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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2016, 03:00:52 pm »
my proposal do not cost BTS, while yours will cost a lot.
Not true.
Your proposal will have these costs:
- lost revenue for the network
- irreparable damage to the business environment around BitShares
- irreparable damage to BitShares reputation (lack of stable rules)
- people who have bought LTM will be rightly upset

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2016, 03:02:21 pm »
I don‘t get it.

Someone wants us to pay for 300K just to lower the fee while we can just vote down and cost nothing?
Yes, you're right. You don't get it.

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2016, 03:02:44 pm »
I hope you do not announce it in recent days,  if you announce it today I can only reject it, no other choice.
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And what is the reason for you having no choice?

because I plan to propose to do the real fee reduction to 1 BTS if I get enough support from forum.
so it will be better to announce your worker proposal after I finished this issue, either fail or succeed finally.
my proposal do not cost BTS, while yours will cost a lot.

Why do you continue to push for fees that are below our costs?  This is very irresponsible.  Also, even a flat fee at our cost would effectively kill the referral program.  If you succeed, that would be the second time you pushed your agenda through a back door.  That is terrible behavior.  You need to be stopped and removed from the committee.

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2016, 03:02:56 pm »
of couse low fee could bring us more liquility than high fee.
you even doubt this?
I have no idea about this duscussion
The crucial thing here is: how much more?
Yes, I doubt that it will change liquidity by more than 5%.
If you think otherwise, you need to prove it somehow, so that we have some rational basis to assume it's worth destroying the referral business incentive.
nobody can tell you the exactely numuber
and I have no interesting for destroy the referral business totally.
like stan had said, you need to think bigger, don't focus on the poor transfer/trade fees
referral business can work perfect with low trade/transfer fees, just think other more special service, take money from those service.

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2016, 03:07:19 pm »
If you succeed, that would be the second time you pushed your agenda through a back door.  That is terrible behavior.  You need to be stopped and removed from the committee.

This. bitcrab is using exchange funds to get people with his 'agenda' voted into the committee and is now staging to do a hostile takeover.  Not to mention that the committee was mislead by him once already, I really hope that users wake up and remove bad actors like him for the stability of the network. This is not good.
Please consider voting for my witness mindphlux.witness and my committee user mindphlux. I will not vote for changes that affect witness pay.

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #80 on: January 28, 2016, 03:07:45 pm »
I hope you do not announce it in recent days,  if you announce it today I can only reject it, no other choice.
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And what is the reason for you having no choice?

because I plan to propose to do the real fee reduction to 1 BTS if I get enough support from forum.
so it will be better to announce your worker proposal after I finished this issue, either fail or succeed finally.
my proposal do not cost BTS, while yours will cost a lot.

Why do you continue to push for fees that are below our costs?  This is very irresponsible.  Also, even a flat fee at our cost would effectively kill the referral program.  If you succeed, that would be the second time you pushed your agenda through a back door.  That is terrible behavior.  You need to be stopped and removed from the committee.

why? just because a few people think this is not something you like?
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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #81 on: January 28, 2016, 03:08:29 pm »
I don‘t get it.

Someone wants us to pay for 300K just to lower the fee while we can just vote down and cost nothing?
Yes, you're right. You don't get it.

Oh,now I get it! The baby who are good at crying  can get more milk.

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #82 on: January 28, 2016, 03:08:49 pm »
of couse low fee could bring us more liquility than high fee.
you even doubt this?
I have no idea about this duscussion

Lower fees will bring more liquidity, but only to a point.  After that point, you gain nothing in liquidity and only reduce income by having lower fees.  You have NOT shown that you have the slightest clue where that point is.  So the only guarantee is that we will reduce income.  That is a fact.  Do you get it?  Probably not.

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #83 on: January 28, 2016, 03:13:59 pm »
of couse low fee could bring us more liquility than high fee.
you even doubt this?
I have no idea about this duscussion

Lower fees will bring more liquidity, but only to a point.  After that point, you gain nothing in liquidity and only reduce income by having lower fees.  You have NOT shown that you have the slightest clue where that point is.  So the only guarantee is that we will reduce income.  That is a fact.  Do you get it?  Probably not.

you need to think it bigger, pink

temporary no income doesn't mean no income. a lot of corporations attract plenty of users through free services at early stage.
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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #84 on: January 28, 2016, 03:16:16 pm »
of couse low fee could bring us more liquility than high fee.
you even doubt this?
I have no idea about this duscussion
The crucial thing here is: how much more?
Yes, I doubt that it will change liquidity by more than 5%.
If you think otherwise, you need to prove it somehow, so that we have some rational basis to assume it's worth destroying the referral business incentive.
nobody can tell you the exactely numuber
and I have no interesting for destroy the referral business totally.
like stan had said, you need to think bigger, don't focus on the poor transfer/trade fees
referral business can work perfect with low trade/transfer fees, just think other more special service, take money from those service.

alt, I do believe your intention are good.
But can you honestly say you are sure that lowering transfer fees to 1 BTS will make a significant change?
Would you honestly be willing to lose people like Ronny (the owner of OpenLedger), just to execute this experiment and find out that nothing has changed?

The current transfer fees, most probably, are not the primary reason for low user adoption and low liquidity.
We need to remove the primary reason first. Then we can revise the fees.

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #85 on: January 28, 2016, 03:17:05 pm »
I hope you do not announce it in recent days,  if you announce it today I can only reject it, no other choice.
[member=23]bitcrab[/member]
And what is the reason for you having no choice?



because I plan to propose to do the real fee reduction to 1 BTS if I get enough support from forum.
so it will be better to announce your worker proposal after I finished this issue, either fail or succeed finally.
my proposal do not cost BTS, while yours will cost a lot.

Why do you continue to push for fees that are below our costs?  This is very irresponsible.  Also, even a flat fee at our cost would effectively kill the referral program.  If you succeed, that would be the second time you pushed your agenda through a back door.  That is terrible behavior.  You need to be stopped and removed from the committee.

why? just because a few people think this is not something you like?

You ask why?  Should I explain it to you like you're 5?  bitcrab is arguing to have a flat fee that is LESS than the cost to the network, and LESS than the spam deterrent.  He wants us to lose money on transfers, and he doesn't mind opening up an attack vector.  Do you think that is responsible behavior?

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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #86 on: January 28, 2016, 03:18:07 pm »
we should create produce that user like .
the low price of bts show user do not like this product with high fee , user like lower fee ,
they are so many stupid man ,
do you know why market cap of doge coin is 4 times of bts .
clear-headed  please .
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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #87 on: January 28, 2016, 03:19:43 pm »
ftw ... pay users 10 BTS for every transfer = even m0ar users!
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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #88 on: January 28, 2016, 03:20:29 pm »
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Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« Reply #89 on: January 28, 2016, 03:20:53 pm »
I hope you do not announce it in recent days,  if you announce it today I can only reject it, no other choice.
[member=23]bitcrab[/member]
And what is the reason for you having no choice?



because I plan to propose to do the real fee reduction to 1 BTS if I get enough support from forum.
so it will be better to announce your worker proposal after I finished this issue, either fail or succeed finally.
my proposal do not cost BTS, while yours will cost a lot.

Why do you continue to push for fees that are below our costs?  This is very irresponsible.  Also, even a flat fee at our cost would effectively kill the referral program.  If you succeed, that would be the second time you pushed your agenda through a back door.  That is terrible behavior.  You need to be stopped and removed from the committee.

why? just because a few people think this is not something you like?

You ask why?  Should I explain it to you like you're 5?  bitcrab is arguing to have a flat fee that is LESS than the cost to the network, and LESS than the spam deterrent.  He wants us to lose money on transfers, and he doesn't mind opening up an attack vector.  Do you think that is responsible behavior?

yes, because currently I do think lowering the fees is the right way to lead bitshares to success.
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