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Will any of the betting servers be located in the US?  It's against federal law for a US based server to take sports bets.  Not sure how everything will be setup, but hopefully this was taken into account.

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It is one thing to have a framework to keep track of points and distribute value, but proving games are fair is something the blockchain can't really do.

The 'provably fair' gaming is nonsense unless the games have RNGs generated on the blockchain and even then it is a difficult problem and I would suspect impossible to 'prove' fair.

I tried to read the paper on decentralized poker but it was beyond me. It seemed to be written in a strange manner which made everything more difficult to comprehend than it should be. I almost suspected that the person who wrote it did that just to make the paper seem to have more value by many layers of bs. If anyone knows of an understandable explanation of how to do a decentralized poker system, I'd love to see the link.

I'm glad to see some projects coming about this that are not led by the usual characters. Good luck guys!
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Will any of the betting servers be located in the US?  It's against federal law for a US based server to take sports bets.  Not sure how everything will be setup, but hopefully this was taken into account.

We take regulatory matters seriously and have reviewed such issues earlier on. Details on this are coming later, but I can tell you we have already reviewed the matter of regulator concerns.

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** UPDATE **

Yesterday we opened up our crowdfund and had a great response!

We ran into a few technical issues with our funding platform however that only became apparent after we started.

We had an intermitent issue with the email server we were using. We have since taken measures to fix this and have resent out payment confirmations to everyone who paid in, but still have their orders marked 'pending'.

Because some people were not getting their email confirmations this lead to a fair amount of confusion because essential instructions on token delivery were contained in those emails.

We have also noticed some are submitting orders and then not completing their payment process. We are using coinbase API interface that allows you to pay either directly with your coinbase account or bitcoin. It gives you 15 minutes to send something to chain to confirm your payment, after that you need to start your payment process over again. Some seemed to find this process confusing.

With these issues we are going to generate more content dedicated to our contribution process to make it easier for everyone.

In the meantime people have taken advantage of our live support and ticketing system to get their issues resolved with our help. Some have taken advantage of being able to reach us directly to get direct information on the project.

Also, we launched while our designer was still not finished our offer site. There is still some more tweaking, but if you go to www.peerplays.com you can now see our developer mockup we are working with in development of Peerplays that illustrates just some of the features.

That's all for now... this launch was really for those paying attention to take advantage of the low starting price. Now over the coming week we will be rolling out new announcements and updates. If you haven't gotten your PEERPLAYS yet, it's a good time to consider doing so before we move into the $3 phase.

Again.. check out the updated www.peerplays.com
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Peerplay seems like a fork of DACPlay minus the social consensus. So why not just support DACPlay which does follow the social consensus?

I won't be buying this one because I don't see why it would be any more successful than DACPlay.
Next we will see PeerDNS without the social consensus.

How exactly is it a fork?

I haven't seen anything to fork.

We have a solid team, we have speced out an entire new blockchain, have presented a very compelling whitepaper, and have industry contacts to help incorporate it into elements of the gaming market once it goes live.

Reading the whitepaper the benefits from this project for Bitshares are numerous and have very real implications for Bitshares this year when Peerplays launches.
If it is based on Graphene but does not adhere to the social consensus then it breaks consensus. If it is not based on Graphene then perhaps I'll take a closer look and revise my opinion.

DACPlay adhered to the social consensus so the community has good reason to be loyal to DACPlay.
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Will any of the betting servers be located in the US?  It's against federal law for a US based server to take sports bets.  Not sure how everything will be setup, but hopefully this was taken into account.

We take regulatory matters seriously and have reviewed such issues earlier on. Details on this are coming later, but I can tell you we have already reviewed the matter of regulator concerns.

Betting servers? isn't it supposed to be decentralized?
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It's way more profitable to play 1 more table than lose your time trying to collude with someone.

 +5%, randomized seating helps a lot though too.

As a big chunk (very big chunk) of the money a professional poker player win is lost in the rake (around 5% on each pot), the first effective decentralised poker room with a low rake (1%)
could potentially be a huuuuge success and bring lots of money on the plateform.
I know I wouldn't hesitate to play decentralised poker if it allows me to double my annual winnings thanks to a low rake !

 +5% 1% rake will be huge.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 10:02:50 pm by Empirical1.2 »
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Will any of the betting servers be located in the US?  It's against federal law for a US based server to take sports bets.  Not sure how everything will be setup, but hopefully this was taken into account.

We take regulatory matters seriously and have reviewed such issues earlier on. Details on this are coming later, but I can tell you we have already reviewed the matter of regulator concerns.

Betting servers? isn't it supposed to be decentralized?

For server-side tournament or sports betting hosts, all of the tournament management software (brackets, registration and wagering) is built into the blockchain. Host sites can interact with Peerplays via the blockchain API.

Bracket types -  Single & double elimination, round robin, fantasy league brackets, etc.

Registration - Anyone with a Peerplays account can become a "registrar" by simply inputting a start time, date, player account names, bracket size and type, buy-in required, and about 10 other optional parameters, along with a fee, to the Registration smart contract. A tournament ID# is then created.

Wagering - The other players (accounts) who are named by the registrar can then enter the  tournament by sending their buy-in funds to the registration smart contract along with the tournament ID #. When the tournament begins, the smart contract locks up their funds and sends the jackpot to the winner.

Determining the winner:

On chain games - provably fair gaming, as discussed in the whitepaper, which includes on chain RNG (to answer [member=13110]gamey[/member] 's question from earlier in this thread.)

Server-side games - Registrar account is responsible for reporting the winner of each round/bracket. Sports betting is similar, but certain league brackets will likely require the registrar to report additional information like game scores, stats, etc. .


« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 11:03:43 pm by CryptoPrometheus »
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Do you guys have someone on the team who is well-equipped to handle the cryptography integration challenges? I'm looking at the math behind mental poker, and it isn't trivial. The shuffling version of the mental poker protocol seems pretty straightforward but apparently it is too slow for the kind of real-time play online poker players expect. There is a non-shuffling version suitable for poker, but the math gets a little more hairy (luckily there is readily available code implementing the ElGamal cryptosystem). I would imagine that this might just be the beginning of the kinds of cryptography challenges that will be faced when implementing various provably fair on-chain games (then again maybe card shuffling is the only primitive that will be needed).

Edit: Then there is this paper (warning PDF), which may or may not (I honestly couldn't tell because it was over my head) solve the blockchain bloat issue of using the above (ElGamal) to implement decentralized poker.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2016, 02:09:14 am by arhag »

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Do you guys have someone on the team who is well-equipped to handle the cryptography integration challenges? I'm looking at the math behind mental poker, and it isn't trivial. The shuffling version of the mental poker protocol seems pretty straightforward but apparently it is too slow for the kind of real-time play online poker players expect. There is a non-shuffling version suitable for poker, but the math gets a little more hairy (luckily there is readily available code implementing the ElGamal cryptosystem). I would imagine that this might just be the beginning of the kinds of cryptography challenges that will be faced when implementing various provably fair on-chain games (then again maybe card shuffling is the only primitive that will be needed).

Edit: Then there is this paper (warning PDF), which may or may not (I honestly couldn't tell because it was over my head) solve the blockchain bloat issue of using the above (ElGamal) to implement decentralized poker.
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Do you guys have someone on the team who is well-equipped to handle the cryptography integration challenges? I'm looking at the math behind mental poker, and it isn't trivial. The shuffling version of the mental poker protocol seems pretty straightforward but apparently it is too slow for the kind of real-time play online poker players expect.
Eric and I are both experienced at working with cryptographic code and we both have strong mathematical aptitudes. But we haven't delved into details of how we'd implement a random shuffle algorithm yet, because it's not needed for either the initial prototype or the initial "minimal viable product" that will follow the prototype. If it turns out to be beyond our skills, we can certainly engage others to help out.
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Offline EstefanTT

Poker may seem like one of a lot of online gambling games but it's not.

It's the place where tremendous amounts of money are played every day. It's also a field where centralised rooms and governments are killing players with high rakes and exaggerated  taxes.

There is a desperate need for a decentralised poker with low rake and anonymity.
The days it become a reality, there will be a huge interest amongst worldwide professional players.
With a simple communication through the biggest poker forum, that could have an game changing impact on Peerplay.

It's just my opinion but I really think poker hasn't to be neglected in the structure of the platform ;)



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More over, as worlwide professional poker players would be highly interested in having a low rake and anonimity, I think that it would be easy to gather them and have help to spread the word.

I know, I wouldn't stop speaking about it on my poker social channels if it would be available.

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Is Bunkerchain Labs Inc willing to confirm the licensing arrangement with Cryptonomex Inc for the Graphene technology used in Peerplays?

Has Bunkerchain Labs Inc retained the license grant prior to the ICO, or do they anticipate gaining the license grant in the future?

Will any amount of ICO funds raised offset Graphene licensing fees?
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