into oblivion. :) If I were you I would keep on spamming this forum as hard as you do now...and not face the hard reality... aka me.

Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2015, 09:24:26 am »
I am not claiming brownies will not be a great success, at the end of the day.

All I am saying is that any thing they achieve is at the  expense of BTS.

how is that even possible?
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.

next you argue that it has to do with brown nosing and printing money, when i offer alternate explanations on why this isnt the case, you refuse to listen.

third i offer, over and over again, to have a personal conversation to clear up anything you may not understand, you just keep ignoring me and posting ignorantly.

are you reading anything im writing? is English not your first language? i can translate to whatever your native toung is pal, it seems like my words are not going through...

lets break this down to essentials:

1) using uias actually increases the value of the core asset, bts, which its self is a UIA in bts 2.0

2) you think i some how can print these, or even that fuzzy can - which he cant, there is a limited supply and even if they somehow rewarded brown nosing, which i have also proven to be incorrect, the supply would run out very fast considering how much people kiss ass here....

3) you refuse to participate in any sort of active discussion, we suspect out of fear that you do not have time to form ignorant arguments when the points you raise are invalid.


how is anything your saying or doing not FUD ? your clearly just trying to detract from other peoples ventures, for what reason? only you can know, but seriously stop FUDing out of ignorance, either sit down with us and discuss things with an open mind or stop posting places you have nothing useful to contribute and stop running a FUD signature...

anyone can see what your up to. you dont like fuzzzy so youll attack his ideas as much as possible, well guess what, im not fuzzy, and i have far more rational points to make about this than he does, furthermore im willing to tell you exactly whats up... either be open minded like you claim or stop FUDing, not too much to ask.


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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2015, 09:34:26 am »
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.
well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.

Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.

And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2015, 09:40:39 am »
I am not claiming brownies will not be a great success, at the end of the day.

All I am saying is that any thing they achieve is at the  expense of BTS.

what are you doing to make Bitshares a success? except for pushing your personal vendetta against a user issued asset?

For starter I am not promoting NXT any chance I get appropriately or not.
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2015, 09:41:19 am »
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.
well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.

Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.

And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.


first of all, ive already proven you can pay for a UIA transaction with UIA, so say you have 100 kuro points, you transfer 10 kuro points, costing you a transaction of 5 kuro points, and assume 5 kuro points equal the value of 40 bts (tx fee)

explain how you paid 40 bts and not 5 kuro points just now? you didnt? thats what i thought.

secondly, transaction fees within the BTS system will always increase the core assets value its literally impossible to detract from their value as BTS is required for any form of transaction, even if i was going to sell 100 kuro points for 5 million bts, im still making that move within the bts ecosystem and because i cant move 100 kuro points for btc directly, without liquidating bts, its literally impossible not to increase the core price at some point in that process, this is really basic economics behind the UIA idea, how are you failing to grasp this? your throwing around words like idiotic and idiot, i dont remember calling you dumb a single time but your starting to give me that impression...

your exactly the kind of ignorant, scared trader that makes coins like bts go nowhere... open your mind for 5 mins and youll see you haven't made a single rational argument, all your doing is FUDING and crusading against some ones UIA because you dont like them, your struggling very hard to justify that vendetta, this much is obvious.

please raise a rational point regarding your hatred for the UIA or stop FUDing, remove your signature and come talk to us in mumble pal, despite your ignorance and insult slinging i still want you on my side, i think you can do good things with us if you get over this bullshit your dealing with right now.
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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2015, 09:43:03 am »
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.
well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.

Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.

And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.


first of all, ive already proven you can pay for a UIA transaction with UIA, so say you have 100 kuro points, you transfer 10 kuro points, costing you a transaction of 5 kuro points, and assume 5 kuro points equal the value of 40 bts (tx fee)

explain how you paid 40 bts and not 5 kuro points just now? you didnt? thats what i thought.

secondly, transaction fees within the BTS system will always increase the core assets value its literally impossible to detract from their value as BTS is required for any form of transaction, even if i was going to sell 100 kuro points for 5 million bts, im still making that move within the bts ecosystem and because i cant move 100 kuro points for btc directly, without liquidating bts, its literally impossible not to increase the core price at some point in that process, this is really basic economics behind the UIA idea, how are you failing to grasp this? your throwing around words like idiotic and idiot, i dont remember calling you dumb a single time but your starting to give me that impression...

your exactly the kind of ignorant, scared trader that makes coins like bts go nowhere... open your mind for 5 mins and youll see you haven't made a single rational argument, all your doing is FUDING and crusading against some ones UIA because you dont like them, your struggling very hard to justify that vendetta, this much is obvious.

please raise a rational point regarding your hatred for the UIA or stop FUDing, remove your signature and come talk to us in mumble pal, despite your ignorance and insult slinging i still want you on my side, i think you can do good things with us if you get over this bullshit your dealing with right now.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo
 you can not pay for UIA fees with UIAs!!!!!


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User can but someone has to have paid the fee pool already!
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2015, 09:44:08 am »
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.
well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.

Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.

And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.


first of all, ive already proven you can pay for a UIA transaction with UIA, so say you have 100 kuro points, you transfer 10 kuro points, costing you a transaction of 5 kuro points, and assume 5 kuro points equal the value of 40 bts (tx fee)

explain how you paid 40 bts and not 5 kuro points just now? you didnt? thats what i thought.

secondly, transaction fees within the BTS system will always increase the core assets value its literally impossible to detract from their value as BTS is required for any form of transaction, even if i was going to sell 100 kuro points for 5 million bts, im still making that move within the bts ecosystem and because i cant move 100 kuro points for btc directly, without liquidating bts, its literally impossible not to increase the core price at some point in that process, this is really basic economics behind the UIA idea, how are you failing to grasp this? your throwing around words like idiotic and idiot, i dont remember calling you dumb a single time but your starting to give me that impression...

your exactly the kind of ignorant, scared trader that makes coins like bts go nowhere... open your mind for 5 mins and youll see you haven't made a single rational argument, all your doing is FUDING and crusading against some ones UIA because you dont like them, your struggling very hard to justify that vendetta, this much is obvious.

please raise a rational point regarding your hatred for the UIA or stop FUDing, remove your signature and come talk to us in mumble pal, despite your ignorance and insult slinging i still want you on my side, i think you can do good things with us if you get over this bullshit your dealing with right now.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo
 you can not pay for UIA fees with UIAs!!!!!


https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381

what am i doing right here than bud?


you still refuse to even try to understand what the hell were talking about... seriously just stop this FUD and grow up, come talk to us in mumble so we can explain the things you dont understand

i also noticed you cant say a single thing refuting my logic about uias actually helping, furthermore you cant give a single thing your doing to help this community.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 09:47:34 am by kuro112 »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2015, 09:48:01 am »
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.
well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.

Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.

And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.


first of all, ive already proven you can pay for a UIA transaction with UIA, so say you have 100 kuro points, you transfer 10 kuro points, costing you a transaction of 5 kuro points, and assume 5 kuro points equal the value of 40 bts (tx fee)

explain how you paid 40 bts and not 5 kuro points just now? you didnt? thats what i thought.

secondly, transaction fees within the BTS system will always increase the core assets value its literally impossible to detract from their value as BTS is required for any form of transaction, even if i was going to sell 100 kuro points for 5 million bts, im still making that move within the bts ecosystem and because i cant move 100 kuro points for btc directly, without liquidating bts, its literally impossible not to increase the core price at some point in that process, this is really basic economics behind the UIA idea, how are you failing to grasp this? your throwing around words like idiotic and idiot, i dont remember calling you dumb a single time but your starting to give me that impression...

your exactly the kind of ignorant, scared trader that makes coins like bts go nowhere... open your mind for 5 mins and youll see you haven't made a single rational argument, all your doing is FUDING and crusading against some ones UIA because you dont like them, your struggling very hard to justify that vendetta, this much is obvious.

please raise a rational point regarding your hatred for the UIA or stop FUDing, remove your signature and come talk to us in mumble pal, despite your ignorance and insult slinging i still want you on my side, i think you can do good things with us if you get over this bullshit your dealing with right now.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo
 you can not pay for UIA fees with UIAs!!!!!


https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381

what am i doing right here than bud?


you still refuse to even try to understand what the hell were talking about... seriously just stop this FUD and grow up, come talk to us in mumble so we can explain the things you dont understand

well paying exuberant fees as far as I can tell...and that is not even an UIA.
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2015, 09:49:26 am »
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.
well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.

Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.

And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.


first of all, ive already proven you can pay for a UIA transaction with UIA, so say you have 100 kuro points, you transfer 10 kuro points, costing you a transaction of 5 kuro points, and assume 5 kuro points equal the value of 40 bts (tx fee)

explain how you paid 40 bts and not 5 kuro points just now? you didnt? thats what i thought.

secondly, transaction fees within the BTS system will always increase the core assets value its literally impossible to detract from their value as BTS is required for any form of transaction, even if i was going to sell 100 kuro points for 5 million bts, im still making that move within the bts ecosystem and because i cant move 100 kuro points for btc directly, without liquidating bts, its literally impossible not to increase the core price at some point in that process, this is really basic economics behind the UIA idea, how are you failing to grasp this? your throwing around words like idiotic and idiot, i dont remember calling you dumb a single time but your starting to give me that impression...

your exactly the kind of ignorant, scared trader that makes coins like bts go nowhere... open your mind for 5 mins and youll see you haven't made a single rational argument, all your doing is FUDING and crusading against some ones UIA because you dont like them, your struggling very hard to justify that vendetta, this much is obvious.

please raise a rational point regarding your hatred for the UIA or stop FUDing, remove your signature and come talk to us in mumble pal, despite your ignorance and insult slinging i still want you on my side, i think you can do good things with us if you get over this bullshit your dealing with right now.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo
 you can not pay for UIA fees with UIAs!!!!!


https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381

what am i doing right here than bud?


you still refuse to even try to understand what the hell were talking about... seriously just stop this FUD and grow up, come talk to us in mumble so we can explain the things you dont understand

well paying exuberant fees as far as I can tell...and that is not even an UIA.

if you understood anything about bts 2 you would see that USD, BTS, and any other UIA act exactly the same, for the sake of the internal API, there is not even a send or a buy function, the same 'sell' function controls every transaction, and allows you to specify which currency you pay the fee in.


im still waiting to hear how your helping the community or keeping an open mind, you keep saying so but you keep FUDing and insulting people.
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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2015, 09:50:31 am »
I am not claiming brownies will not be a great success, at the end of the day.

All I am saying is that any thing they achieve is at the  expense of BTS.

what are you doing to make Bitshares a success? except for pushing your personal vendetta against a user issued asset?

For starter I am not promoting NXT any chance I get appropriately or not.

I asked what you're doing, not what you're not doing. I know the answer already, so take it rhetorical.
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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2015, 09:55:13 am »
I am not claiming brownies will not be a great success, at the end of the day.

All I am saying is that any thing they achieve is at the  expense of BTS.

what are you doing to make Bitshares a success? except for pushing your personal vendetta against a user issued asset?

For starter I am not promoting NXT any chance I get appropriately or not.

I asked what you're doing, not what you're not doing. I know the answer already, so take it rhetorical.

well if you want positive tense - recovering from BM inflicted 50% over the market price purchases by my short positions.

Your self? Other than moving threads to the most obscure  and illogical places for no reason?
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2015, 09:57:07 am »
Ill leave it at this:

1) we have proven everything tonyk has to say here incorrect or uninformed
2) while tony is on a FUD campaign and providing no real value to this community, we still love him
3) we would still like to work with tony and explain the things he does not understand
4) we will be having an open mumble session soon to discuss these and more subjects, which tony is invited as our guest speaker.
5) if im in any way incorrect about the way UIA's work, i will glady accept that, and would love to talk to a core dev about this subject.

this discussion was not very productive to say the least, but i will invite tony to come talk to us any time,
that is if he can believe im not fuzzy or not trying to scam him some how haha

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2015, 10:06:07 am »
Ill leave it at this:

1) we have proven everything tonyk has to say here incorrect or uninformed
2) while tony is on a FUD campaign and providing no real value to this community, we still love him
3) we would still like to work with tony and explain the things he does not understand
4) we will be having an open mumble session soon to discuss these and more subjects, which tony is invited as our guest speaker.
5) if im in any way incorrect about the way UIA's work, i will glady accept that, and would love to talk to a core dev about this subject.

this discussion was not very productive to say the least, but i will invite tony to come talk to us any time,
that is if he can believe im not fuzzy or not trying to scam him some how haha

good night folks.

You are an idiot...I hope you know it.

1. all the wrong and misinform(ed)ing statements were yours....like the UIA having lower fees.
2. Your promises for VALUE is yet to be seen...staring with lies is not a good way to go but you know better.

some nonsense cover ups in 3-5

« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 10:09:10 am by tonyk »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2015, 10:09:07 am »
Ill leave it at this:

1) we have proven everything tonyk has to say here incorrect or uninformed
2) while tony is on a FUD campaign and providing no real value to this community, we still love him
3) we would still like to work with tony and explain the things he does not understand
4) we will be having an open mumble session soon to discuss these and more subjects, which tony is invited as our guest speaker.
5) if im in any way incorrect about the way UIA's work, i will glady accept that, and would love to talk to a core dev about this subject.

this discussion was not very productive to say the least, but i will invite tony to come talk to us any time,
that is if he can believe im not fuzzy or not trying to scam him some how haha

good night folks.

You are an idiot...I hope you know it.

1. all the wrong and misinformed statements were yours....like the UIA having lower fees.
2. Your promises for VALUE is yet to be seen...staring with lies is not a good way to go but you know better.

some nonsense cover ups in 3-5

so far you havent had a single rational argument, you cant even tell me why uias have fees, what the fees are, how to enforce them etc, your talking out of your ass!

also i havent lied a single time? bro you are really ignorant and uninformed, anyone whos reading this topic can see that your just on a FUD campaign, you havent even refuted it!

do you really wanna be known as the guy who fuds everything he doesnt understand? do you think anyone will take you seriously after all this?

all im asking is that you keep an open mind and have a discussion with us and youve devolved this into name slinging... grow up dude!

were in mumble any time you want to chat with us bro, i know we have the same ideas for bts your just sour that your losing money right now, grow up and see that were on the same side!

let us know when a good time to sit down for that chat is
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2015, 10:17:36 am »
well for one, I have never found a thing I do not understand.... at least in crypto  :P

and you have never asked me why uia have fees. I can surely answer that for you. also make it clear for you why they can and should not have very low fees. Especially why never lower than the core fee.

Other than that kudos on the fast typing.
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2015, 10:18:59 am »
well for one, I have never found a thing I do not understand.... at least in crypto  :P

and you have never asked me why uia have fees. I can surely answer that for you. also make it clear for you why they can and should not have very low fees. Especially why never lower than the core fee.

Other than that kudos on the fast typing.

i still see no rational arguments, i see no proof you have done anything to help the bts value, i see nothing from you but FUD, hot air and bullshit.

we will wait for a date and time that you can meet us in mumble to hash this out as you clearly do not understand whats going on in this community pal
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2015, 10:20:30 am »
 and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?

All I have to do is point at them  wrong 'facts' :)

Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2015, 10:21:02 am »
What is more disturbing in more ways than you probably  realize is- every ass licker can make infinite supply of brownies by licking harder!!!



Disclaimer: My first reaction to Brownie.PTS being announced was sort of like ... "WTF! You can take them away if you don't like what I have to say?!!!".  I did not like that aspect of them, but was assured that would not happen (I think, but I have no way of stopping it from happening). But, yes I have tried to keep my mouth shut as much as possible because I feel I (and others I know) have been "overlooked" on several occasions when doing task for Brownies.  Keep in mind, I have no way of knowing if that's actually happened or not, I just suspect it did on several occasions since we seemed to be overlooked after expressing opposing opinions on the forum or making some meme some considered anti-BitShares or just not on the same course as everyone else. Keep in mind that I'm a huge conspiracy buff. ;) 

Now on with my post, but first another disclaimer, lol ...

Man I really hate getting involved in conversations going down these paths but, dudes kind of got a point (I think) the more I read between the lines.

As an outside observer, it appears to me this is all about bytemaster being the Federal Reserve and issuing a fiat currency from thin air (Brownie.PTS).

So some people are being paid with this fiat currency (and some are) hoping to find someone willing to exchange their real money (BTS) for this currency printed from thin air at the whim of the Federal Reserve (bytemaster).

Even worse, this Federal Reserve Chairman (bytemaster) openly stated (for legal reasons or otherwise, no one knows) that he would/could take back Brownies from accounts he deemed were not pleasing him personally. His exact words are in a transcript my friend wrote, look it up if you like and know that my friend is no longer helping with transcripts because he stopped receiving Brownies for his task after making his bitLife comic or some comments on the forum that we assume were not pleasing to the Federal Reserve (bytemaster). ;)

So, not only can the Fed (bytemaster) take back the fiat currency (Brownie.PTS) he can also choose not to reward you for your work at his personal whim.  Even worse, you'll never find out until after you completed the work. I won't even get into the fact (well, more than this) that he has now delegated a new Fed chair (fuzzy) who can pass any blame for non-payment onto the IMF (now bytemaster). Sorry fuzzy, had to get that in because it's just the way it is. ;)

Now, how hard are you going to work knowing all of that?

Am I missing the point?

Did I just expose my true feelings and am never going to receive Brownie.PTS again for doing so?

Should I stop contributing to the ecosystem because I'm afraid after I put in many many hours I may never get "paid" in fiat currency (Brownie.PTS) or the IMF (bytemaster, Former Fed-chair) will remove them from my wallet while I'm sleeping?

And here's my last disclaimer ... I love Brownie.PTS!  But I have fundamental issues with them (see above).
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 10:23:23 am by Tuck Fheman »

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2015, 10:22:07 am »
and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?

All I have to do is point at them  wrong 'facts' :)

so your saying that even though i disproved what you have to say about fees, that you cant prove your value to this community and your continuing to FUD, that all you have to do is point things out that are wrong? you dont see how ignorant this is? you dont think maybe you need to provide some kind of proof regarding the things you say like i have?
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2015, 10:22:50 am »
well for one, I have never found a thing I do not understand.... at least in crypto  :P

and you have never asked me why uia have fees. I can surely answer that for you. also make it clear for you why they can and should not have very low fees. Especially why never lower than the core fee.

Other than that kudos on the fast typing.

i still see no rational arguments, i see no proof you have done anything to help the bts value, i see nothing from you but FUD, hot air and bullshit.

we will wait for a date and time that you can meet us in mumble to hash this out as you clearly do not understand whats going on in this community pal

Who claimed I have done anything for BTS value?
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2015, 10:25:12 am »
What is more disturbing in more ways than you probably  realize is- every ass licker can make infinite supply of brownies by licking harder!!!



Disclaimer: My first reaction to Brownie.PTS being announced was sort of like ... "WTF! You can take them away if you don't like what I have to say?!!!".  I did not like that aspect of them, but was assured that would not happen (I think, but I have no way of stopping it from happening). But, yes I have tried to keep my mouth shut as much as possible because I feel I (and others I know) have been "overlooked" on several occasions when doing task for Brownies.  Keep in mind, I have no way of knowing if that's actually happened or not, I just suspect it did on several occasions since we seemed to be overlooked after expressing opposing opinions on the forum or making some meme some considered anti-BitShares or just not on the same course as everyone else. Keep in mind that I'm a huge conspiracy buff. ;) 

Now on with my post, but first another disclaimer, lol ...

Man I really hate getting involved in conversations going down these paths but, dudes kind of got a point (I think) the more I read between the lines.

As an outside observer, it appears to me this is all about bytemaster being the Federal Reserve and issuing a fiat currency from thin air (Brownie.PTS).

So some people are being paid with this fiat currency (and some are) hoping to find someone willing to exchange their real money (BTS) for this currency printed from thin air at the whim of the Federal Reserve (bytemaster).

Even worse, this Federal Reserve Chairman (bytemaster) openly stated (for legal reasons or otherwise, no one knows) that he would/could take back Brownies from accounts he deemed were not pleasing him personally. His exact words are in a transcript my friend wrote, look it up if you like and know that my friend is no longer helping with transcripts because he stopped receiving Brownies for his task after making his bitLife comic or some comments on the forum that we assume were not pleasing to the Federal Reserve (bytemaster). ;)

So, not only can the Fed (bytemaster) take back the fiat currency (Brownie.PTS) he can also choose not to reward you for your work at his personal whim.  Even worse, you'll never find out until after you completed the work. I won't even get into the fact (well, more than this) that he has now delegated a new Fed chair (fuzzy) who can pass any blame for non-payment onto the IMF (now bytemaster). Sorry fuzzy, had to get that in because it's just the way it is. ;)

Now, how hard are you going to work knowing all of that?

Am I missing the point?

Did I just expose my true feelings and am never going to receive Brownie.PTS again for doing so?

Should I stop contributing to the ecosystem because I'm afraid after I put in many many hours I may never get "paid" in fiat currency (Brownie.PTS) or the IMF (bytemaster, Former Fed-chair) will remove them from my wallet while I'm sleeping?

And here's my last disclaimer ... I love Brownie.PTS!  But I have fundamental issues with them (see above).


see now THIS is exactly the kind of rational argument im willing to engage in man, you raise some really solid points about brownies that i agree with, i will follow up in the morning with a more detailed post for sure.
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2015, 10:25:46 am »
and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?

All I have to do is point at them  wrong 'facts' :)

so your saying that even though i disproved what you have to say about fees, that you cant prove your value to this community and your continuing to FUD, that all you have to do is point things out that are wrong? you dont see how ignorant this is? you dont think maybe you need to provide some kind of proof regarding the things you say like i have?

How did you manage to disprove that?????

You said UIA fees are real small.. smaller than bts one.


 and now you have proven it? How? When? How?
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 10:27:49 am by tonyk »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2015, 10:26:53 am »
and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?

All I have to do is point at them  wrong 'facts' :)

so your saying that even though i disproved what you have to say about fees, that you cant prove your value to this community and your continuing to FUD, that all you have to do is point things out that are wrong? you dont see how ignorant this is? you dont think maybe you need to provide some kind of proof regarding the things you say like i have?
How did you manage to disprove that?????

You said UIA fees are real small.. smaller than bts one.


 and now you have proven it? How? When? How?

you can pay for a uia transaction with uia, theirfore there is no bts fee for transacting uia.... theirfore the fee is smaller.... not hard to grasp pal...

and as i stated before im open the the possibility im wrong, despite having proven a transaction where i did just that

(https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381)

even if this is the case, ive still invalidated your argument, as your unwilling to even hear the reasons why a UIA is better to work with.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 10:30:14 am by kuro112 »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2015, 10:28:41 am »
and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?

All I have to do is point at them  wrong 'facts' :)

so your saying that even though i disproved what you have to say about fees, that you cant prove your value to this community and your continuing to FUD, that all you have to do is point things out that are wrong? you dont see how ignorant this is? you dont think maybe you need to provide some kind of proof regarding the things you say like i have?
How did you manage to disprove that?????

You said UIA fees are real small.. smaller than bts one.


 and now you have proven it? How? When? How?

you can pay for a uia transaction with uia, theirfore there is no bts fee for transacting uia.... theirfore the fee is smaller.... not hard to grasp pal...

keep that thought!
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2015, 10:31:06 am »
and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?

All I have to do is point at them  wrong 'facts' :)

so your saying that even though i disproved what you have to say about fees, that you cant prove your value to this community and your continuing to FUD, that all you have to do is point things out that are wrong? you dont see how ignorant this is? you dont think maybe you need to provide some kind of proof regarding the things you say like i have?
How did you manage to disprove that?????

You said UIA fees are real small.. smaller than bts one.


 and now you have proven it? How? When? How?

you can pay for a uia transaction with uia, theirfore there is no bts fee for transacting uia.... theirfore the fee is smaller.... not hard to grasp pal...

keep that thought!

nice FUD, let us know when you can join a mumble chat for a non fud related discussion on this topic, we would love to change your mind!
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2015, 10:39:23 am »
Well, we all know fuzz can provide unlimited supply of cocky, somewhat mindless, but fast typing 13 year olds, like you.


after all he spent the first 35 of his life more or less building *guilds*

Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2015, 10:40:51 am »

Well, we all know fuzz can provide unlimited supply of cocky somewhat mindless, but fast typing 13 year olds, like you.


after all he spent the first 35 of his life more or less building *guilds*

there go the insults again, ive done nothing but say good things about you and wanting to work with you, im sorry that my typing skills and rational thinking scare you pal.

nice FUD bro, anything constructive to add to this community?

were in mumble any time you want to sit down with us and chat, something you seem increasingly scared to do :)
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2015, 10:47:24 am »

Well, we all know fuzz can provide unlimited supply of cocky somewhat mindless, but fast typing 13 year olds, like you.


after all he spent the first 35 of his life more or less building *guilds*

there go the insults again, ive done nothing but say good things about you and wanting to work with you, im sorry that my typing skills and rational thinking scare you pal.

nice FUD bro, anything constructive to add to this community?

were in mumble any time you want to sit down with us and chat, something you seem increasingly scared to do :)

well I gave kudos where kudos where due - aka fast typing

on he rational thing part...I have my doubts :)

no offence ...just self labeling as smart is kind of... not smart.
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2015, 10:51:43 am »

Well, we all know fuzz can provide unlimited supply of cocky somewhat mindless, but fast typing 13 year olds, like you.


after all he spent the first 35 of his life more or less building *guilds*

there go the insults again, ive done nothing but say good things about you and wanting to work with you, im sorry that my typing skills and rational thinking scare you pal.

nice FUD bro, anything constructive to add to this community?

were in mumble any time you want to sit down with us and chat, something you seem increasingly scared to do :)

well I gave kudos where kudos where due - aka fast typing

on he rational thing part...I have my doubts :)

no offence ...just self labeling as smart is kind of... not smart.

never once said i was smart, i said my thinking is rational in comparison to yours, i think anyone can read my lack of grammar and spelling, and judge for themselves my intelligence level... your trying really hard to make this about anything but yourself, you still havent given any responses to the various questions asked of you, you just deflect, insult and FUD...

im still waiting to hear the optimal time to sit down with you in mumble?
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2015, 10:56:34 am »
whatever dude...if fuzzy is on your side you can spam this forum forever with 500 posts daily, as you manage to do even before launching your thingy.


And for the attempt of making me the bad guy - no need. 99% are already  convinced, so useless effort there.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 10:58:19 am by tonyk »
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2015, 10:59:04 am »

whatever dude...if fuzzy is on your side you can spam this forum forever with 500 posts daily, as you manage to do even before launching you thingy.


And for the attempt of making me the bad guy - no need. 99% already are convinced so useless effort there.

im not trying to make you a bad guy, your the one going around FUDING !?!?

seriously im sitting here trying to bring you into our efforts and explain what were doing, im not even spamming, im posting rational, creative arguments...

your posts are about 1/4th my word content and im the one spamming? really dude?

grow up man, i just wanted to invite you to a mumble where we can chat like adults, y u gotta degrade this into insults and badguys...

let me know when u can sit down in mumble with us buddy.
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« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2015, 11:08:45 am »

why don't you simply  given up on bringing me into something I clearly find useless destructive.... and other unfavorable terms?






your posts are about 1/4th my word content and im the one spamming? really dude?

Any idea what this means? how my posts can be part of his word content?
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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2015, 11:11:41 am »

why don't you simply  given up on bringing me into something I clearly find useless destructive.... and other unfavorable terms?






your posts are about 1/4th my word content and im the one spamming? really dude?

Any idea what this means? how my posts can be part of his word content?

really starting to think you dont speak english,

first of all, i wont give up on you, the fact that you refuse to come join us tells me (and everyone else) that you cant actually back up your arguments,
are you so intimidated by us that your not even willing to try?

secondly, my point was that i type about 3x the words than you, and yet you accuse me of spamming? shall i have the tipbot reply to this post with an actual wordcount of our posts in this thread? i bet it says your the one spamming FUD and im the one actually posting on a forum correctly :)
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« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2015, 02:51:51 pm »
see now THIS is exactly the kind of rational argument im willing to engage in man, you raise some really solid points about brownies that i agree with, i will follow up in the morning with a more detailed post for sure.


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Re: UIA fees
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2015, 05:41:50 pm »
oh crap forgot about this post haha.

to address the concerns ill start by quoting them

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Disclaimer: My first reaction to Brownie.PTS being announced was sort of like ... "WTF! You can take them away if you don't like what I have to say?!!!".  I did not like that aspect of them, but was assured that would not happen (I think, but I have no way of stopping it from happening). But, yes I have tried to keep my mouth shut as much as possible because I feel I (and others I know) have been "overlooked" on several occasions when doing task for Brownies.  Keep in mind, I have no way of knowing if that's actually happened or not, I just suspect it did on several occasions since we seemed to be overlooked after expressing opposing opinions on the forum or making some meme some considered anti-BitShares or just not on the same course as everyone else. Keep in mind that I'm a huge conspiracy buff. ;) 

Now on with my post, but first another disclaimer, lol ...

Man I really hate getting involved in conversations going down these paths but, dudes kind of got a point (I think) the more I read between the lines.

As an outside observer, it appears to me this is all about bytemaster being the Federal Reserve and issuing a fiat currency from thin air (Brownie.PTS).

So some people are being paid with this fiat currency (and some are) hoping to find someone willing to exchange their real money (BTS) for this currency printed from thin air at the whim of the Federal Reserve (bytemaster).

Even worse, this Federal Reserve Chairman (bytemaster) openly stated (for legal reasons or otherwise, no one knows) that he would/could take back Brownies from accounts he deemed were not pleasing him personally. His exact words are in a transcript my friend wrote, look it up if you like and know that my friend is no longer helping with transcripts because he stopped receiving Brownies for his task after making his bitLife comic or some comments on the forum that we assume were not pleasing to the Federal Reserve (bytemaster). ;)

So, not only can the Fed (bytemaster) take back the fiat currency (Brownie.PTS) he can also choose not to reward you for your work at his personal whim.  Even worse, you'll never find out until after you completed the work. I won't even get into the fact (well, more than this) that he has now delegated a new Fed chair (fuzzy) who can pass any blame for non-payment onto the IMF (now bytemaster). Sorry fuzzy, had to get that in because it's just the way it is. ;)

Now, how hard are you going to work knowing all of that?

Am I missing the point?

Did I just expose my true feelings and am never going to receive Brownie.PTS again for doing so?

Should I stop contributing to the ecosystem because I'm afraid after I put in many many hours I may never get "paid" in fiat currency (Brownie.PTS) or the IMF (bytemaster, Former Fed-chair) will remove them from my wallet while I'm sleeping?

And here's my last disclaimer ... I love Brownie.PTS!  But I have fundamental issues with them (see above).


this argument hinges on one key concept, holding brownies - personally i do hold some, but any brownies i buy or am given for my work i will liquidate instantly, in fact some of the key features of our upcoming software releases are geared toward liquidating UIA quickly and easily, and increasing their market opportunity's... overall you should not be spooked by the concept of your fiat currency being revoked the the federal reserve if that currency is simply a transport for your real currency transactions... this is the path i advocate for brownies, it may not be the best, but i think it will work.
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