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http://letstalkbitcoin.com/jpmorgan-chase-building-bitcoin-killer/#.UqegtCg8w7z

Chase-ing Bitcoin: Is JPM Preparing To Unveil Its Own Electronic Currency?

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, copy 'em, and then beat 'em. While everyone's attention has been glued to Bitcoin (and its various smaller and less viable for now alternative digital currencies), JPMorgan has submitted a patent which appears to set the scene for a competing centralized network to Bitcoin. As LetsTalkBitcoin noted first, the "Method and system for processing internet payments using the electronic funds transfer network," states that Chase's technology is a "new paradigm." Moreover that it permits the creation of "virtual cash" (also referred to as "web cash") with a "real-time digital exchange of value."

Via eCreditDaily,

Imagine paying for some product in a transaction directly with the seller that doesn’t include a costly third-party fee or the revelation of a personal account number — the current components that comprise credit card and debit card purchases. Imagine this system with a “real-time digital exchange of value.” And imagine that you can archive all the transactions in a personal digital wallet, with its own “Internet Pay Anyone (IPA)” account and inherent safeguards built-in, something that you could call “Virtual Private Lockbox (VPL),” according to JPMorgan’s patent.
 
If this “web cash” system — as JPMorgan Chase calls it — seems familiar, it should. It smacks of the peer-to-peer transactions of bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies that increasingly are making the world’s biggest banks uneasy about the future of e-commerce.
 
The patent, first revealed by LetsTalkBitcoin.com, is a fascinating look into JPMorgan’s veiled outlook on the evolving but growing bitcoin universe, and other more widely-accepted payment systems.
 
JPMorgan’s proposed system offers another eerily familiar component, which seemingly mimics “blockchain,” a publicly available, permanent ledger of bitcoin transactions.
 
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Without naming the virtual currency or any competing payments system by name, the bank takes a swipe at the crytocurrency model.
 
“None of the emerging efforts to date have gotten more than a toehold in the market place and momentum continues to build in favor of credit cards,” according to Chase’s patent application published by The United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). It was filed August 5th, 2013.
 
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JPMorgan Chase sees “a new marketplace” emerging for “low dollar, high volume, real-time payments with payment surety for both consumers and producers.”
 
As LetsTalkBitcoin.com points out, “Bitcoin has also been ballyhooed for it use with micro-payments and payments under ten dollars due to its zero to negligible fee structure.”
 
JPMorgan Chase: “The present invention further enables small dollar financial transactions, allows for the creation of ‘web cash’ as well as provides facilities for customer service and record-keeping.”
While naming protocols for these vitual currencies is uncertain, we can't help but think "Dimons" would be appropriate as the web cash becomes increasingly more trusted.

 

LetsTalkBitcoin discusses how JPMorgan's proposed system works:

Under The Hood: Internet Pay Anyone
 
“…The structural components to the system of the present invention include:
 
    a Payment Portal Processor; a digital Wallet;
    an Internet Pay Anyone (IPA) Account;
    a Virtual Private Lockbox (VPL);
    an Account Reporter;
    the existing EFT networks;
    and a cash card.
 
“…The Payment Portal Processor (PPP) is a software application that augments any Internet browser with e-commerce capability. The PPP software sits in front of and provides a secure portal for accessing (finking to) the user’s. Demand Deposit Accounts (DDA) and IPA accounts. The PPP enables the user to push electronic credits from its DDA and IPA accounts to any other accounts through the EFT network…”
 
“…The {technology} …includes freely publishing the payment address and making it available to users of an internet portal or search engine…”
 
“…Currently, all Internet transactions use “pull” technology in which a merchant must receive the consumer’s account number (and in some cases PIN number) in order to complete a payment. The payment methods of the present invention conversely use “push” technology in which users (consumers or businesses) push an EFT credit from their IPA or DDA accounts to a merchant’s account, without having to provide their own sensitive account information…”
 
A New Paradigm
 
“…The present invention represents a new paradigm for effectuating electronic payments that leverages existing platforms, conventional payment infrastructures and currently available web-based technology to enable e-commerce in both the virtual and physical marketplace. The concept provides a safe, sound, and secure method that allows users (consumers) to shop on the Internet, pay bills, and pay anyone virtually anywhere, all without the consumer having to share account number information with the payee. Merchants receive immediate payment confirmation through the Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT) network so they can ship their product with confidence that the payment has already been received. The present invention further enables small dollar financial transactions, allows for the creation of “web cash” as well as provides facilities for customer service and record-keeping…”
and the implications:

I view this technology and patent application as an overwhelming good thing.  Bitcoin is driving Innovation.  It has been said that credit cards and the legacy banking system in use today was never meant for use over the internet.  Chase’s updated Internet Pay Anyone technology appears to come head to head with Bitcoin.
 
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While it remains to be seen if this technology is a “Bitcoin Killer,” other players such as eBay/PayPal (which have been riding under Bitcoin’s coattails through marketing gimmicks) ought to pay close attention to this emerging technology.  If Bitcoin does get a “toehold” in the marketplace, we just might see this technology activated.  The Chase is on.
Finally, the patent application itself (source USPTO):

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-10/chasing-bitcoin-jpm-preparing-unveil-its-own-electronic-currency

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BitShares PTS / Re: [ANN] ypool.net - Fast PTS pool
« on: December 10, 2013, 10:22:36 am »
sorry yvg1900, you making good work here, its you right to make your rules with your product, dont be offended, i just was in bad mood yesterday.

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1000$ Google Cloud Compute Starter Pack

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It takes 2-3 days until google enables your trial but it works really great.

edit:

Promo Codes:
1) nrc-org
2) gdg-in

its for accredited companies only, they check it.

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BitShares PTS / Re: [ANN] ypool.net - Fast PTS pool
« on: December 08, 2013, 10:12:31 am »
jezuz, why you make this miner disconnect from pool every hour?
i cant monitor average mining speed on ypool because of that, its so annoying...

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I think that cornerstone basis for fiat inviolableness in global monetary circulation is its acceptance by resources producers of oil, gaz, gazoline, mineral, electricity etc.
Is it possible to make world first cryptocommodity market/exchange, so real sector (not virtual) of economy start to do business with anonymous money?
This could change rules, because those who make real goods, could dictate demand on cryptocurrency instead of banksters debts. :)

So we have 2 options:
1) Revolution, quick. Industrial corporations and real producers join simple people and corruption circle with baksters mafia will come to end.
2) Long lasting evolutionary process, which could take decades of bankers stagnation, until cryptosector destroys old regime.

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General Discussion / Re: Trade PTS in Ripple - xrpio.com
« on: December 08, 2013, 05:26:56 am »
Ripple can be used to trade in fiat currencies (like USD).  Ripples (XRP) is the "native" currency, but you can use Ripple to trade and transfer funds in any number of currencies.

Here is a good post by John Light (creator of litecoin): http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-decentralized-exchange-for-fun-profit/
May i ask you what is your profit in trading without %, or you making arbitrage?

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares source code?
« on: December 07, 2013, 03:44:56 pm »
I guess my question was more on the lines of, is that functionality implemented or still being worked on?

Development Schedule:
1) broadcast / peer discovery (tested via Keyhotee messaging)
2) wallet / identity  (tested via Keyhotee ID)
3) BitShares Test Network
4) wallet import from ProtoShares
5) BitShares Proper

Bytemaster, im curious, you mentioned in white paper that Ripple system is not trustless and not opensource, so it not competitor to Bitshares, but now ripple is open, so bitshares have only one competitive advantage - its anonimity for users?
And seems like Bitshares source code is open during development, dont you afraidthat it can be copied by newly comers like NXT?

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i wonder how and where people should store large amount of fiat money to receive bitassets in a system, in Banks like MtGox do?

No one needs to store USD in banks to receive BitAssets.   In fact, the system works even if no one ever trades BitUSD for USD or BitShares for USD.
hmm thats interesting, i should check bitshares white paper more closely ::)

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i wonder how and where people should store large amount of fiat money to receive bitassets in a system, in Banks like MtGox do?

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I suggest you think outside the box you have lived in your whole life and stop assuming a government is needed or that you need to "control a society without rulers and ruled". 

1) Your approach is to create a decentralized solution for funding the ultimate form of centralization.
2) The goal is to decentralize power to end corruption
3) Imagine a world where justice, defense, dispute resolution, medical, retirement, charity can all be provided at the highest quality, lowest cost, with out the need to resort to impose a double standard between the 'ruled' and the 'rulers'?    A double standard that says the two may be held to different moral standards. 

I set out to invent the solutions to these problems rather than simply accept that the only way to have justice for some is to cause an injustice for others.  Create a DAC that causes selfish motives to align with your desired global outcome and does not depend upon force to do so.   
ok, maybe im wrong, i just tried to analyze what will happen if modern government system stop works as it should, and how we going to live in near future  :)

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The main issue with Bitcoin like currencies is not their anonymity itself, because this barrier could be easily overcome even with fiat currencies, but its untaxable nature, what if we could make currency with VAT feature customized by voting proof mechanism?

That will help to solve many issues with socialization of cryptoeconomy to mainstream,
for example, people need to finance government, defence, medical support, pension funds on basic level to keep very minimum of social services, to control anarchy, but without taxation it impossible to plan budget, that is the problem.

I had a real laugh at "to control anarchy,". I'd love to support a government committed to protecting property rights. But a government that can just take or print the money it wants has no interest in catering to my needs.

well, if we talk about US government, they do not printing money, truly speaking US government have no power to print money at all, its banksters business, and banks "printing" debts for people/government needs in form of USD, and government forced to take these debts from investors, speculators and banks when they can not collect enough taxes to cover their spends on social programs.

But if we could change matter of things, and offer another system, cryptocurrency Budgeting for municipal and federal governments, that will make difference.

No more debts, no more banksters monopoly, independence of governments from oligarchs, true straight democracy, because if people decide to elect another Congress, they will vote through Bitxxxx system to not pay taxes.
 ...:)

 

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 :)

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Marketplace / Re: Want to change my lost passcode wallet with 4.5 BTC
« on: December 04, 2013, 10:31:07 pm »
I may be able to help you recover this dependent on how much would you consider paying for my services?? I know I can do it for definite. Let me know if you are interested.
currently i found some program mentioned on bitcointalk forum and now making sample words list to try with bruteforce, but still i have concerns how to replace different letters in single word, how to adjust program, but most important is how to recall this ******** passcode..

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BitShares PTS / Re: [ANN] ptsweb.beeeeer.org - Protoshares mining sub-pool
« on: December 02, 2013, 11:42:37 pm »

no connection to the server, reconnecting in 10 seconds
connecting to 54.201.26.128:1337

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Marketplace / Re: Want to change my lost passcode wallet with 4.5 BTC
« on: November 25, 2013, 11:35:41 am »
so you still have the wallet.dat file?

difficulty here is, no one can ensure that the encrypted privkey matched that address!?!?
wallet.dat with me, and i not given file anybody else to date.

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