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Today we added "Employee Tracking" to BlockPOS so that Employees can just use their Bitshares account name to login to the POS with, be able to process sales, returns, refunds and exchanges (and the merchant can see which employee screwed the customer over). I have also made it so that Employees of the company can login with just their PIN or now a Draw Pattern (but Employees must now at least have a Bitshares account name registered on the blockchain).
 
These features are also being added to the new Smartcoins Wallet and POS systems, starting on Monday morning:
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@kenCode/smartcoins-wallet-v1-2-

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I would like to see Rate limited fees, Autobridging, Maker/Taker, Negative Fees, Smartcoin Park rates, Bond Market, MetaTrader Integration, Trading Bots first and then Stealth and possibly sidechains.  I made this post to say why I don't want them, but if the community thinks it is fine to add them and everyone agrees then I will step back and I will still join the coin offering. I would also like to see improvements on the voting mechanisms based on the Dash voting model and I definitely want to see contracts being implemented.
We need to act soon. Waves are a direct competitors, of unknown quality, however they have 16MUSD and they can definitely learn from the past mistakes of each crypto... For the features I mentioned we need about 300.000$ to 500.000$, if we consider the work needed to be done on the GUI.

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First STEALTH FBA offering, then Worker to fund the ICO offering, then milestone-projects for all of our top requests. Once that third step is reached we will run a Poll to find out which features to knock out first. I'll put the Poll on steemit.com too of course.

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Maybe I missunderstood how FBA works. I had in mind that when you own an FBA you have a % of each Tx fee from the feature you paid for.

As an example, if someone would fund stealth, he would benefit from each Tx fee on stealth transfer (ex : 20% for BTS / 80% for him )Besides having his FBA worth its speculative value from the market and beeing able to sell it anytime.


Exactly, if we sell off some of the STEALTH FBA, then those Stealth holders will get rewarded for every token they hold, for every stealth transaction that is processed, by everyone interacting with our chain.

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What if Bts Munich (or anyone wanting to step up) set up a worker of 3-5k (tiny sum, would be voted for sure) to pay for expenses to set up a ICO campain to sell a global FBA that would support development for blinded Tx, Stealth, bond market, rate limitex fee ... ).

Now this idea I like. I could use the worker to set everything up rather quickly too, I can get quite a bit done with just minimal capital.
 

Bitshares Munich seem to be able to do A LOT with small funds. We don't need to gather millions.

You just made my day with that comment, thank you Estefan :)
 

We would have an ICO with goals, a simple list of features by money gathered.
ICO : 50k > blinded Tx and rate limited Tx
ICO : 100k > + stealth
ICO : 150k > + bond market
... and so on.

As you guys already know, I milestone every job I undertake so this is a given. We would not need that much money though, but I see how we could break all of this up into an ongoing milestones-project. Don't forget recurring/scheduled payments, margin trading and lots of tools for pro-traders, enough to snag them away from the likes of polo, thinkorswim, etc.
 

With the right campain, it would be easy to collect 500k. Ppl nowadays jumps on any ICO that looks promising. Besides the FBA token would be tradable right after the ICO, it's a fast way to make money if the FBA token increase in value after the ICO (for a investor perspective)
The other benefit is this campain would get the attention on BitShares, on FBA (very good thing) and finally ppl would expect the market cap to grow in response of amazing features added (this expetation would  increase the market cap).

 +5% +5% chris and rodrigo are handling all of the financials and legal stuff. we're on it.

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I was talking about development in general. I wanted bigger ICO so that we can develop all the features we want to and we need to.

Me too. We will reveal more about this in the coming weeks.
 

A quick fix would be to create OPENStealth as an FBA and have Openledger as escrow or something like that.

We already have a STEALTH FBA that we will be using.
 

Again I am gonna wait and see your plan about adding Ring Signatures to the game.

Every contact, competing product, available technology for this is still on the table. I am following every lead and doing serious R&D on each so that when we finally have the path paved properly we can get down it much faster and easier.
 

Imagine the blockchain bloat if we add Ring Signature in BitShares
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But without money we can't do anything. No money, no honey.

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I am probably not going to ultimately use RingCT. I think we can combine CN and CCT (one timers and compact conf tx (h/t Blockstream)), radically reducing the space that is needed and then dump proof of square this way. We are still working this out, but this just might be the ticket.

What is CN?

One time rings which mix the senders identities for untraceability
 

And I believe Compact Confidential Transactions were broken.

Right now I think that is just hearsay by btctalk "Poloniex Matthew" (a btctalk newbie)
 
Have you looked at Zerocash (https://z.cash)? Hiding who you are, where you are connected etc might be a lot easier if we can somehow use their method for the mixing stage.


From my limited understanding of Zerocash (zk-SNARKs wtf?) it doesn't have very good performance, and does it still require a trusted setup? If so, that is a non-starter to me.

True, speed is a major issue with me. It's one of the many reasons I chose Bitshares (even when we had 10 second blocks). Their mixing technology though looks so far to be the most superior, so I would like to dig deeper into this and just use what we need. There have been some ideas brought to me that may solve all of the speed issues.
 
blinded transactions are not just a detour or even a "half-way" towards stealth transactions. We ultimately want to support both methods, IMO, but blinded transactions are 1) easier to use, 2) not prone to losses, and 3) easier to implement. It would be difficult for me to support a worker that favors supporting stealth before supporting blind transactions. I would like to see a lower cost worker created for blinded transactions first, then a higher cost worker created to support stealth after blinded transactions have been successfully implemented.

Interesting, but you guys know a Worker is not cheap and for me it is very risky to start some of my guys on this and have the funding get yanked out because of the non-dilute guys. $45K was no small amount, but at least all the core code is done, now we just need the GUI. Hiding the sender/receiver stage 1. Hiding the amounts stage 2. Mixing and masking stage 3. Rudimentary, but would you vote for something like that? My guys don't cost as much and of course I would try to get CNX and others to do the audits on all of our code too (plus I will put it on my github as usual).
 

We need both simple blinded transfers (with no hiding of metadata) and also a great stealth system
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building a GUI for simple blinded transfers is a much easier problem, so I expect it to be completed first.

Ok, so if we break this up in stages, milestones if you will, could we get this Worker funded? If so, I will get on the job description and milestones asap and present it to the community for a vote. I just worry about the anti-dilute crowd, I do not want to waste time or money on a project that just gets stalled again.
 

On the funding side, would anyone consider doing an ICO-type funding?

Yes, BitShares Munich
 

ICOs seem to attract a lot of attention recently and raising 500.000 especially for an established project wouldn't be that hard.

Jeez well you wouldn't believe how far I can stretch even 10K.

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BM after he decided that the current GUI implementation of stealth was too problematic, I came to the conclusion that what we really need at the moment is simply "blinded transactions" and I think this should be the immediate focus.

I think the problem was money and time. He is way too focused on Steem right now guys to work on Stealth which is why BitShares Munich team is going to finish that project. Chris and Rodrigo are bringing whales, and whales want privacy. Marketing such an important product like Stealth however will need to include all the things that the competition, media and trolls in the comments would fire at us saying "hahaha look they are releasing a half assed product!" Instead, I'm choosing to take a bit more time and do it right the first time.
 
First Mover Advantage. Give the world something that it so sorely desires, do it right the first time, and market the hell out of it so that when the world sees it, they shut the f*ck up and say "ok, now this is cool". Total anonymity, total untraceability, ring sig, automated backups via ipfs/ipns, super tight integration with graphene-ui and ease of use, so easy in fact that Savers and Whales actually WANT to use it. I will not settle for anything less. I can take us a long way with this even with a little bit of funding so it only makes sense to spend the funds on the proper path instead of a "just do it this way for now" approach.
 
This should also include changes to the GUI to automatically backup the old memo key onto the blockchain (not IPFS, don't worry it's not a lot of data to backup) any time the memo key is changed. It should be backed up in a way such that the new memo key can retrieve the old memo key (at least the last known one at the time of the change), so some with the latest memo key can follow the chain of backups on the blockchain and recover all memo keys that had been active for the account. It should also be possible to retrieve the latest memo key using the current owner key (at least for scenarios where there is a single owner key that can have owner authority) so that someone can recover full access to their account using just the owner key (or actually brain key).

I prefer not to store data on our blockchain, hence my IPFS preference.
 

I need to continue thinking about and working on my ideas for the stealth design and I will post a write up when I can.

We plan to start the fundraiser in the next week or two, but if you could help us @arhag it would be greatly appreciated, the bigger my network on this one the better.
 

But I will give a basic overview. First, it requires Monero's RingCT cryptography by Shen Noether. This cryptography allows linkable ring signatures that work with blinded values (Pedersen commitments). But instead of using this cryptography to just pay a stealth balance to a recipient directly, the cryptography is used only for decentralized on-blockchain coin-mixing. The main reason is to reduce the risk of lost funds due to no recent backup. In my system, the amount and sender are hidden, but the recipient is not.

I am probably not going to ultimately use RingCT. I think we can combine CN and CCT (one timers and compact conf tx (h/t Blockstream)), radically reducing the space that is needed and then dump proof of square this way. We are still working this out, but this just might be the ticket.
 

Holding multiple active stealth balances at a time allows a sender to, with high likelihood, have enough funds available to send without needing to wait for the coin-mixing process. The nature of the coin mixing process means that someone can follow the chain of coin mixing steps in an efficient way and retrieve all of their active stealth balances starting from a root set originating from their public account (i.e bandwidth-efficient restore from only a brain key for a light client is possible even if the user has active stealth balances), and yet the public cannot do the same thus keeping the identity of the owner of each stealth balance private.

Have you looked at Zerocash (https://z.cash)? Hiding who you are, where you are connected etc might be a lot easier if we can somehow use their method for the mixing stage.

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I would also like to hear from @kenCode about his Stealth plans. A few days ago he said that we should be expecting an announcement soon. @arhag just said that there is a good way to add privacy via another way. Have there been discussions between the two of you?

We are still working on the job description so that we know what's done, what's not, what I want to add to Stealth (ring sigs, possibly CN/CT or a combo of both), ipfs/ipns and who my confirmed network of consultants will be. I have an experienced cryptographer on my side but he's not cheap (even for Turkish labor) as well as a nice sized crew savvy enough with graphene-ui, graphene and ipfs/ipns.
 
@arhag I am interested in seeing every possible way we could do this. Stealth can whip monero, dash, zcash and the lot of them if we do this right. Leaving nothing for the competition to point at.
 
Even with Tor and I2P support (please Lord give us global meshnet soon!), you have to think about the NSA and what sort of crypto tools they might be able to employ to crack Stealth. Whales want privacy so Stealth has got to set the new standard.

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Another great article why smart coins would be great for businesses.  No ability for civil asset forfeiture.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-08/how-irs-used-civil-asset-forfeiture-ruin-lives-two-connecticut-bakers

yeah, especially once we finish Stealth :)

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Very nice @ccedk +5%
I think there is one small typo though, as the open.pos asset should be corrected to show as openpos (without the dot).
Other than that, it looks like your assets are making some great progress, congrats! :)

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I've been looking into OPENPOS, sounds like an interesting UIA, the only concern I have is that the option "override_authority: ISSUER MAY TRANSFER ASSET BACK TO HIMSELF" flag is enabled - does this not mean you can recall all OPENPOS from holders in the future?  :-\

CCEDK/Openledger is the creator of the OPENPOS token and I have full faith in him that he would not do such a thing. He also has a good reputation here in the Bitshares community. Just let @Chris4210 know if you're interested and thank you!

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According to @kenCode, stealth needs funding, but I still don’t see any proposal about the backups. Isn’t there anyone that would like to make a proposal for this very important feature, so that we can progress with stealth afterwards? Because I am feeling that part of the reason we are stuck with Stealth is that there were 3 more things that had to be done on Bitshares before adding stealth which were not considered appropriately in terms of funding.

Hi @tarantulaz :)
Yes, Stealth needs funding and we will be presenting a plan for this in the next few days I think, watch for it in the General thread.
IPFS will be used and I am now confident that we can finish the work that was started. The last few weeks my team has been getting very savvy with graphene, ipfs/ipns and all the other repos with existing tools that we can use for this. Anyway, watch for the announcement there and I will also post it to Steemit.com.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] Chronos Crypto videos
« on: June 05, 2016, 07:47:25 am »
Thank you all for your support. The first video has been released, highlighting some of the key features that make Bitshares stand out from other blockchain technologies.

Watch it now: Intro to Bitshares

Great work!
Upvoted on YT & Tweeted: https://twitter.com/kenCode_de/status/739362567693422592

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It is unreasonable to assume that current conditions will persist. Steemit.com's user base is growing exponentially. And with that comes great potential. From a Steemit post:

Imagine Apple and McDonalds buying Steem Power

"Where Steem comes in, is in the area of journalism and media. With ad-blocking on the rise and advertisers no longer willing to do expensive advertising campaigns, a model of media underpinned with a blockchain might be the answer. I can imagine Apple and McDonalds and other buying Steem Power to upvote any viral story that made their brands look good. I can see political parties doing the same, ditto pressure groups. Imagine the money that could be made at election time - in fact I think we should contact the Dems and GOP and ask them if they want to vote stuff up!

Steemit could be a new way of monetizing content - instead of the reader having to put up with ads, the advertiser simply purchases Steem Power and sets a bot to upvote any post that mentions their brand."

Bingo.  +5% +5% +5% +5% +5%

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If I was a rich guy and wanted to park my money and assets somewhere safe, would I choose the BitShares blockchain? Or would I be a bit skiddish knowing that my assets and such would be visible on cryptofresh.com? Even sending money to people is easily visible.
 
edit: the only features we are going to add to BitShares right now is Stealth (as soon as we can afford it). Stealth is already done for the most part but it just needs an awesome gui plugged in and secure backups (we use IPFS/IPNS now). you want Whales? -give them some privacy.

Yeah, stealth is ok as well... although privacy concerned people would use a username like "bgd67eydh" to park their stuff... In bitcoin addresses are also visible and are used... if you use a handle like "kenCode" everybody knows it is you... but it was your choice. Everybody knows what Satoshi has in Bitcoin, but does somebody know who he is? No.

How much is missing in Stealth in terms of months? (If you say money is missing, if there is no money and it does not arrive, then perhaps never?)

Money and probably less than 4 months with testnet success.

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