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« Reply #225 on: July 18, 2016, 06:06:13 am »
No abrupt pivot in focus.  Dan has been transparently discussing ways to stay in business since last fall.
This has been part of the plan for six months and everyone here has been kept in the loop every step of the way.
Read my posts since March 14th, here and on Steemit if you don't want to be caught by surprise.

Stan - thank you for your response. I've now invested the necessary time to go back through your posts as well as Dan's over the past six months as recommended. I have also investigated Steemit as thoroughly as possible, though I don't use Facebook, Twitter etc. so the social media thing is a little above my paygrade.

To be frank, what I found was disappointing.

Steemit was announced 01-April (current thread) and Dan's last post was 02-May. Cold turkey, nothing since. After years of engagement with this community and nearly 10,000 posts authored I think it is reasonable to call Dan's pivot abrupt in the extreme.

I agree there is a lot of good commentary on the need to raise capital and the community was made aware that new sources of funding are needed. However, at no point do I see "Dan will be shelving Bitshares on 02-May to focus on Steemit; here is the handoff strategy; here is the roadmap". Nor do I see a commitment or any indication that funds raised through Steemit will be used to further development of Bitshares.

Now, Steemit. As an investor I want to invest - the execution is incredible and the platform has real potential as The Next Big Thing, and not just in the crypto space. Dan is a brilliant developer/programmer/strategist/creator and Steemit is his finest work to date. It is going to take me a while to wrap my head around the possibilities the platform offers, but at first blush it appears to be the killer app for crypto.  Steemit may well bring crypto to the masses.

As an AGS/PTS investor I am livid. Apoplectic. Here's what I see:

Steem = Bitshares

Steem dollars = bitUSD

Steem power =  +5% (yield)

Steemit is the best of Bitshares packaged with a big social media bow on top. The back-end tech that makes Steemit such an incredibly user friendly and accessible crypto platform was built for Bitshares and funded by AGS/PTS. There is no world in which Steemit exists without AGS/PTS investment and the dedication and hardwork of the Bitshares community.

This is where I would pull Dan into my office, tell him to look me in the eye, and ask him to explain why AGS/PTS/Brownies have not received a share drop. I am truly stunned that there is not even a blog post on the topic. Dan would not be where he is today without the investment and support of this community.

"There were posts, you could have mined, you were invited." "The developers do not owe you and you are not entitled". This is mildly insulting. There are dozens of exciting projects related to Bitshares and it is unreasonable/impractical to expect investors to follow all projects and participate in all ICO/pre-mines. The AGS/PTS 'social contract' was created specifically to address this issue - and we all invested so we would not need to chase ICOs/pre-mines and could instead participate in future projects via share drop.

Why are there not pitchforks and torches in the streets? Why are the lead devs and forum heroes not demanding answers? It appears the majority of the core Bitshares dev team have become very enthusiastic Steemit "dolphins" and "whales" over the past few weeks.  It is absolutely fantastic to see some of our most dedicated, hard working community members hit the 1000% crypto ride we've all been chasing. But a very small percentage of the overall community has benefited.

There is a mailing list. Why was there not an email sent out? Why so little outreach? For something as critical as the lead dev pivoting to another project a clear, concise letter to the community would have been appropriate. Sometime in mid-March: "Dear investor, starting in May, Dan is going to park Bitshares for the foreseeable future and focus on developing Steemit. Steemit uses all of the good things that were built for Bitshares, but is packaged for the majority of internet users (social media) rather than a minority of internet users (investors/finance). There will be no share drop on AGS/PTS/Brownies and investment is via pre-mine only. Here is the road map for the next 12 months." Guidance and forward-looking statements would have resulted in a larger percentage of the community benefiting.

So where do we go from here? Like it or not, there is no recourse with a social contract except an appeal to honor and justice. I believe this writing serves as an appeal, and I would ask Dan to respond in full. Dan is presumably preoccupied with whomever keeps taking down steemit.com so I don't expect a response in the immediate future.

That being the case, I've been investing long enough to know that we all need to be long Steem Power asap. The train has left the station and many of us don't have a ticket.

The Steem market is far too thin to take a position OTC, I've been trading Bittrex over the past few days and the slippage is absurd. This is intentional, and kudos to Dan and team for absolutely destroying CMC. We were all choked when Ripple gamed CMC and knocked us down, couldn't be happier to see karma kicking ass. But it means we can't dump BTS for STEEM in any quantity. Dealing with the clowns daytrading on Bittrex is very, very stale. Try placing a bid for a block of 5 or 10k STEEM and see what happens.

I don't do social media - at all - but will register an account, post content and lobby the Bitshares dophins/whales to 'upvote. I strongly believe Steem Power to be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and all community members should make an effort to get a position by whatever means necessary. Unfortunately, my initial investigation into Steemit 'mining' has left the distinct impression that value seems to flow to makeup tutorials, travelogues, breasts. I do not use make up, do not travel to exotic places in provocative clothing and do not possess attractive breasts. Absent some benevolent whale voters, it seems most of us will be 'mining' with a CPU and competing against ASICs. I found it surprising that there is so much exceptional material posted where the authors have clearly invested substantial effort in producing meaningful, well written content... and earned only a few dollars or nothing at all. Yet a man smearing lipstick on his face was rewarded with thousands. Early days, but wow, it's surprising how the 'block rewards' are being allocated now that the public have been invited to 'mine'.

TL;DR: Appeal to Dan to provide guidance on where AGS/PTS/Brownies stand relative to Steemit. Steem Power is an investment this community should not pass up, but market is too thin to trade into a meaningful position. Mining is possible but only worthwhile if you have nice breasts, funny videos or dophin/whale friends. Bitshares community members should have dolphin/whale friends, so we should 'mine' by contributing as we wait to find out where we stand with Dan.





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« Reply #226 on: July 18, 2016, 07:37:20 am »
No abrupt pivot in focus.  Dan has been transparently discussing ways to stay in business since last fall.
This has been part of the plan for six months and everyone here has been kept in the loop every step of the way.
Read my posts since March 14th, here and on Steemit if you don't want to be caught by surprise.

Stan - thank you for your response. I've now invested the necessary time to go back through your posts as well as Dan's over the past six months as recommended. I have also investigated Steemit as thoroughly as possible, though I don't use Facebook, Twitter etc. so the social media thing is a little above my paygrade.

To be frank, what I found was disappointing.

Steemit was announced 01-April (current thread) and Dan's last post was 02-May. Cold turkey, nothing since. After years of engagement with this community and nearly 10,000 posts authored I think it is reasonable to call Dan's pivot abrupt in the extreme.

I agree there is a lot of good commentary on the need to raise capital and the community was made aware that new sources of funding are needed. However, at no point do I see "Dan will be shelving Bitshares on 02-May to focus on Steemit; here is the handoff strategy; here is the roadmap". Nor do I see a commitment or any indication that funds raised through Steemit will be used to further development of Bitshares.

Now, Steemit. As an investor I want to invest - the execution is incredible and the platform has real potential as The Next Big Thing, and not just in the crypto space. Dan is a brilliant developer/programmer/strategist/creator and Steemit is his finest work to date. It is going to take me a while to wrap my head around the possibilities the platform offers, but at first blush it appears to be the killer app for crypto.  Steemit may well bring crypto to the masses.

As an AGS/PTS investor I am livid. Apoplectic. Here's what I see:

Steem = Bitshares

Steem dollars = bitUSD

Steem power =  +5% (yield)

Steemit is the best of Bitshares packaged with a big social media bow on top. The back-end tech that makes Steemit such an incredibly user friendly and accessible crypto platform was built for Bitshares and funded by AGS/PTS. There is no world in which Steemit exists without AGS/PTS investment and the dedication and hardwork of the Bitshares community.

This is where I would pull Dan into my office, tell him to look me in the eye, and ask him to explain why AGS/PTS/Brownies have not received a share drop. I am truly stunned that there is not even a blog post on the topic. Dan would not be where he is today without the investment and support of this community.

"There were posts, you could have mined, you were invited." "The developers do not owe you and you are not entitled". This is mildly insulting. There are dozens of exciting projects related to Bitshares and it is unreasonable/impractical to expect investors to follow all projects and participate in all ICO/pre-mines. The AGS/PTS 'social contract' was created specifically to address this issue - and we all invested so we would not need to chase ICOs/pre-mines and could instead participate in future projects via share drop.

Why are there not pitchforks and torches in the streets? Why are the lead devs and forum heroes not demanding answers? It appears the majority of the core Bitshares dev team have become very enthusiastic Steemit "dolphins" and "whales" over the past few weeks.  It is absolutely fantastic to see some of our most dedicated, hard working community members hit the 1000% crypto ride we've all been chasing. But a very small percentage of the overall community has benefited.

There is a mailing list. Why was there not an email sent out? Why so little outreach? For something as critical as the lead dev pivoting to another project a clear, concise letter to the community would have been appropriate. Sometime in mid-March: "Dear investor, starting in May, Dan is going to park Bitshares for the foreseeable future and focus on developing Steemit. Steemit uses all of the good things that were built for Bitshares, but is packaged for the majority of internet users (social media) rather than a minority of internet users (investors/finance). There will be no share drop on AGS/PTS/Brownies and investment is via pre-mine only. Here is the road map for the next 12 months." Guidance and forward-looking statements would have resulted in a larger percentage of the community benefiting.

So where do we go from here? Like it or not, there is no recourse with a social contract except an appeal to honor and justice. I believe this writing serves as an appeal, and I would ask Dan to respond in full. Dan is presumably preoccupied with whomever keeps taking down steemit.com so I don't expect a response in the immediate future.

That being the case, I've been investing long enough to know that we all need to be long Steem Power asap. The train has left the station and many of us don't have a ticket.

The Steem market is far too thin to take a position OTC, I've been trading Bittrex over the past few days and the slippage is absurd. This is intentional, and kudos to Dan and team for absolutely destroying CMC. We were all choked when Ripple gamed CMC and knocked us down, couldn't be happier to see karma kicking ass. But it means we can't dump BTS for STEEM in any quantity. Dealing with the clowns daytrading on Bittrex is very, very stale. Try placing a bid for a block of 5 or 10k STEEM and see what happens.

I don't do social media - at all - but will register an account, post content and lobby the Bitshares dophins/whales to 'upvote. I strongly believe Steem Power to be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and all community members should make an effort to get a position by whatever means necessary. Unfortunately, my initial investigation into Steemit 'mining' has left the distinct impression that value seems to flow to makeup tutorials, travelogues, breasts. I do not use make up, do not travel to exotic places in provocative clothing and do not possess attractive breasts. Absent some benevolent whale voters, it seems most of us will be 'mining' with a CPU and competing against ASICs. I found it surprising that there is so much exceptional material posted where the authors have clearly invested substantial effort in producing meaningful, well written content... and earned only a few dollars or nothing at all. Yet a man smearing lipstick on his face was rewarded with thousands. Early days, but wow, it's surprising how the 'block rewards' are being allocated now that the public have been invited to 'mine'.

TL;DR: Appeal to Dan to provide guidance on where AGS/PTS/Brownies stand relative to Steemit. Steem Power is an investment this community should not pass up, but market is too thin to trade into a meaningful position. Mining is possible but only worthwhile if you have nice breasts, funny videos or dophin/whale friends. Bitshares community members should have dolphin/whale friends, so we should 'mine' by contributing as we wait to find out where we stand with Dan.
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« Reply #227 on: July 18, 2016, 08:54:18 am »
[member=11399]OldMan[/member] excellent post

Dan&Co. turn me into the troll. I invested a lot (for me) in AGS (after february) and everybody here know what that means. Unfortunately am  also persuaded some friends in the investment. Hard lesson, I never do that again. From all that shiney DAOs  that was announced there's not a single one. MUSE and PLAY are obviously failed projects.

With 80% Steem premined I Am sure that Dan&Co. will airdrop some 'crumbs', but only later maybe after the end of BTS vesting period. Right now it seems they are busy with damping BTS to pump Steem.
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« Reply #228 on: July 18, 2016, 01:25:32 pm »
No abrupt pivot in focus.  Dan has been transparently discussing ways to stay in business since last fall.
This has been part of the plan for six months and everyone here has been kept in the loop every step of the way.
Read my posts since March 14th, here and on Steemit if you don't want to be caught by surprise.

Stan - thank you for your response. I've now invested the necessary time to go back through your posts as well as Dan's over the past six months as recommended. I have also investigated Steemit as thoroughly as possible, though I don't use Facebook, Twitter etc. so the social media thing is a little above my paygrade.

To be frank, what I found was disappointing.

Steemit was announced 01-April (current thread) and Dan's last post was 02-May. Cold turkey, nothing since. After years of engagement with this community and nearly 10,000 posts authored I think it is reasonable to call Dan's pivot abrupt in the extreme.

I agree there is a lot of good commentary on the need to raise capital and the community was made aware that new sources of funding are needed. However, at no point do I see "Dan will be shelving Bitshares on 02-May to focus on Steemit; here is the handoff strategy; here is the roadmap". Nor do I see a commitment or any indication that funds raised through Steemit will be used to further development of Bitshares.

Now, Steemit. As an investor I want to invest - the execution is incredible and the platform has real potential as The Next Big Thing, and not just in the crypto space. Dan is a brilliant developer/programmer/strategist/creator and Steemit is his finest work to date. It is going to take me a while to wrap my head around the possibilities the platform offers, but at first blush it appears to be the killer app for crypto.  Steemit may well bring crypto to the masses.

As an AGS/PTS investor I am livid. Apoplectic. Here's what I see:

Steem = Bitshares

Steem dollars = bitUSD

Steem power =  +5% (yield)

Steemit is the best of Bitshares packaged with a big social media bow on top. The back-end tech that makes Steemit such an incredibly user friendly and accessible crypto platform was built for Bitshares and funded by AGS/PTS. There is no world in which Steemit exists without AGS/PTS investment and the dedication and hardwork of the Bitshares community.

This is where I would pull Dan into my office, tell him to look me in the eye, and ask him to explain why AGS/PTS/Brownies have not received a share drop. I am truly stunned that there is not even a blog post on the topic. Dan would not be where he is today without the investment and support of this community.

"There were posts, you could have mined, you were invited." "The developers do not owe you and you are not entitled". This is mildly insulting. There are dozens of exciting projects related to Bitshares and it is unreasonable/impractical to expect investors to follow all projects and participate in all ICO/pre-mines. The AGS/PTS 'social contract' was created specifically to address this issue - and we all invested so we would not need to chase ICOs/pre-mines and could instead participate in future projects via share drop.

Why are there not pitchforks and torches in the streets? Why are the lead devs and forum heroes not demanding answers? It appears the majority of the core Bitshares dev team have become very enthusiastic Steemit "dolphins" and "whales" over the past few weeks.  It is absolutely fantastic to see some of our most dedicated, hard working community members hit the 1000% crypto ride we've all been chasing. But a very small percentage of the overall community has benefited.

There is a mailing list. Why was there not an email sent out? Why so little outreach? For something as critical as the lead dev pivoting to another project a clear, concise letter to the community would have been appropriate. Sometime in mid-March: "Dear investor, starting in May, Dan is going to park Bitshares for the foreseeable future and focus on developing Steemit. Steemit uses all of the good things that were built for Bitshares, but is packaged for the majority of internet users (social media) rather than a minority of internet users (investors/finance). There will be no share drop on AGS/PTS/Brownies and investment is via pre-mine only. Here is the road map for the next 12 months." Guidance and forward-looking statements would have resulted in a larger percentage of the community benefiting.

So where do we go from here? Like it or not, there is no recourse with a social contract except an appeal to honor and justice. I believe this writing serves as an appeal, and I would ask Dan to respond in full. Dan is presumably preoccupied with whomever keeps taking down steemit.com so I don't expect a response in the immediate future.

That being the case, I've been investing long enough to know that we all need to be long Steem Power asap. The train has left the station and many of us don't have a ticket.

The Steem market is far too thin to take a position OTC, I've been trading Bittrex over the past few days and the slippage is absurd. This is intentional, and kudos to Dan and team for absolutely destroying CMC. We were all choked when Ripple gamed CMC and knocked us down, couldn't be happier to see karma kicking ass. But it means we can't dump BTS for STEEM in any quantity. Dealing with the clowns daytrading on Bittrex is very, very stale. Try placing a bid for a block of 5 or 10k STEEM and see what happens.

I don't do social media - at all - but will register an account, post content and lobby the Bitshares dophins/whales to 'upvote. I strongly believe Steem Power to be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and all community members should make an effort to get a position by whatever means necessary. Unfortunately, my initial investigation into Steemit 'mining' has left the distinct impression that value seems to flow to makeup tutorials, travelogues, breasts. I do not use make up, do not travel to exotic places in provocative clothing and do not possess attractive breasts. Absent some benevolent whale voters, it seems most of us will be 'mining' with a CPU and competing against ASICs. I found it surprising that there is so much exceptional material posted where the authors have clearly invested substantial effort in producing meaningful, well written content... and earned only a few dollars or nothing at all. Yet a man smearing lipstick on his face was rewarded with thousands. Early days, but wow, it's surprising how the 'block rewards' are being allocated now that the public have been invited to 'mine'.

TL;DR: Appeal to Dan to provide guidance on where AGS/PTS/Brownies stand relative to Steemit. Steem Power is an investment this community should not pass up, but market is too thin to trade into a meaningful position. Mining is possible but only worthwhile if you have nice breasts, funny videos or dophin/whale friends. Bitshares community members should have dolphin/whale friends, so we should 'mine' by contributing as we wait to find out where we stand with Dan.

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But as for BitShares,
Everything that
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will be fixed
when we fix
what we can fix
when we can fix it.

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« Last Edit: July 18, 2016, 02:13:11 pm by Stan »
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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #229 on: July 18, 2016, 04:19:03 pm »
No abrupt pivot in focus.  Dan has been transparently discussing ways to stay in business since last fall.
This has been part of the plan for six months and everyone here has been kept in the loop every step of the way.
Read my posts since March 14th, here and on Steemit if you don't want to be caught by surprise.

Stan - thank you for your response. I've now invested the necessary time to go back through your posts as well as Dan's over the past six months as recommended. I have also investigated Steemit as thoroughly as possible, though I don't use Facebook, Twitter etc. so the social media thing is a little above my paygrade.

To be frank, what I found was disappointing.

Steemit was announced 01-April (current thread) and Dan's last post was 02-May. Cold turkey, nothing since. After years of engagement with this community and nearly 10,000 posts authored I think it is reasonable to call Dan's pivot abrupt in the extreme.

I agree there is a lot of good commentary on the need to raise capital and the community was made aware that new sources of funding are needed. However, at no point do I see "Dan will be shelving Bitshares on 02-May to focus on Steemit; here is the handoff strategy; here is the roadmap". Nor do I see a commitment or any indication that funds raised through Steemit will be used to further development of Bitshares.

Now, Steemit. As an investor I want to invest - the execution is incredible and the platform has real potential as The Next Big Thing, and not just in the crypto space. Dan is a brilliant developer/programmer/strategist/creator and Steemit is his finest work to date. It is going to take me a while to wrap my head around the possibilities the platform offers, but at first blush it appears to be the killer app for crypto.  Steemit may well bring crypto to the masses.

As an AGS/PTS investor I am livid. Apoplectic. Here's what I see:

Steem = Bitshares

Steem dollars = bitUSD

Steem power =  +5% (yield)

Steemit is the best of Bitshares packaged with a big social media bow on top. The back-end tech that makes Steemit such an incredibly user friendly and accessible crypto platform was built for Bitshares and funded by AGS/PTS. There is no world in which Steemit exists without AGS/PTS investment and the dedication and hardwork of the Bitshares community.

This is where I would pull Dan into my office, tell him to look me in the eye, and ask him to explain why AGS/PTS/Brownies have not received a share drop. I am truly stunned that there is not even a blog post on the topic. Dan would not be where he is today without the investment and support of this community.

"There were posts, you could have mined, you were invited." "The developers do not owe you and you are not entitled". This is mildly insulting. There are dozens of exciting projects related to Bitshares and it is unreasonable/impractical to expect investors to follow all projects and participate in all ICO/pre-mines. The AGS/PTS 'social contract' was created specifically to address this issue - and we all invested so we would not need to chase ICOs/pre-mines and could instead participate in future projects via share drop.

Why are there not pitchforks and torches in the streets? Why are the lead devs and forum heroes not demanding answers? It appears the majority of the core Bitshares dev team have become very enthusiastic Steemit "dolphins" and "whales" over the past few weeks.  It is absolutely fantastic to see some of our most dedicated, hard working community members hit the 1000% crypto ride we've all been chasing. But a very small percentage of the overall community has benefited.

There is a mailing list. Why was there not an email sent out? Why so little outreach? For something as critical as the lead dev pivoting to another project a clear, concise letter to the community would have been appropriate. Sometime in mid-March: "Dear investor, starting in May, Dan is going to park Bitshares for the foreseeable future and focus on developing Steemit. Steemit uses all of the good things that were built for Bitshares, but is packaged for the majority of internet users (social media) rather than a minority of internet users (investors/finance). There will be no share drop on AGS/PTS/Brownies and investment is via pre-mine only. Here is the road map for the next 12 months." Guidance and forward-looking statements would have resulted in a larger percentage of the community benefiting.

So where do we go from here? Like it or not, there is no recourse with a social contract except an appeal to honor and justice. I believe this writing serves as an appeal, and I would ask Dan to respond in full. Dan is presumably preoccupied with whomever keeps taking down steemit.com so I don't expect a response in the immediate future.

That being the case, I've been investing long enough to know that we all need to be long Steem Power asap. The train has left the station and many of us don't have a ticket.

The Steem market is far too thin to take a position OTC, I've been trading Bittrex over the past few days and the slippage is absurd. This is intentional, and kudos to Dan and team for absolutely destroying CMC. We were all choked when Ripple gamed CMC and knocked us down, couldn't be happier to see karma kicking ass. But it means we can't dump BTS for STEEM in any quantity. Dealing with the clowns daytrading on Bittrex is very, very stale. Try placing a bid for a block of 5 or 10k STEEM and see what happens.

I don't do social media - at all - but will register an account, post content and lobby the Bitshares dophins/whales to 'upvote. I strongly believe Steem Power to be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and all community members should make an effort to get a position by whatever means necessary. Unfortunately, my initial investigation into Steemit 'mining' has left the distinct impression that value seems to flow to makeup tutorials, travelogues, breasts. I do not use make up, do not travel to exotic places in provocative clothing and do not possess attractive breasts. Absent some benevolent whale voters, it seems most of us will be 'mining' with a CPU and competing against ASICs. I found it surprising that there is so much exceptional material posted where the authors have clearly invested substantial effort in producing meaningful, well written content... and earned only a few dollars or nothing at all. Yet a man smearing lipstick on his face was rewarded with thousands. Early days, but wow, it's surprising how the 'block rewards' are being allocated now that the public have been invited to 'mine'.

TL;DR: Appeal to Dan to provide guidance on where AGS/PTS/Brownies stand relative to Steemit. Steem Power is an investment this community should not pass up, but market is too thin to trade into a meaningful position. Mining is possible but only worthwhile if you have nice breasts, funny videos or dophin/whale friends. Bitshares community members should have dolphin/whale friends, so we should 'mine' by contributing as we wait to find out where we stand with Dan.

Best post i've seen in a while  +5% that's pretty much how I feel.

I like the new platform, but still feel left out due to that ags issue. No ags > no graphene > no steemit. Feels like "pulling an Oculus Rift" tbh.

My main issue with this is that I used to trust the team, now I'm not sure if the BitShares platform will end up benefiting from this someday, if the original team still has an interest and passion for BitShares, if they will one day go back and work on it like they did in the past, etc. It's that uncertainty that I don't like.
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« Reply #230 on: July 18, 2016, 06:14:12 pm »
I like the new platform, but still feel left out due to that ags issue. No ags > no graphene > no steemit.

This statement is completely false.
All AGS was able to do is get to BitShares 0.9.3c, with Vote, DNS, Play, and Muse all sucking wind looking for funding.  Yet to this day AGS holders are still gaining vesting BTS shares.

The Cryptonomex team spent a whole year developing Graphene on its own sweat equity .  Yet, still gave it all away to the community to enable BitShares 2.0 - reengineered from the ground up.

Then we spun off Steemit with new players and their new sweat equity building on Graphene but nothing that was originally funded by PTS/AGS/BTS.

Now Cryptonomex is working to do even more for this community with even more resources that do not come from BTS, AGS, or PTS.

I don't know what it takes to earn trust around here, but I am not impressed with the entitlement attitudes that imply we can never do enough.

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« Reply #231 on: July 18, 2016, 06:36:18 pm »
I like the new platform, but still feel left out due to that ags issue. No ags > no graphene > no steemit.

This statement is completely false.
All AGS was able to do is get to BitShares 0.9.3c, with Vote, DNS, Play, and Muse all sucking wind looking for funding.  Yet to this day AGS holders are still gaining vesting BTS shares.

The Cryptonomex team spent a whole year developing Graphene on its own sweat equity .  Yet, still gave it all away to the community.

Then we spun off Steemit with new players and their new sweat equity building on Graphene but nothing that was originally funded by PTS/AGS/BTS.

Now Cryptonomex is working to do even more for this community with even more resources that do not come from BTS, AGS, or PTS.

I don't know what it takes to earn trust around here, but I am not impressed with the entitlement attitudes that imply we can never do enough.

How about delivering something to the BTS community instead of just "new investment opportunities".  I think everyone here has had enough of buying the next best thing (AGS/PTS/DNS/Brownies/BTS0.9/BTS2/Steem).

There were constant pump posts to buy bts based on "summer announcements" that never came to fruition.  Investors here feel like they were promised business development, but when everything fell through Bytemaster just jumped ship to a new platform.  It didn't help that he promoted doing sharedrops and abandoned this on the first new chain that he created.

You are saying CNX is doing things behind the scenes, but that has been the story for the last year... Nothing has been seen or delivered other than 2.0 itself.  This would all be cleared up if CNX created a worker proposal for a collateralized bond market or maker taker.   

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« Reply #232 on: July 18, 2016, 07:02:42 pm »
I like the new platform, but still feel left out due to that ags issue. No ags > no graphene > no steemit.

This statement is completely false.
All AGS was able to do is get to BitShares 0.9.3c, with Vote, DNS, Play, and Muse all sucking wind looking for funding.  Yet to this day AGS holders are still gaining vesting BTS shares.

The Cryptonomex team spent a whole year developing Graphene on its own sweat equity .  Yet, still gave it all away to the community.

Then we spun off Steemit with new players and their new sweat equity building on Graphene but nothing that was originally funded by PTS/AGS/BTS.

Now Cryptonomex is working to do even more for this community with even more resources that do not come from BTS, AGS, or PTS.

I don't know what it takes to earn trust around here, but I am not impressed with the entitlement attitudes that imply we can never do enough.

How about delivering something to the BTS community instead of just "new investment opportunities".  I think everyone here has had enough of buying the next best thing (AGS/PTS/DNS/Brownies/BTS0.9/BTS2/Steem).

There were constant pump posts to buy bts based on "summer announcements" that never came to fruition.  Investors here feel like they were promised business development, but when everything fell through Bytemaster just jumped ship to a new platform.  It didn't help that he promoted doing sharedrops and abandoned this on the first new chain that he created.

You are saying CNX is doing things behind the scenes, but that has been the story for the last year... Nothing has been seen or delivered other than 2.0 itself.  This would all be cleared up if CNX created a worker proposal for a collateralized bond market or maker taker.

...and that's why I no longer publish details about what we are working on.  90% of all leads fail.  I tried sharing this stuff with you but all I got were posts like this.    Now you'll just have to wait and be surprised.
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« Reply #233 on: July 18, 2016, 07:13:19 pm »
I like the new platform, but still feel left out due to that ags issue. No ags > no graphene > no steemit.

This statement is completely false.
All AGS was able to do is get to BitShares 0.9.3c, with Vote, DNS, Play, and Muse all sucking wind looking for funding.  Yet to this day AGS holders are still gaining vesting BTS shares.

The Cryptonomex team spent a whole year developing Graphene on its own sweat equity .  Yet, still gave it all away to the community.

Then we spun off Steemit with new players and their new sweat equity building on Graphene but nothing that was originally funded by PTS/AGS/BTS.

Now Cryptonomex is working to do even more for this community with even more resources that do not come from BTS, AGS, or PTS.

I don't know what it takes to earn trust around here, but I am not impressed with the entitlement attitudes that imply we can never do enough.

How about delivering something to the BTS community instead of just "new investment opportunities".  I think everyone here has had enough of buying the next best thing (AGS/PTS/DNS/Brownies/BTS0.9/BTS2/Steem).

There were constant pump posts to buy bts based on "summer announcements" that never came to fruition.  Investors here feel like they were promised business development, but when everything fell through Bytemaster just jumped ship to a new platform.  It didn't help that he promoted doing sharedrops and abandoned this on the first new chain that he created.

You are saying CNX is doing things behind the scenes, but that has been the story for the last year... Nothing has been seen or delivered other than 2.0 itself.  This would all be cleared up if CNX created a worker proposal for a collateralized bond market or maker taker.

...and that's why I no longer publish details about what we are working on.  90% of all leads fail.  I tried sharing this stuff with you but all I got were posts like this.    Now you'll just have to wait and be surprised.

Then why did you even ask what it takes to earn trust around here?

I'm guessing you knew what the answer would be.  Why not comment on the idea of doing a worker proposal?

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« Reply #234 on: July 18, 2016, 07:28:01 pm »
And the main reason people don't trust CNX is that they took bitshares from a market cap of $100 million down to $7 million under their leadership.  That's a really easy way to piss off investors.  Having the "leader" (which Dan said his New Years resolution was to become a better leader for BTS) bail after cutting the market cap by 90% and inflating the supply all while alienating the Chinese community probably didn't help either.

It's really not that difficult to see why so many here have lost faith in CNX.  But like I said, if CNX actually delivers something the perception might all change.  It's a "what have you done for me lately" world.

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« Reply #235 on: July 18, 2016, 08:18:01 pm »
I like the new platform, but still feel left out due to that ags issue. No ags > no graphene > no steemit.

This statement is completely false.
All AGS was able to do is get to BitShares 0.9.3c, with Vote, DNS, Play, and Muse all sucking wind looking for funding.  Yet to this day AGS holders are still gaining vesting BTS shares.

The Cryptonomex team spent a whole year developing Graphene on its own sweat equity .  Yet, still gave it all away to the community.

Then we spun off Steemit with new players and their new sweat equity building on Graphene but nothing that was originally funded by PTS/AGS/BTS.

Now Cryptonomex is working to do even more for this community with even more resources that do not come from BTS, AGS, or PTS.

I don't know what it takes to earn trust around here, but I am not impressed with the entitlement attitudes that imply we can never do enough.

How about delivering something to the BTS community instead of just "new investment opportunities".  I think everyone here has had enough of buying the next best thing (AGS/PTS/DNS/Brownies/BTS0.9/BTS2/Steem).

There were constant pump posts to buy bts based on "summer announcements" that never came to fruition.  Investors here feel like they were promised business development, but when everything fell through Bytemaster just jumped ship to a new platform.  It didn't help that he promoted doing sharedrops and abandoned this on the first new chain that he created.

You are saying CNX is doing things behind the scenes, but that has been the story for the last year... Nothing has been seen or delivered other than 2.0 itself.  This would all be cleared up if CNX created a worker proposal for a collateralized bond market or maker taker.

...and that's why I no longer publish details about what we are working on.  90% of all leads fail.  I tried sharing this stuff with you but all I got were posts like this.    Now you'll just have to wait and be surprised.

Then why did you even ask what it takes to earn trust around here?

I'm guessing you knew what the answer would be.  Why not comment on the idea of doing a worker proposal?

It was a rhetorical question.

Proposals are based in part on what resources are available to work on them.
Resources are hired based on the availability of stable funding.
A constant battle over who controls the funding light switch means no one dares hire against any line item.
So the resources remain allocated elsewhere

:)

Besides, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #236 on: July 18, 2016, 08:30:43 pm »
I like the new platform, but still feel left out due to that ags issue. No ags > no graphene > no steemit.

This statement is completely false.
All AGS was able to do is get to BitShares 0.9.3c, with Vote, DNS, Play, and Muse all sucking wind looking for funding.  Yet to this day AGS holders are still gaining vesting BTS shares.

The Cryptonomex team spent a whole year developing Graphene on its own sweat equity .  Yet, still gave it all away to the community.

Then we spun off Steemit with new players and their new sweat equity building on Graphene but nothing that was originally funded by PTS/AGS/BTS.

Now Cryptonomex is working to do even more for this community with even more resources that do not come from BTS, AGS, or PTS.

I don't know what it takes to earn trust around here, but I am not impressed with the entitlement attitudes that imply we can never do enough.

How about delivering something to the BTS community instead of just "new investment opportunities".  I think everyone here has had enough of buying the next best thing (AGS/PTS/DNS/Brownies/BTS0.9/BTS2/Steem).

There were constant pump posts to buy bts based on "summer announcements" that never came to fruition.  Investors here feel like they were promised business development, but when everything fell through Bytemaster just jumped ship to a new platform.  It didn't help that he promoted doing sharedrops and abandoned this on the first new chain that he created.

You are saying CNX is doing things behind the scenes, but that has been the story for the last year... Nothing has been seen or delivered other than 2.0 itself.  This would all be cleared up if CNX created a worker proposal for a collateralized bond market or maker taker.

...and that's why I no longer publish details about what we are working on.  90% of all leads fail.  I tried sharing this stuff with you but all I got were posts like this.    Now you'll just have to wait and be surprised.

Then why did you even ask what it takes to earn trust around here?

I'm guessing you knew what the answer would be.  Why not comment on the idea of doing a worker proposal?

Proposals are based in part on what resources are available to work on them.
Resources are hired based on the availability of stable funding.
A constant battle over who controls the funding light switch means no one dares hire against any line item.
So the resources remain allocated elsewhere

:)

That excuse was already addressed by me in that thread.  A CNX proposal has never even been created.  You will have a valid argument if you create a proposal, get voted in, then get voted out.  Until then, your argument above isn't valid.

Xeroc is the largest proxy and could pretty much vote in any proposal he wanted.  I'm sure you wouldn't have to worry about stable funding.

The problem i'm seeing with CNX ability in gaining trust is their "it's not our fault" attitude.  You guys designed and managed the system for years... you take all the credit for the success's but try to deflect any of the problems. 

"A good leader takes a little more than his share of the blame, a little less than his share of the credit." --Arnold Glasow

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« Reply #237 on: July 18, 2016, 09:03:06 pm »
And the main reason people don't trust CNX is that they took bitshares from a market cap of $100 million down to $7 million under their leadership.  That's a really easy way to piss off investors.  Having the "leader" (which Dan said his New Years resolution was to become a better leader for BTS) bail after cutting the market cap by 90% and inflating the supply all while alienating the Chinese community probably didn't help either.

It's really not that difficult to see why so many here have lost faith in CNX.  But like I said, if CNX actually delivers something the perception might all change.  It's a "what have you done for me lately" world.

Nobody is asking anyone to trust CNX.  It's been a one-way street for the past 18 months with CNX always on the giving end.  We won't be asking for anything from anyone for the foreseeable future.

During that whole time BitShares has been unleashed and not subject to any centralized leadership.

It took Dan completely breaking off engagement to get the community to take responsibility for itself.  Very pleased to see people stepping up.  Apparently that wouldn't happen if everyone was still deferring to Dan for leadership.  We'll have to be careful that what we hope to do "this summer" doesn't reverse any of that very gratifying progress.

Lest we forget, this has always been the plan, since many months before even PTS was launched on Guy Fawkes Day, 2013...as i reiterated nearly 18 months ago:

The Origin of BitShares
Part 10
BitShares Unleashed


In this industry, talk often turns to the virtues of decentralization.  This usually means distributed software, but we have aimed to decentralize the BitShares industry as well. And for good reasons!  What good is decentralized software if someone can attack the human organization that maintains it? How do we actually achieve the word “Autonomous” in the DAC acronym anyway?
 
Now that BitShares has become the world’s first self-funding DAC,
that vision is within reach.

Those who have been with us since the beginning will remember we emphasized that a critical stage in the life of a DAC would be when it is able to become unleashed from its developers.  Only then would it be truly emancipated and autonomous …even sovereign.  Barely sixteen months ago, we said it this way when we unveiled our the concept of a Decentralized Autonomous Company (DAC) in a LetsTalkBitcoin.com article entitled:



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Ultimately, to achieve complete incorruptibility,
developers must be willing to let go of their own control. 
If there remains any centralized human control anywhere,
it will eventually be exploited to the detriment of the DAC’s stakeholders. 
DACs need to be free to be trusted.

We think we have now come close to achieving this vision.
 
BitShares will be the first fully automatic company.
It will employ humans, not the other way around.

BitShares will still have human owners; it will still serve human customers; and it will still hire human staff; but it will be managed by independent software agents that cannot be corrupted, seduced or coerced. Because it can be trusted in ways that manned companies cannot, it will be able to serve its owners and customers more reliably than any manned company you may still be inclined to trust.

So, as long planned, we have set BitShares free - releasing it into the wild!

Invictus Innovations Incorporated (I3) has ceased operations in the crypto currency space to ensure that there remains no central control over BitShares of any kind.  For a while, the corporation will continue to exist as a legal entity to handle any future regulatory inquiry, tax audits, or other government duties associated with its past existence.   But BitShares will no longer depend upon Invictus for anything.

Invictus has delivered BitShares to its owners as a self-funding, self-maintaining, self-promoting product.


Having accomplished that mission, Invictus can quietly ride off into the sunset in search of Satoshi Nakamoto.

Meanwhile BitShares, DAC (not BitShares, Inc.) has already begun hiring its own support, development, and promotional contractors. Most of us who have been employed by Invictus Innovations have sought employment directly with BitShares.   We have been hired by our own software!  And up to 101 delegate-based contractor slots are now open for other new talent of all kinds.

Whether we are familiar old-timers or newly arriving talent, each of us will have to make our case to the community of BitShares holders. They will make all hiring decisions. Based upon the indicated preferences of those voters on the blockchain, BitShares, DAC will automatically hire and pay the top 101 vote getters.  This will make elected delegates very competitive, responsive, open and transparent – since those same voters can just as easily fire us… in about ten seconds.

So now you are caught up.  The Vision first laid out in Bitcoin and the Three Laws of Robotics has been, at least partly, achieved.  There is still much work to do to grow BitShares, DAC into a Fortune 100 Unmanned Company. But the whole world can work on it together...and the path forward is clear.   

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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #238 on: July 19, 2016, 06:10:25 am »
Thank you to those with positive feedback on my post, greatly appreciated and I think we are all feeling a bit disenchanted with how things have progressed over the past three months.

I am going to give credit where it's due though - CNX did a substantial amount of work for BTS on their own dime. Now we can speculate till the cows come home about who benefited from their sweat equity, but I'm also going to ask that we stop beating up on each other until we know where we stand with Dan. It's wasted time and effort all around.

In the interim I'm going to try and coat tail BTS on Steemit's market cap and need everyone's help to do it. Please see my proposal here:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22864.msg296565.html#msg296565

Basically I hope will be enough capital via blogging to bump BTS cap and increase DEX liquidity to get Bitshares over the hump. First post is up and I'm asking everyone here to head over to the dark side an upvote/comment:








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« Reply #239 on: July 19, 2016, 06:49:35 pm »
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