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Shouldn't the current focus be on making the BTSX wallet work flawlessly, and getting online wallet/mobile wallet/cold wallet/POS support? I really hope this open bazaar debate is not going to take the focus off our current biggest issue, which is most definitely the wallet and usability situation.
Quote from: OldMan on October 14, 2014, 08:32:17 pmMinimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.Working on something bigger.... and better for everyone.
Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.
Quote from: OldMan on October 14, 2014, 08:32:17 pmQuote from: Troglodactyl on October 14, 2014, 12:26:57 pmQuote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 amI started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form. I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads. That is a non-starter for the masses. 2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads. 3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality. The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies. Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD.... Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.This - why not offer to help them build a DAC if they agree to honour the social contract for AGS/PTS holders?Utilize the OB dev team that is in place, supply high-level oversight from the I3 team.Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.Win win for the whole world.Working on something bigger.... and better for everyone.
Quote from: Troglodactyl on October 14, 2014, 12:26:57 pmQuote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 amI started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form. I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads. That is a non-starter for the masses. 2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads. 3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality. The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies. Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD.... Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.This - why not offer to help them build a DAC if they agree to honour the social contract for AGS/PTS holders?Utilize the OB dev team that is in place, supply high-level oversight from the I3 team.Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.Win win for the whole world.
Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 amI started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form. I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads. That is a non-starter for the masses. 2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads. 3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality. The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies. Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD.... Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.
I started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form. I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads. That is a non-starter for the masses. 2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads. 3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality. The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies. Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD.... Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.
BitShares SquareBitShares PlazaBitShares FairBitShares CarnivalBitShares Jubilee BitShares Tepee Orbit by BitSharesJust thinking loud about possible names ^^
...I personally would not like anything like this in BTSX itself, not that I am against it but I think it may open up delegates to some type of government retribution. I know I personally would want to resign from being a delegate if we put it on the BTSX chain. That is why I prefer this being a completely separate entity a la Open Bazaar or a separate DAC.
you forgot the obvious:BitShares BazaarBitBazaar
BitShares Market:
Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 amI started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form. I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads. That is a non-starter for the masses. 2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads. 3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality. The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies. Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD.... Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.Cool lets do it! And we shall name it Bitshares Market lolBut seriously if this could be done this would be a huge boost for bitUSD. I think why it will be hard to convince people to accept bitUSD is it has no track record. Having OB accept it would give it a track record. Now if we could make a DAC that competes with OB and accepts bitUSD from day 1 that would be HUGE!
Not that we want to be linked with criminals but would a BitShares approach to this allow users to buy anything they want?I know the idea behind Dark Market/open bazaar was to allow people to purchase what they think they want, not what their nanny state says they can have.Are we talking about Something that requires TOR? Or a regular BitShares blockchain?Or maybe a Nice store with an TOR section "You may only browse this section with TOR"Either way, exciting! This is JUST the type of DAC BitShares needs to jump on. Merchants could even issue out "stock" in their online retail store and use the buy back mechanism BitShares Music plans to use to return value to artistcoin holders/ retail store stockholders.Merchants that sell a kickass product could do that, and incentivize people to share their link or whatever.
Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.
Remember what caused the first bitcoin bubble to 30 usd? That's why OB will become ridiculously huge.
Quote from: CoinHoarder on October 13, 2014, 10:38:44 pmQuote from: sschechter on October 13, 2014, 10:29:30 pmQuote from: roadkill on October 13, 2014, 10:23:36 pm3) In late August they said they don't have a funding plan but will think of oneI wonder what the success rate is for prior companies to make that statement....OpenBazaar is not a company, it is open source non-profit freeware.I wonder what the success rate is for open source non-profit freeware projects that don't have a funding plan...
Quote from: sschechter on October 13, 2014, 10:29:30 pmQuote from: roadkill on October 13, 2014, 10:23:36 pm3) In late August they said they don't have a funding plan but will think of oneI wonder what the success rate is for prior companies to make that statement....OpenBazaar is not a company, it is open source non-profit freeware.
Quote from: roadkill on October 13, 2014, 10:23:36 pm3) In late August they said they don't have a funding plan but will think of oneI wonder what the success rate is for prior companies to make that statement....
3) In late August they said they don't have a funding plan but will think of one
I finally got around to looking at their site and have come to the conclusion that their offering is not likely to be user friendly and this will inhibit adoption.Some basic questions before I pass final judgement:1) Who hosts the listings, in particular the images.2) How are listings indexed / sorted / filtered? Is it a DHT? 3) How do they plan to fund long term growth?4) How is auction status updated? Does it support auctions or just craigslist style ads?