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I would love to speak at the conference! My goal is to speak about the future of decentralised gaming applications and present my DAC to the community. I am still finalising draft proposals to submit to the shark tank.

I will be in touch during the following weeks.

Will you be honoring the social contract?

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I can see the concept better transmitted with something like this: http://www.flash-usb-drive.com/index.php/products

Perhaps in a very targeted campaign.

This actually would be better. But what about videos?
Maybe add truecrypt too.

How about this one? http://www.flash-usb-drive.com/index.php/products/drives/custom-metal-card

$5.35 each, so $53,500 and you can ship to 10,000 people. That is a pretty good deal if done right.


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From TED talks (pretty random):

James B. Glattfelder: Who Controls the World
Geoff Mulgan: Post-Crash, Investing in a Better World
Richard Wilkinson: How Economic Inequality Harms Societies
Peter Eigen: How to Expose the Corrupt
Laurie Santos: A Monkey Economy as Irrational as Our Own
Rachel Botsman: The Currency of the New Economy is Trust
Yochai Benkler: The New Open Source Economics
Robert Neuwirth: The Power of the Informal Economy
Auret van Heerden: Making Global Labor Fair
Geoffrey West: The Surprising Math of Cities and Corporations
Rob Harmon: How the Market Can Keep Streams Flowing


How about Adriana Lukas? We need more women speakers and she's an expert in peer to peer networks. See her speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNwn49YuFa0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TZ7jEyaVFE

Someone contact her and invite her:
https://twitter.com/adriana872
Email: adriana@bigblog.net
Skype: adriana872

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General Discussion / Re: Intro Video Script for website: thoughts?
« on: March 10, 2014, 09:19:10 pm »
I like this very much.

My one caveat is that having: "add in employees" "show them each going poof"
"and give all the money saved to the customers?"
will open up of an attack vector by vested interests.

Political enemies of our innovations might make hay with that by spotlighting the disruptive side of this opportunity.
 
FOX News, CNN, et al are very adept at capitalizing on opportunities for spreading FUD.

I say be bold. Let them attack it.

But I also say we should highlight the fact that you can work for DACs or at least participate and earn shares in some of them. It's an error to make it look like a closed loop system where you just have the digital company, pure profit, and customers. That might be the ideal but it would be dishonest to present it as if that is what it is.

I think we need to be bold about the fact that it's disruptive and proud of it because younger generations want that, while at the same time understand that not everyone is a customer with money. Some people will have to find a way to earn their way into the system and we want to figure out how to show that in the video even if briefly. We have to consider that a large portion of the people viewing the video now and increasingly into the future will graduate into a recession.

So how about we add in removing the boss as the main employee that gets removed. That one addition to the video would counter every political attack. It all depends on which employees you show being removed, if it's the boss and the management, you present this as money saved being passed to the user/customer then you'll be able to market to the little guy. I put emphasis on user/customer because not everyone is immediately going to buy Bitshares and you don't want to make it seem like the only way is to spend $100 because you could end up with a situation where people start saying it's too expensive.

I think presenting it like you're removing the employees could be making it seem like somehow the upper management or boss is immune and that the little guy is thrown under the bus. Most importantly, show that in the future anyone will be able to participate, so more emphasis on the fact that DACs might still need some human operators and developers.

Imagine that a lot of the people looking at the video will be graduate or college students, or recent graduates who want a job. They might want to take part in bounties or be involved in some way other than as a customer so what about that demographic?

Why not show employees moving from bad jobs to great jobs?

The number of new careers that can be followed from a beach in Bora Bora is mind boggling.



That too.

So let's highlight these points:
1. No more boss and fat cats.
2. No more middle men.
3. The DAC is digital, participate from your laptop or from anywhere with an Internet connection.

So perhaps after the fat cats go poof you show some people interacting with DACs and earning $ from the beach, from home, from the Internet cafe. I'm not the marketing director but I'm sure some creative idea will be found to get the point across in a way to make people excited about it rather than terrified.

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General Discussion / Re: Intro Video Script for website: thoughts?
« on: March 10, 2014, 08:58:33 pm »
yes, I'm proably going to not show people going "poof" but rather just the other expenses.  And this pile of money will go to a whole crowd of people, as I said in the script, so it won't be just one guy.  Daniel suggested changing the name of the guy to "customer" from "shareholder" which is probably a good idea, although we know both will win with BitShares.
+5%
cant wait to see this. Def a good idea to get the concept out

It's a good idea to not put shareholders into this video. I agree with Daniel on that. Putting shareholders into the video will open the community up to accusations of it being some sort of Ponzi scheme or that it's somehow tainted because some people are making a profit.

Customer is a better word but honestly I prefer user. Users can be customers but also more than just a customer. Everyone is a user, shareholders, developers and customers.

How do we attract developers? How can we give the video the feeling of a startup, with lots of opportunity for young bright college students to join a community and get involved building DACs? How can we show that side of it because customers are really just investors but they wont be all that we need to attract.

I think we will at some point need a future more in depth video which treats the whole thing as a sort of experiment which has attracted some of the brightest minds in the world. The experiment should be laid out (although don't bring anything political into it, just talk about technical and science). I think there is a lot of really interesting angles to approach it to attract different demographics so a series of videos will have to be made, from simple, to technical, to something to attract artists for the whole MusicDAC and later on when you get to the voting that's when you discuss politics and even there it shouldn't be that we push any particular flavor of political views only the fact that the technology can defend your rights, political freedom, etc while Bitshares itself can defend your economic freedom and the ability to express yourself.





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General Discussion / Re: Intro Video Script for website: thoughts?
« on: March 10, 2014, 08:46:07 pm »
I like this very much.

My one caveat is that having: "add in employees" "show them each going poof"
"and give all the money saved to the customers?"
will open up of an attack vector by vested interests.

Political enemies of our innovations might make hay with that by spotlighting the disruptive side of this opportunity.
 
FOX News, CNN, et al are very adept at capitalizing on opportunities for spreading FUD.

I say be bold. Let them attack it.

But I also say we should highlight the fact that you can work for DACs or at least participate and earn shares in some of them. It's an error to make it look like a closed loop system where you just have the digital company, pure profit, and customers. That might be the ideal but it would be dishonest to present it as if that is what it is.

I think we need to be bold about the fact that it's disruptive and proud of it because younger generations want that, while at the same time understand that not everyone is a customer with money. Some people will have to find a way to earn their way into the system and we want to figure out how to show that in the video even if briefly. We have to consider that a large portion of the people viewing the video now and increasingly into the future will graduate into a recession.

So how about we add in removing the boss as the main employee that gets removed. That one addition to the video would counter every political attack. It all depends on which employees you show being removed, if it's the boss and the management, you present this as money saved being passed to the user/customer then you'll be able to market to the little guy. I put emphasis on user/customer because not everyone is immediately going to buy Bitshares and you don't want to make it seem like the only way is to spend $100 because you could end up with a situation where people start saying it's too expensive.

I think presenting it like you're removing the employees could be making it seem like somehow the upper management or boss is immune and that the little guy is thrown under the bus. Most importantly, show that in the future anyone will be able to participate, so more emphasis on the fact that DACs might still need some human operators and developers.

Imagine that a lot of the people looking at the video will be graduate or college students, or recent graduates who want a job. They might want to take part in bounties or be involved in some way other than as a customer so what about that demographic?

Sounds like a fun video.
But DACs do use employees, the video can even show more people being employed and the extra cash going to the employees and shareholders (and not to fat cat executives and big bosses, maybe they can disappear).

Lots of money going to this one guy creates the whole too good to be true look and people start shouting ponzi scheme.

DACs are companies that decentralize ownership and increase sharing of profits for everyone (employees and shareholders). A super positive thing. They are not taking away overall jobs and making this one guy rich.

This has it right.  +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Front Page Roanoke Times
« on: March 10, 2014, 02:52:09 pm »
Thanks for your frank explanation. Judging from the great differences between the original strategy and the one implemented under your leadership, I feel so grateful that you are in charge now, abandoned the POW.

My question :
The unspent pts/btc through AGS donation can get huge amounts of bts. How will you spend these bts ? The DACs R&D or 3I investors (Bitfund.pe and Mr Li) profit ?

This is a good question.

2618
Anonymity is compromised the moment you start mailing material.
Anonymity isn't sacred for every user.

Not everyone wants anonymity. If early users promoting the Internet said we shouldn't promote AOL because insecure, it's expensive, slow, and it's not anonymous, who exactly would have tried the Internet?

If the early promoters of operating systems said let's not bother packing Windows in with computers, let's just ship computers without an OS or with a copy of Unix and let them install that then how many people would have got on the Internet or have been introduced to personal computers?

The people who never heard of Bitshares but want the financial services it offers and aren't necessarily concerned with the anonymity. The vast majority of people who will use Bitshares want to protect their money.

If they want to receive it anonymously then they can borrow one of these DVDs or CDs from a friend or get on Tor and download Bitshares.

I do see your argument that in some countries where it could be banned they might want anonymity. But I remember when I first got Linux I had to give my address to get a copy of the CD, and I also remember receiving DVDs from AOL for years in the late 90s to early 2000.

I also received CDs for Internet Explorer, Netscape, Microsoft Word, and a bunch of other software. Believe it or not this is how most people discover new technology, they aren't all going to be on Bitcointalk or surfing the dark web.

They might be reading a finance or investment magazine and stumble upon an advertisement for some new Forex software.

lol, my customers will have to give up anonymity in order to trade for USD, no getting around that.

Anonymity I think is a non issue. The benefit of direct marketing is it's long term and it's aggressive. When you have an address book packed with email address and home addresses you can use that information to introduce them to entire families of products. The entire family of Bitshares products and Invictus DACs could be given away to millions of people just as AOL did in the past. You can also use that information to find people/groups for crowd funding new projects, this is similar to how political donations or cause donations work where in the non-profit arena.

If it worked so well for AOL why not for Invictus? I don't think DACs are going to catch on unless we look outside the Bitcoin community. I also don't think DACs will catch on unless we drop the politics and appeal to economic self interest.


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Anonymity is compromised the moment you start mailing material.
Anonymity isn't sacred for every user.

Not everyone wants anonymity. If early users promoting the Internet said we shouldn't promote AOL because insecure, it's expensive, slow, and it's not anonymous, who exactly would have tried the Internet?

If the early promoters of operating systems said let's not bother packing Windows in with computers, let's just ship computers without an OS or with a copy of Unix and let them install that then how many people would have got on the Internet or have been introduced to personal computers?

The people who never heard of Bitshares but want the financial services it offers and aren't necessarily concerned with the anonymity. The vast majority of people who will use Bitshares want to protect their money.

If they want to receive it anonymously then they can borrow one of these DVDs or CDs from a friend or get on Tor and download Bitshares.

I do see your argument that in some countries where it could be banned they might want anonymity. But I remember when I first got Linux I had to give my address to get a copy of the CD, and I also remember receiving DVDs from AOL for years in the late 90s to early 2000.

I also received CDs for Internet Explorer, Netscape, Microsoft Word, and a bunch of other software. Believe it or not this is how most people discover new technology, they aren't all going to be on Bitcointalk or surfing the dark web.

They might be reading a finance or investment magazine and stumble upon an advertisement for some new Forex software.
If I understood right, you propose to prepare a cd/dvd with all the "information package" and actually mail it?

Today I believe this method will not work.
All the information can be found on the web, quick, easy, cheap. I believe the new website will be ready soon and I think it can serve this role, with some press coverage it could work perfect.

Everyone is on the web but you're not going to reach people who don't spend a lot of time on the web. You have people in the world who aren't obsessed with Bitcoin, how will you reach these people? Maybe they are into Gold, into Forex, or are looking for some safe investment but would never care about Bitcoin.

It's the same problem I see that nerds had in the past where they have a new toy but don't want to explain it or show it to anyone outside of the nerd community. The nerds expect that everyone is just going to find their way to their community, their website, etc when from what I've seen in marketing it never actually works that way.

At some point you have to actually approach your target demographic and not assume they'll always approach you. So I guess the difference is between active marketing and passive. If you're doing passive marketing you're leaving hints around and expecting people to pick up on them and go to your website to learn more. If you're doing active marketing you're going to people and giving them the product to try or demo.

I believe press coverage and websites will not be enough.

I propose we take a more active approach. For the cost which is cheap it's probably going to have a long term impact which far exceeds the cost and the performance can be measured.


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We stipulate the use of performance contracts to keep efficiency at a maximum. Rather tahn voting systems which can be manipulated, we opt to use  an officers' performance as a means of retaining employment or being fired. The initial employment uses what luckybit just mentioned, reputation.

The real question is which metrics to use to measure performance. I think outcomes reveal the performance. So perhaps we set a minimum target metric we want them to reach and grade them based on how they do?

I think you cannot avoid voting systems completely when you're trying to measure performance. I do think you have to limit voting to up or down votes, or to scores, simple stuff which cannot easily be gamed. Either they are doing a good job or they aren't.

Amazon uses stars and that seems to work pretty well.

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How do you envision someone interviewing with the market?

They have to market themselves and convince people to bid up the BitAsset that represents their budget/salary. 

Market themselves by broadcasting their qualifications to DAC shareholders through information tied to their BitAsset?  I'm having a hard time visualizing how this would work in practice.  Would the DAC wallet have some kind of feature where people can view each applicant's BitAsset which contains information regarding their qualifications?

I think this is an awesome idea.  Those adjusters with valuable BitAssets could also make money by offering training programs for new adjusters then vouch for their skill set once they've completed training.

Why not just let their track record be qualifications? If you've done something before or you have a reputation attached to your Keyhotee then that is your qualifications. If you've never done something before then you earn a reputation over time. DAC experience would be represented by how many DACs you've worked for and the outcomes.

@merockstar

Count me in as well. I'm interested in being one of the first participants in the DAC.

I think the particular role describd here is best if done pseudo anon. There will probably be pressure to corrupt the people who make the decisions. If done right you could simply have anonymous employees check the previously made decisions. They would have to be paid as well.

Coinsigner seems to have a model which can work for this. I think there are a lot of ways to do hiring and firing, to automate the process, you can do it with or without voting but there are different advantages to each. For some jobs you need a selection process but if any specific humans are in control of the process then the whole process can become corrupt.

http://www.coinsigner.com/

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General Discussion / Re: Ethereum - better than Bitshares?
« on: March 10, 2014, 12:58:16 pm »
Hi all,

Ethereum (often considered a Bitshares alternative) is about to start something in 6 days / 25.1.2014... (see countdown at Main site: http://ethereum.org/ )
Do you think its better than bitshares? Why yes, why no?
Is it better to invest 100% in Ethereum instead of indirectly investing 1:10 (PTS share of bitshares is 10% only)
into bitshares right now? Can bitshares outperform ethereum by factor 10?
Really thinking about it where to invest and its a tough decision.. so whats your oppinion on that and why?


Whitepaper: http://vbuterin.com/ethereum.html
Forums: http://forum.ethereum.org/

Mich431

Ethereum isn't designed to be a good store of value. I won't be investing in it but I'll use it for sure and I'll mine it if it can be mined with general purpose hardware. I will not buy dedicated hardware to mine it.

I think the fact that the majority of investors and programmers alike are saying they wont be buying the tokens should tell you something. At the same time it's agreed upon that Ethereum is a cool technology and a nice experiment. It's just not something to "invest" into because if it's a DAC it's not a for profit DAC.


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General Discussion / Re: Front Page Roanoke Times
« on: March 10, 2014, 12:47:34 pm »
Floyd entrepreneur cashes in on virtual currency craze
http://www.roanoke.com/

After tomorrow:

http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/floyd-co-entrepreneur-cashes-in-on-virtual-currency-craze/article_d07256fc-a66f-11e3-b845-0017a43b2370.html

One thing I notice as a fellow geek, that is a bad ass multi-monitor setup. I am jealous.
Does it boost productivity as much as I think it does?


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Anyone who has talent to make infographics, who can elegantly explain the concepts, and who has a direct marketing background could help set this up as a project.

Over time as addresses are collected from people who are interested or who fit the demographic then later on when new DACs are released this list can be used over and over to reach thousands or perhaps millions of people. We should not expect the demographic to find its way to this forum, we should find them and give our products to them along with education.



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I think one of the best marketing strategies I can think of is to use direct mail and giveaways.

The more people who try the software the faster it will catch on and even if it does not catch on immediately, the more people who have a wallet the quicker it can go viral. AOL did exactly this to promote the Internet and AOL instant messenger.

For years people were introduced to the Internet by AOL's direct mail. We should find the ideal target demographics who would be interested in being early adopters and initiate a targeted direct mail campaign. A bitcoin wallet such as electrum and a Bitshares wallet should be included. Information on what Bitshares is, how it works, information on Bitcoin and how that works, how to print paper wallets, videos, interviews, a documentary, all of that should be included on the DVD.

In my opinion finance students, business students, computer science students, unemployed college graduates, gamers, all should be in the initial target demographic because I think if most of these people knew what Bitshares is and what it can do to improve their lives they'd at least check it out.

It should be presented as Bitcoin 2.0 in the documentation. The documentation should be heavily visual. It should also include some success stories such as people who are starting businesses or who are using Bitshares so that other people can learn why people would benefit from using it.

Please consider this marketing approach. If you like it then I propose this approach be one of the first community based approaches. The community should come together to create the direct mail package. Brian should lead the initiative of bringing the community together for this project. Video footage should be assembled by Invictus. Bounties could pay for the infographics. Exclusive interviews could be included too.

Linux, AOL, Microsoft, all have used this method. If not for the fact that I could get a free Linux CD back in the day there is no way I would have ever have been able to try it. I don't think it would cost too much to make these CDs and send them out, nor would it be difficult to find the demographic to send it out to. Over time people will hear about it in the news or some economic crisis will happen they will remember they have it installed already or they have a CD in their house somewhere.

Metrics to measure the success or failure of this approach would be the amount of users who install a Bitshares wallet or Keyhotee.

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