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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2014, 09:52:29 pm »
back to zero balance again wow. i'm glad I didn't invest a lot.

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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2014, 09:58:56 pm »
Yes, NXT still has not released any recent source code.  If you would like to look at the code of the AE then AFAIK you are shit out of luck.  (Yes you can decompile it, but one can decompile *ANY* code and that doesn't make it open source.)  Please correct me if wrong.  Atcually I'm not sure how the alternative wallets were made ?  Off published spec?  Anyone know ?

As much as the open source model hurts some, it has come to be expected in crypto-currency world.  Anyone should be able to see why...

NXT's DACs are not DACs by any stretch.  Remove the A and it would be a far closer fit.  I applaud them for that direction, but there is nothing autonomous that I see.
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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2014, 10:01:30 pm »
back to zero balance again wow. i'm glad I didn't invest a lot.

Wait what ?  How could it be ?

And people blame Dan for taking time to test !!

If the BCNext guy wrote most of the code before asking for donations then that was the smartest move of them all.  Does anyone know which forum that thread is on ?
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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2014, 10:08:29 pm »
I don't know but I'm done I wash my hands of NXT.

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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2014, 10:29:28 pm »
Yes, NXT still has not released any recent source code.  If you would like to look at the code of the AE then AFAIK you are shit out of luck.  (Yes you can decompile it, but one can decompile *ANY* code and that doesn't make it open source.)  Please correct me if wrong.  Atcually I'm not sure how the alternative wallets were made ?  Off published spec?  Anyone know ?

As much as the open source model hurts some, it has come to be expected in crypto-currency world.  Anyone should be able to see why...

NXT's DACs are not DACs by any stretch.  Remove the A and it would be a far closer fit.  I applaud them for that direction, but there is nothing autonomous that I see.
What are you for real, nxt still hasn't opensourced their code?

I admit I didn't look into it, but there was this big announcement and hubbub on the bitcointalk-thread how they had finally released all source-code with 3 major flaws and a bounty for the person who could find them. In the crypto-currency/equity-world for me open-source is fundamental even-though I'm just a white belt in code-fu and I would not be able to find any real flaws, I'd still advise anyone against trusting in security through obscurity. After Snowden that security model has been definitively proven as flawed and unusable. I figured I'd give nxt a little time and see how it would stand up to the scrutiny of the usual peer-review process, but if it is not open-source it should be avoided like the bubonic plague.

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Very odd though, because bluemeanie was raging on bitcointalk about how Ethereum wasn't opensource and hadn't released any of the real important code proving that their design and security could work.
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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2014, 10:38:55 pm »
Yes, NXT still has not released any recent source code.  If you would like to look at the code of the AE then AFAIK you are shit out of luck.  (Yes you can decompile it, but one can decompile *ANY* code and that doesn't make it open source.)  Please correct me if wrong.  Atcually I'm not sure how the alternative wallets were made ?  Off published spec?  Anyone know ?

As much as the open source model hurts some, it has come to be expected in crypto-currency world.  Anyone should be able to see why...

NXT's DACs are not DACs by any stretch.  Remove the A and it would be a far closer fit.  I applaud them for that direction, but there is nothing autonomous that I see.
What are you for real, nxt still hasn't opensourced their code?

I admit I didn't look into it, but there was this big announcement and hubbub on the bitcointalk-thread how they had finally released all source-code with 3 major flaws and a bounty for the person who could find them. In the crypto-currency/equity-world for me open-source is fundamental even-though I'm just a white belt in code-fu and I would not be able to find any real flaws, I'd still advise anyone against trusting in security through obscurity. After Snowden that security model has been definitively proven as flawed and unusable. I figured I'd give nxt a little time and see how it would stand up to the scrutiny of the usual peer-review process, but if it is not open-source it should be avoided like the bubonic plague.

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Very odd though, because bluemeanie was raging on bitcointalk about how Ethereum wasn't opensource and hadn't released any of the real important code proving that their security could work.

I said recent.  By recent I mean any 1.x version of the code. No doubt they have released some code but I do not think it would even work on today's network. 

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2014, 10:43:14 pm »
I said recent.  By recent I mean any 1.x version of the code. No doubt they have released some code but I do not think it would even work on today's network. 
Damn, I can't believe I missed that. That completely destroys any sympathy I had for the project and I'm very glad you brought that point up. That's another project I had some hope for down the drain.

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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2014, 10:54:29 pm »
I said recent.  By recent I mean any 1.x version of the code. No doubt they have released some code but I do not think it would even work on today's network. 
Damn, I can't believe I missed that. That completely destroys any sympathy I had for the project and I'm very glad you brought that point up. That's another project I had some hope for down the drain.

Do not quote me on that though. That was just my impression after a brief inspection.  So correct me if I'm wrong please.  They're going to make sure that all the currency forks are behind them.  It is not particularly wrong but it really isn't the same as a true open source project. I only bring these things up in defense of bitshares and their model. I think nxt is cool tech just not really competing with bts/pts.

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2014, 11:23:08 pm »
I said recent.  By recent I mean any 1.x version of the code. No doubt they have released some code but I do not think it would even work on today's network. 
Damn, I can't believe I missed that. That completely destroys any sympathy I had for the project and I'm very glad you brought that point up. That's another project I had some hope for down the drain.

Do not quote me on that though. That was just my impression after a brief inspection.  So correct me if I'm wrong please.  They're going to make sure that all the currency forks are behind them.  It is not particularly wrong but it really isn't the same as a true open source project. I only bring these things up in defense of bitshares and their model. I think nxt is cool tech just not really competing with bts/pts.
Don't worry I'll do my own research, I try to not make a habit of blaming others for my own mistakes. I'm too tired and strapped for time at the moment, but this one is pretty high up my priorities list now.

I was very enthusiastic about their tech as well, although I'm not very fond of their Java-dependence and single-blockchain-philosophy. I also agree that they are not a competitor for bitshares, I saw them as competitor to projects like Ethereum, mastercoin and counterparty and very much ahead in the game. However if I find that what you said is true then NXT is at best a dead-end in my point of view, and that's putting it very nicely indeed. I'll get back to you, as soon as I find anything. I'm suddenly starting to remember hearing people complain about not being able to find the source-code, white-papers or documentation, so I'm starting to fear that you are right and I was just not paying close enough attention.
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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2014, 01:46:51 am »
It is interesting how the expectations of users vary on here.

I wholeheartedly agree, and it is something which I constantly have to remind myself of.  I don't view bitshares as a way to make money.  I am actually much more interested in the products.  If the derivatives traded on BTSX can ever gain acceptance as a form of payment that would be world shattering.  if .p2p can ensure me that I know who I am talking to online.  If keyhotee can encrypt it without my having to get on the phone to explain to my friends/family how to decrypt it.  If lotto can let me satiate the gambling bug that sometimes comes out.  I like making money as much as the next guy, but I'm much more interested in transacting privately, communicating securely, and I, well I guess gambling.

When Netflix first came out with their streaming media offering I wrote them a letter.  In this letter I explained that I had been pirating for many years.  I explained that i had "stolen" Tens of thousands of dollars of "Intellectual Property" not because I couldn't afford it (although I really couldn't at the time) but because the pirated product was of a higher quality than the purchasable one.  I didn't have to deal with DRM locking up my box, or installing rootkits, or limiting my copy or playback.  I did however have to deal with securing my box from the haxxors, (IMHO an easier feat than managing the DRM malware) and managing my own storage.   Then Netflix came along, and allowed me to stream directly from their servers without having to worry about any of that crap.  I no longer had to watch my hard drive and delete old crap.  I no longer had to worry about if I'd thoroughly vetted sCenE_ReleASe_pRime_TRio_ReloaDED.  I just pressed the fucking button.  And all they wanted for this was $8 a month.  I thought it was a fucking steal.  I wrote them for finally competing against piracy on the quality front.  After that I of course asked them to rethink their entire DRM strategy (cause I can't just pull from buffer) and to include support for Nix boxes, but I think you get the point.    ....Oh the point...

To me Bitshares allows us to compete with all sorts of centralized robbery schemes.  Whether that be government, or multinational conglomerate corporations.  You pick your poison (although I do ask you which you would find more concerning.  having government goons (PD/FBI/ATF/IRS/DEA(and yes I did a bracket within a bracket within a bracket)) or a directTV salesman knocking at your door.)  It allows us to compete in the eyes of the average moron that still believes that Romney vs Obama was an actual choice.

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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2014, 07:37:13 am »
Is this supposed to be the open-source code for nxt?

I've looked around a bit and I am worried that I was unable to find a single comment anywhere.  While I know there are people who believe in the maxim of good code speaks for itself and doesn't need comments, I'm not particularly convinced that code is able to convey it's intended purpose or reasoning behind it's design.

I'll dig around a bit more, but you are right that it is hard to find any real information on the source code. I did find a lot of Lego mindstorms code and discussions of people interested in the nxt-code having to receive a personal invitation before being able to get access to the git-repository. I also haven't been able to find the mailing lists or any other place where development discussion is taking place. So, until I'm able to find more, I have to agree with your assessment that NXT is not actually as open-source as I previously believed and my enthusiasm about it has cooled down considerably.

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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2014, 07:59:48 am »
Afaik JeanLukes repo IS the official one .. he is core dev.
What i do not know is wheather AE is part of the sources ... but my guesa would be yes

Edit: taking a look at the commits shows AE commits .... total sources seem to be open source
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2014, 09:09:29 am »
JeanLucPicard is from the NXT generation of starships yeah.

I've cloned the git repo, but still was unable to find any comments. I've got a terrible memory so trying to trace around the code and classes is difficult for me and I quickly lose track. Do you happen to know where the nxt-devs hangout and talk shop? Forensic analysis of code is not my forte and even that is quite an understatement.

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Re: NXT online wallet
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2014, 09:34:12 am »
Nxtforum.org ? also r/NXT at reddit is quit active
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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2014, 09:52:21 am »

Well it appears I was spreading FUD.  I remember in the past few days looking at a NXT wiki and seeing links to 0.8.6 and some other previous version.  Perhaps the git repo of JeanLuc was also there, but I didn't realize it was the working git repo.  I've went back now and don't see what I recall previously, (only links to jeanluc's repo).   It wasn't important at all so I didn't put any time into the matter..   Thank you for investigating it JoeyD.
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