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firstly, it's not good to increase witness from this way.
secondly, it's a  danger action to vote like this, when you or BEOS get more vote power, BEOS could take over the chain by add many self account as active witness.
lastly, you have a misunderstanding about the vote mechanism, when there are only 21 active witness, you can't add even 1 witness when you have already vote for more than 21 witness.
on the other hand, you can't reduce even 1 witness when you have already vote for less than 21 witness.

so vote for the one you support, not a random junk account please.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 03:14:55 am by alt »

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见证人应当设置门槛的,起码要锁仓300万bts才行。

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secondly, it's a  danger action to vote like this, when you or BEOS get more vote power, BEOS could take over the chain by add many self account as active witness.
True.

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lastly, you have a misunderstanding about the vote mechanism, when there are only 21 active witness, you can't add even 1 witness when you have already vote for more than 21 witness.
on the other hand, you can't reduce even 1 witness when you have already vote for less than 21 witness.
I didn't understand.
The 21 is the weighted median of all votes, which means it is a result but not a condition or a reason, so it doesn't make sense to say "when there are only 21 then (to change the value somehow)".
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I mean when 21 is the median currently, and you vote for a number beyond 21, there are no extra use when you vote far more than 21,
it's totally the same contribution whenever you vote for  21 witness or 50 witness.
only when somebody change vote from a number below 21 to a number beyond 21, or from a number beyond 21 to below 21 can change the current active witness numbers.

I didn't understand.
The 21 is the weighted median of all votes, which means it is a result but not a condition or a reason, so it doesn't make sense to say "when there are only 21 then (to change the value somehow)".

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.

secondly, it's a  danger action to vote like this, when you or BEOS get more vote power, BEOS could take over the chain by add many self account as active witness.
True.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 04:30:52 am by alt »

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I mean when 21 is the median currently, and you vote for a number beyond 21, there are no extra use when you vote far more than 21,
it's totally the same contribution whenever you vote for  21 witness or 50 witness.
only when somebody change vote from a number below 21 to a number beyond 21, or from a number beyond 21 to below 21 can change the current active witness numbers.

I didn't understand.
The 21 is the weighted median of all votes, which means it is a result but not a condition or a reason, so it doesn't make sense to say "when there are only 21 then (to change the value somehow)".
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for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.

secondly, it's a  danger action to vote like this, when you or BEOS get more vote power, BEOS could take over the chain by add many self account as active witness.
True.
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firstly, it's not good to increase witness from this way.
secondly, it's a  danger action to vote like this, when you or BEOS get more vote power, BEOS could take over the chain by add many self account as active witness.
lastly, you have a misunderstanding about the vote mechanism, when there are only 21 active witness, you can't add even 1 witness when you have already vote for more than 21 witness.
on the other hand, you can't reduce even 1 witness when you have already vote for less than 21 witness.

so vote for the one you support, not a random junk account please.


Thank you for reminding me.

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So,we need set a threshold for the witness,the witness need lock 5M bts in the system.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 02:50:06 pm by binggo »

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So,we need set a threshold for the witness,the witness need lock 500M bts in the system.

wtf?

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So,we need set a threshold for the witness,the witness need lock 500M bts in the system.

wtf?
5M ;)

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So,we need set a threshold for the witness,the witness need lock 5M bts in the system.
Agree to lock

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A 5M lock at current price is $250,000

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agree to lock 5m bts in order to be an active  witness

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Agree to lock 100M

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Agree to lock 100M

So your solution to avoid the threat of centralisation caused by one entity controlling 300m stake is to make it so only THAT entity can run a witness and thus totally ensure it happens.

Good job. Much logic.

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Agree.  Witnesses must be in agreement with bts holders.  Rather than being indifferent to bts.

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Agree to lock 100M

So your solution to avoid the threat of centralisation caused by one entity controlling 300m stake is to make it so only THAT entity can run a witness and thus totally ensure it happens.

Good job. Much logic.

THIS ^^^ lol

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lol...

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Please cancel the voting of clockwork. He often does not adjust the price in time.

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Please cancel the voting of clockwork. He often does not adjust the price in time.

Can we see somewhere specific rule written on what is the exact time requirement on a fix of external exchange ? Without such terms there should be no reason for vote removal.
I haven't seen any witness being removed during enforced price feed on BitUSD for BSIP42 by Jerry or anyone taking responsibility going against written document (Still there) that it should NOT BE APPLIED to bitUSD due to liquidity and lack of expertise on economics of it (data analysis).

Stop this witch hunt. Be human. We can all be nasty and say nasty things to each other. Doesn't helps to anything or anyone.

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I don't target anyone. As long as he can deliver the feed price in a timely and timely manner, you need to know that the feed price is for the benefit of all bts. If the feed price is unfair, all the people who hold the bts will be damaged.

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UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.

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now beos began to show his power, he voted in a dead witness which didn't active 1 year,
Code: [Select]
wackou #25,446,974 last year 1343 388,144,015 BTS
and he voted in the cheater witness crazybit again.
he can vote in these junk witness because bitcrab, xeroc, cn-vote, clockwork have support more than 25 witnesses.
so be carefull, Bitshares is in a situation of big centralize risk.
if you want to vote out these junk witess, make sure you vote for max 21 witness.
and I suggest withdraw proxy to bitcrab, which still vote for almost 30 witness after this mention.

UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 09:01:20 pm by alt »

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now, beos vote in another dead witness which are not available for 2 years.
this is a joke of DPOS.
Code: [Select]
25 jerryliu #17,808,740 2 years ago 6464 367,891,309 BTS

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now, beos vote in another dead witness which are not available for 2 years.
this is a joke of DPOS.
Code: [Select]
25 jerryliu #17,808,740 2 years ago 6464 367,891,309 BTS

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now beos began to show his power, he voted in a dead witness which didn't active 1 year,
Code: [Select]
wackou #25,446,974 last year 1343 388,144,015 BTS
and he voted in the cheater witness crazybit again.
he can vote in these junk witness because bitcrab, xeroc, cn-vote, clockwork have support more than 25 witnesses.
so be carefull, Bitshares is in a situation of big centralize risk.
if you want to vote out these junk witess, make sure you vote for max 21 witness.
and I suggest withdraw proxy to bitcrab, which still vote for almost 30 witness after this mention.

UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.

edited down to 23.

Keep forgetting people have set me as a proxy (although I never asked for it) and thus have more weight than I realise

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now beos began to show his power, he voted in a dead witness which didn't active 1 year,
Code: [Select]
wackou #25,446,974 last year 1343 388,144,015 BTS
and he voted in the cheater witness crazybit again.
he can vote in these junk witness because bitcrab, xeroc, cn-vote, clockwork have support more than 25 witnesses.
so be carefull, Bitshares is in a situation of big centralize risk.
if you want to vote out these junk witess, make sure you vote for max 21 witness.
and I suggest withdraw proxy to bitcrab, which still vote for almost 30 witness after this mention.

UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.
Max 21?

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for now,
if you vote for more than 25 witness, beos can vote in 14 self account as witness and take over the main chain.
if you vote for more than 13 witness suppose it is x, beos can vote in (x-13) self account as witness.

And beos have already voted in 4 witness which almost don't have any other's support, if you want to vote out these 4 witness, you need to reduce witness account to 21.

in fact Bitshare have almost faile in the centralize situation because of beos vote with others shares.
I encourage everyone withdraw BTS from them, because beos never support BTS community, they only support BTS holders who obey to  stan.
those any project benifit BTS but not obey to stan will be against by them.

now beos began to show his power, he voted in a dead witness which didn't active 1 year,
Code: [Select]
wackou #25,446,974 last year 1343 388,144,015 BTS
and he voted in the cheater witness crazybit again.
he can vote in these junk witness because bitcrab, xeroc, cn-vote, clockwork have support more than 25 witnesses.
so be carefull, Bitshares is in a situation of big centralize risk.
if you want to vote out these junk witess, make sure you vote for max 21 witness.
and I suggest withdraw proxy to bitcrab, which still vote for almost 30 witness after this mention.

UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.
Max 21?
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 08:47:11 am by alt »

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Off-topic for this thread, I would like to mention that there exists a BSIP that would allow trustless and non-custodial onboarding (which could also be used for BEOS). Please have a look here

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0057.md

Comments and feedback welcome here

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27361.0

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for now,
if you vote for more than 25 witness, beos can vote in 14 self account as witness and take over the main chain.
if you vote for more than 13 witness suppose it is x, beos can vote in (x-13) self account as witness.

And beos have already voted in 4 witness which almost don't have any other's support, if you want to vote out these 4 witness, you need to reduce witness account to 21.

in fact Bitshare have almost faile in the centralize situation because of beos vote with others shares.
I encourage everyone withdraw BTS from them, because beos never support BTS community, they only support BTS holders who obey to  stan.
those any project benifit BTS but not obey to stan will be against by them.

now beos began to show his power, he voted in a dead witness which didn't active 1 year,
Code: [Select]
wackou #25,446,974 last year 1343 388,144,015 BTS
and he voted in the cheater witness crazybit again.
he can vote in these junk witness because bitcrab, xeroc, cn-vote, clockwork have support more than 25 witnesses.
so be carefull, Bitshares is in a situation of big centralize risk.
if you want to vote out these junk witess, make sure you vote for max 21 witness.
and I suggest withdraw proxy to bitcrab, which still vote for almost 30 witness after this mention.

UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.
Max 21?
Get it

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for now,
if you vote for more than 25 witness, beos can vote in 14 self account as witness and take over the main chain.
if you vote for more than 13 witness suppose it is x, beos can vote in (x-13) self account as witness.

And beos have already voted in 4 witness which almost don't have any other's support, if you want to vote out these 4 witness, you need to reduce witness account to 21.

in fact Bitshare have almost faile in the centralize situation because of beos vote with others shares.
I encourage everyone withdraw BTS from them, because beos never support BTS community, they only support BTS holders who obey to  stan.
those any project benifit BTS but not obey to stan will be against by them.

now beos began to show his power, he voted in a dead witness which didn't active 1 year,
Code: [Select]
wackou #25,446,974 last year 1343 388,144,015 BTS
and he voted in the cheater witness crazybit again.
he can vote in these junk witness because bitcrab, xeroc, cn-vote, clockwork have support more than 25 witnesses.
so be carefull, Bitshares is in a situation of big centralize risk.
if you want to vote out these junk witess, make sure you vote for max 21 witness.
and I suggest withdraw proxy to bitcrab, which still vote for almost 30 witness after this mention.

UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.
Max 21?
Get it
edited down to 21

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edited down to 21
very good, seems your change decrease the witness number to 21, although beos have vote for 26 witness.