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MARGIN CALL
« on: April 28, 2019, 07:07:03 pm »
hi all.
Why not do it in Bitshara, so that when a margin trading company is reached, it takes -10-15% and is placed in a fund, from which they then encourage those who close the margin?

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2019, 12:07:45 am »
hi all.
Why not do it in Bitshara, so that when a margin trading company is reached, it takes -10-15% and is placed in a fund, from which they then encourage those who close the margin?
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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2019, 07:17:46 am »
That's the purpose of MSSR. Margin calls pay MSSR% more than the fair price for covering their debt.
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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2019, 10:47:10 am »
That's the purpose of MSSR. Margin calls pay MSSR% more than the fair price for covering their debt.
NO.

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2019, 01:17:47 pm »
1) Write a BSIP
2) Get it approved
3) Get it implemented
4) Upgrade BitShares
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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2019, 01:35:06 pm »
The feeding price shall not be lower than(the price on DEX × bitCNY premium rate). This should be clear first.

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2019, 01:44:30 pm »
There are two main factors that cause the current bitcny premium to be too high.
First, the feed price is lower than the actual price.
Second, MSSR is too large.

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2019, 01:51:50 pm »
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First, the feed price is lower than the actual price.
Funny cause on my screen feed price is 0.3421 bitcny and real price on dex is 0.321 .
Should we lower now the feedprice by 6% to match feed price to lower real dex price ?
I don't see you complaining about that ?

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Second, MSSR is too large.
MSSR is too large ?How does it come no margin call is getting bought if its too large?
« Last Edit: April 29, 2019, 01:53:26 pm by Thul3 »

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2019, 03:11:40 pm »
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First, the feed price is lower than the actual price.
Funny cause on my screen feed price is 0.3421 bitcny and real price on dex is 0.321 .
Should we lower now the feedprice by 6% to match feed price to lower real dex price ?
I don't see you complaining about that ?

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Second, MSSR is too large.
MSSR is too large ?How does it come no margin call is getting bought if its too large?

Now bitcny's premium is 6.18%.  The actual price of bts is 0.3264*1.0618=0.3466.  The feed price is 0.3423.  1% lower.

The margin was not available because the premium was too high.

Why recycle bitcny when the premium is too high and bitcny is lacking?

According to the current feeding price, when the premium of bitcny reaches 3%, the system starts to recycle bitcny. this premium is too high!

I want to ask you, do you know how the 3% is calculated?

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2019, 07:36:25 pm »
1) Write a BSIP
2) Get it approved
3) Get it implemented
4) Upgrade BitShares

I have very few bitshars to want growth. this thought for the future

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2019, 06:01:01 am »
That's the purpose of MSSR. Margin calls pay MSSR% more than the fair price for covering their debt.
NO.

Then please explain what the purpose of MSSR is in your opinion.
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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2019, 10:05:18 am »
That's the purpose of MSSR. Margin calls pay MSSR% more than the fair price for covering their debt.
NO.

Then please explain what the purpose of MSSR is in your opinion.

MSSR is MSSR.

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when a margin trading company is reached, it takes -10-15% and is placed in a fund
This is not MSSR.

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2019, 06:39:06 am »
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when a margin trading company is reached, it takes -10-15% and is placed in a fund
This is not MSSR.

No, but this is:
from which they then encourage those who close the margin?

I don't see how an intermediate fund would make a difference (or how exactly this would work in the first place).
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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2019, 09:02:00 am »
The Liquidation Penalty is a fee added to the total outstanding Dai debt when a liquidation occurs, which is subtracted from a user's collateral holdings

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Re: MARGIN CALL
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2019, 07:07:54 am »
I don't see how an intermediate fund would make a difference (or how exactly this would work in the first place).
There is quite some discussion about this on telegram, lead by @clockwork. I'd like to see his proposal put on paper so there is something to discuss.

These endless discussion here on the forum where people try to tune individual parameters for what ever reason is counterproductive, IMHO
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