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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2016, 08:04:51 am »
well from what im hearing in the background they have moved to ethereum.  if this is untrue id hope someone from their team would tell us so.

I would be shocked if anyone from their team told you anything.  Ever.

well if it is true, ethereum just bagged a group of coders who can help them significantly in attempting to steal our tech in a way that doesnt cause any problems with intellectual property. 

but i am not 100% certain. i only heard it through the grapevine.

I don't really understand . Is there  intellectual property stuff under the current licence of Graphene ? Last time I heard they gave up that demand .
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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2016, 08:20:34 am »
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I would love an update about what play is planning.  I don't think they should have to do a mumble though.  Especially if none of them feel comfortable speaking english.

If btswildpig is any indication of the play devs opinion of bts, it isn't good.  he seems convinced that BM is a thief.

Regarding the "thief" question , I'm sure you must speak a different set of English than I used to . Everybody knows BM acted in the way that he thought was necessary , and I question his tactics based on how I was educated/experienced, especially in the crypto field, that his tactics are simply not possible to last for a long time  . It's nothing new though , I said it a year ago that dilution is not real money , that's my constant belief and educated guess .  I'm simple reminding this community that there are basic and fundamental principles regarding market . Start-ups don't have "secondary market" as their only income source, no matter how many attempt to get so-called "real-users" , the up and downs is and always will be decided by the secondary market and the capital in it . Because , again , unlike real company , we don't have fixed cost/fixed income department , imaging -----when BM brought 10000 users in by his magical dilution development work  ,they created 100000 USD buy pressure(highly unlikely ) , and then BM or other whale see the huge buy order coming up and sold 300000 USD worth of BTS because they want to pay tax/buy boat/whatever , is this "company" profiting or losing money ? You can't tell , could you ? That's why I said I've always said real users could not drive marketcap , because it doesn't work that way with market cap .

Sometimes I'm just too tired to repeat some basic and simple princicple regarding second market that everybody should've known a long time ago . Call me fudster for telling the common sense for all I care  :P


And second of all , I'm just a community member regarding DACPLAY now . I have no role that could branded me their "indication" .

Thanks for clarifying btswildpig.  I really was not trying to talk trash.  I have gotten the impression that you believe that BM has set up bitshares as his personal piggy bank to be raided whenever he feels like it.  To me that would be a thief. 

If instead you believe that BM has made mistakes that have hurt bitshares, but that he was not trying to rip us off then I was mistaken.

I apologize for that.

As far as not knowing if you were still, or ever involved in dacplay, the whole point of my comment was that none of us know anything about dacplay.  I am still a delegate on the dacplay chain.  Only missed 12 blocks too.  I have no idea what is going on with it though.  Should I still be spending that $20 a month to keep the server up?  I have no problem paying $20 a month to help support dacplay til the end of time, as long as it is needed and its going somewhere. 

Anyways thanks for responding, and I am sorry if I mis-characterized your opinion of BM.

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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2016, 08:32:23 am »
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I would love an update about what play is planning.  I don't think they should have to do a mumble though.  Especially if none of them feel comfortable speaking english.

If btswildpig is any indication of the play devs opinion of bts, it isn't good.  he seems convinced that BM is a thief.

Regarding the "thief" question , I'm sure you must speak a different set of English than I used to . Everybody knows BM acted in the way that he thought was necessary , and I question his tactics based on how I was educated/experienced, especially in the crypto field, that his tactics are simply not possible to last for a long time  . It's nothing new though , I said it a year ago that dilution is not real money , that's my constant belief and educated guess .  I'm simple reminding this community that there are basic and fundamental principles regarding market . Start-ups don't have "secondary market" as their only income source, no matter how many attempt to get so-called "real-users" , the up and downs is and always will be decided by the secondary market and the capital in it . Because , again , unlike real company , we don't have fixed cost/fixed income department , imaging -----when BM brought 10000 users in by his magical dilution development work  ,they created 100000 USD buy pressure(highly unlikely ) , and then BM or other whale see the huge buy order coming up and sold 300000 USD worth of BTS because they want to pay tax/buy boat/whatever , is this "company" profiting or losing money ? You can't tell , could you ? That's why I said I've always said real users could not drive marketcap , because it doesn't work that way with market cap .

Sometimes I'm just too tired to repeat some basic and simple princicple regarding second market that everybody should've known a long time ago . Call me fudster for telling the common sense for all I care  :P


And second of all , I'm just a community member regarding DACPLAY now . I have no role that could branded me their "indication" .

Thanks for clarifying btswildpig.  I really was not trying to talk trash.  I have gotten the impression that you believe that BM has set up bitshares as his personal piggy bank to be raided whenever he feels like it.  To me that would be a thief. 

If instead you believe that BM has made mistakes that have hurt bitshares, but that he was not trying to rip us off then I was mistaken.

I apologize for that.

As far as not knowing if you were still, or ever involved in dacplay, the whole point of my comment was that none of us know anything about dacplay.  I am still a delegate on the dacplay chain.  Only missed 12 blocks too.  I have no idea what is going on with it though.  Should I still be spending that $20 a month to keep the server up?  I have no problem paying $20 a month to help support dacplay til the end of time, as long as it is needed and its going somewhere. 

Anyways thanks for responding, and I am sorry if I mis-characterized your opinion of BM.


https://github.com/bitsuperlab   

I don't know much about programming . But it seems to me they've been working on the old-code and graphene code at the same time .
And they've just won the Shanghai blockchain hackaton with Graphene based random number generator (10000USD reward) . 

Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .
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Re: PLAY & MUSE Hangout/Q&A (Petition--Sign if interested)
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2016, 01:19:25 pm »
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I would love an update about what play is planning.  I don't think they should have to do a mumble though.  Especially if none of them feel comfortable speaking english.

If btswildpig is any indication of the play devs opinion of bts, it isn't good.  he seems convinced that BM is a thief.

Regarding the "thief" question , I'm sure you must speak a different set of English than I used to . Everybody knows BM acted in the way that he thought was necessary , and I question his tactics based on how I was educated/experienced, especially in the crypto field, that his tactics are simply not possible to last for a long time  . It's nothing new though , I said it a year ago that dilution is not real money , that's my constant belief and educated guess .  I'm simple reminding this community that there are basic and fundamental principles regarding market . Start-ups don't have "secondary market" as their only income source, no matter how many attempt to get so-called "real-users" , the up and downs is and always will be decided by the secondary market and the capital in it . Because , again , unlike real company , we don't have fixed cost/fixed income department , imaging -----when BM brought 10000 users in by his magical dilution development work  ,they created 100000 USD buy pressure(highly unlikely ) , and then BM or other whale see the huge buy order coming up and sold 300000 USD worth of BTS because they want to pay tax/buy boat/whatever , is this "company" profiting or losing money ? You can't tell , could you ? That's why I said I've always said real users could not drive marketcap , because it doesn't work that way with market cap .

Sometimes I'm just too tired to repeat some basic and simple princicple regarding second market that everybody should've known a long time ago . Call me fudster for telling the common sense for all I care 


And second of all , I'm just a community member regarding DACPLAY now . I have no role that could branded me their "indication" .

Thanks for clarifying btswildpig.  I really was not trying to talk trash.  I have gotten the impression that you believe that BM has set up bitshares as his personal piggy bank to be raided whenever he feels like it.  To me that would be a thief. 

If instead you believe that BM has made mistakes that have hurt bitshares, but that he was not trying to rip us off then I was mistaken.

I apologize for that.

As far as not knowing if you were still, or ever involved in dacplay, the whole point of my comment was that none of us know anything about dacplay.  I am still a delegate on the dacplay chain.  Only missed 12 blocks too.  I have no idea what is going on with it though.  Should I still be spending that $20 a month to keep the server up?  I have no problem paying $20 a month to help support dacplay til the end of time, as long as it is needed and its going somewhere. 

Anyways thanks for responding, and I am sorry if I mis-characterized your opinion of BM.


https://github.com/bitsuperlab   

I don't know much about programming . But it seems to me they've been working on the old-code and graphene code at the same time .
And they've just won the Shanghai blockchain hackaton with Graphene based random number generator (10000USD reward) . 

Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .
That was eth based blockchain hackathon . Isn't that?
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Re: PLAY & MUSE Hangout/Q&A (Petition--Sign if interested)
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2016, 01:22:11 pm »
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I would love an update about what play is planning.  I don't think they should have to do a mumble though.  Especially if none of them feel comfortable speaking english.

If btswildpig is any indication of the play devs opinion of bts, it isn't good.  he seems convinced that BM is a thief.

Regarding the "thief" question , I'm sure you must speak a different set of English than I used to . Everybody knows BM acted in the way that he thought was necessary , and I question his tactics based on how I was educated/experienced, especially in the crypto field, that his tactics are simply not possible to last for a long time  . It's nothing new though , I said it a year ago that dilution is not real money , that's my constant belief and educated guess .  I'm simple reminding this community that there are basic and fundamental principles regarding market . Start-ups don't have "secondary market" as their only income source, no matter how many attempt to get so-called "real-users" , the up and downs is and always will be decided by the secondary market and the capital in it . Because , again , unlike real company , we don't have fixed cost/fixed income department , imaging -----when BM brought 10000 users in by his magical dilution development work  ,they created 100000 USD buy pressure(highly unlikely ) , and then BM or other whale see the huge buy order coming up and sold 300000 USD worth of BTS because they want to pay tax/buy boat/whatever , is this "company" profiting or losing money ? You can't tell , could you ? That's why I said I've always said real users could not drive marketcap , because it doesn't work that way with market cap .

Sometimes I'm just too tired to repeat some basic and simple princicple regarding second market that everybody should've known a long time ago . Call me fudster for telling the common sense for all I care 


And second of all , I'm just a community member regarding DACPLAY now . I have no role that could branded me their "indication" .

Thanks for clarifying btswildpig.  I really was not trying to talk trash.  I have gotten the impression that you believe that BM has set up bitshares as his personal piggy bank to be raided whenever he feels like it.  To me that would be a thief. 

If instead you believe that BM has made mistakes that have hurt bitshares, but that he was not trying to rip us off then I was mistaken.

I apologize for that.

As far as not knowing if you were still, or ever involved in dacplay, the whole point of my comment was that none of us know anything about dacplay.  I am still a delegate on the dacplay chain.  Only missed 12 blocks too.  I have no idea what is going on with it though.  Should I still be spending that $20 a month to keep the server up?  I have no problem paying $20 a month to help support dacplay til the end of time, as long as it is needed and its going somewhere. 

Anyways thanks for responding, and I am sorry if I mis-characterized your opinion of BM.


https://github.com/bitsuperlab   

I don't know much about programming . But it seems to me they've been working on the old-code and graphene code at the same time .
And they've just won the Shanghai blockchain hackaton with Graphene based random number generator (10000USD reward) . 

Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .
That was eth based blockchain hackathon . Isn't that?


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Re: PLAY & MUSE Hangout/Q&A (Petition--Sign if interested)
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2016, 02:01:04 pm »
For those that don't know... Graphene does NOT have a random number generator. So they may very well just be prototyping on ethereum
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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2016, 02:35:30 pm »
For those that don't know... Graphene does NOT have a random number generator. So they may very well just be prototyping on ethereum

http://www.blockchainlabs.org/hackathon/view.php
No.8 there is a intro of the platform , and there is a github address https://github.com/clar/graphene

maybe it's may bad english . They made a "random number generator "  that use graphene as the platform , not "a system based on Graphene's random number generator"

This was the news on BTC38 http://www.btc38.com/btc/altgeneral/9230.html  I think automatic translation could get the rough idea , or not , because there is several english word there you might be familiar with ...
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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2016, 02:52:50 pm »
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I would love an update about what play is planning.  I don't think they should have to do a mumble though.  Especially if none of them feel comfortable speaking english.

If btswildpig is any indication of the play devs opinion of bts, it isn't good.  he seems convinced that BM is a thief.

Regarding the "thief" question , I'm sure you must speak a different set of English than I used to . Everybody knows BM acted in the way that he thought was necessary , and I question his tactics based on how I was educated/experienced, especially in the crypto field, that his tactics are simply not possible to last for a long time  . It's nothing new though , I said it a year ago that dilution is not real money , that's my constant belief and educated guess .  I'm simple reminding this community that there are basic and fundamental principles regarding market . Start-ups don't have "secondary market" as their only income source, no matter how many attempt to get so-called "real-users" , the up and downs is and always will be decided by the secondary market and the capital in it . Because , again , unlike real company , we don't have fixed cost/fixed income department , imaging -----when BM brought 10000 users in by his magical dilution development work  ,they created 100000 USD buy pressure(highly unlikely ) , and then BM or other whale see the huge buy order coming up and sold 300000 USD worth of BTS because they want to pay tax/buy boat/whatever , is this "company" profiting or losing money ? You can't tell , could you ? That's why I said I've always said real users could not drive marketcap , because it doesn't work that way with market cap .

Sometimes I'm just too tired to repeat some basic and simple princicple regarding second market that everybody should've known a long time ago . Call me fudster for telling the common sense for all I care 


And second of all , I'm just a community member regarding DACPLAY now . I have no role that could branded me their "indication" .

Thanks for clarifying btswildpig.  I really was not trying to talk trash.  I have gotten the impression that you believe that BM has set up bitshares as his personal piggy bank to be raided whenever he feels like it.  To me that would be a thief. 

If instead you believe that BM has made mistakes that have hurt bitshares, but that he was not trying to rip us off then I was mistaken.

I apologize for that.

As far as not knowing if you were still, or ever involved in dacplay, the whole point of my comment was that none of us know anything about dacplay.  I am still a delegate on the dacplay chain.  Only missed 12 blocks too.  I have no idea what is going on with it though.  Should I still be spending that $20 a month to keep the server up?  I have no problem paying $20 a month to help support dacplay til the end of time, as long as it is needed and its going somewhere. 

Anyways thanks for responding, and I am sorry if I mis-characterized your opinion of BM.


https://github.com/bitsuperlab   

I don't know much about programming . But it seems to me they've been working on the old-code and graphene code at the same time .
And they've just won the Shanghai blockchain hackaton with Graphene based random number generator (10000USD reward) . 

Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .
That was eth based blockchain hackathon . Isn't that?

I don't think that's the case since there was a project based on Factom also won the prize . Unless Factom is another name of Ethereum .....
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Re: PLAY & MUSE Hangout/Q&A (Petition--Sign if interested)
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2016, 04:06:17 pm »
Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .

Yes people forget easily.  And things change easily.  And when there is basically no response from people asking questions (I know I have reached out regarding hangouts on many occasions---and I am sure you are busy, but it is impossible to blame people for speculating when there are very few responses when questions are asked).  It is just another kind of pr blunder. 

So I guess I will invite you guys to join us for an hour someday and chat with the community.  If you guys want to join and explain to the community some of the stuff going on behind the scenes it would potentially not only be helpful to the community---but the PLAY project too. 

So was there any press from this event where the graphene based rng was recognized as part of bitshares' technology?  Or was it labeled as something that is part of ethereum?  It is only right to give credit to the people who paid for graphene to be built...and those who actually built it (your coders among them since they seemed to have added functionality). 
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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2016, 04:45:30 pm »
Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .

Yes people forget easily.  And things change easily.  And when there is basically no response from people asking questions (I know I have reached out regarding hangouts on many occasions---and I am sure you are busy, but it is impossible to blame people for speculating when there are very few responses when questions are asked).  It is just another kind of pr blunder. 

So I guess I will invite you guys to join us for an hour someday and chat with the community.  If you guys want to join and explain to the community some of the stuff going on behind the scenes it would potentially not only be helpful to the community---but the PLAY project too. 

So was there any press from this event where the graphene based rng was recognized as part of bitshares' technology?  Or was it labeled as something that is part of ethereum?  It is only right to give credit to the people who paid for graphene to be built...and those who actually built it (your coders among them since they seemed to have added functionality).

This was the news on BTC38 http://www.btc38.com/btc/altgeneral/9230.html  that could answer all your question even with google translation .
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Re: PLAY & MUSE Hangout/Q&A (Petition--Sign if interested)
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2016, 10:12:15 pm »
Hmm....that's the news on January,2016.. Maybe everybody have forgotten that .

Yes people forget easily.  And things change easily.  And when there is basically no response from people asking questions (I know I have reached out regarding hangouts on many occasions---and I am sure you are busy, but it is impossible to blame people for speculating when there are very few responses when questions are asked).  It is just another kind of pr blunder. 

So I guess I will invite you guys to join us for an hour someday and chat with the community.  If you guys want to join and explain to the community some of the stuff going on behind the scenes it would potentially not only be helpful to the community---but the PLAY project too. 

So was there any press from this event where the graphene based rng was recognized as part of bitshares' technology?  Or was it labeled as something that is part of ethereum?  It is only right to give credit to the people who paid for graphene to be built...and those who actually built it (your coders among them since they seemed to have added functionality).

This was the news on BTC38 http://www.btc38.com/btc/altgeneral/9230.html  that could answer all your question even with google translation .

this certainly helps, but can you honestly say that the community shouldnt have been concerned?  dont get me wrong and please dont this this is an attack. im simply saying it isnt easy to get updates from the people many here donated to. like ive said multiples times...this was brought up to me by other community members. 

Dacplay is part of the bitshares family.  when you do t hear from family in a long time and a couple friends  ask if your family is ok...do you not worry about them?
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« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2016, 11:47:58 pm »
 +5% Fuzzy. I've already spent enough mental capital expressing my frustration with Peertracks (thanks Cob for stepping up) to even begin expressing how disappointed I am with how Play communicates with investors. Have them take a look at a project like Augur and then come back to me that this is acceptable. Amazing how fast communication drops when they have the investor money.

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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2016, 12:46:55 am »
+5% Fuzzy. I've already spent enough mental capital expressing my frustration with Peertracks (thanks Cob for stepping up) to even begin expressing how disappointed I am with how Play communicates with investors. Have them take a look at a project like Augur and then come back to me that this is acceptable. Amazing how fast communication drops when they have the investor money.

Fuzzy, keep doing your thing.


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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2016, 12:15:28 pm »
bit late but signing the partition anyway, would be great to hear some news from PLAY and MUSE

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