I don't have accounts at all of the places that you have on you list but  I wanted to show support for what you are doing and help keep this thread up on the list. Great grassroot low cost marketing, Whoever the new marketing guy is please take note at cost effective idea like this one.

Are you running for delegate and if no have you considered it?

Quote from: Gentso1 on August 12, 2014, 04:21:58 pm

With centralization being a concern of many and there only being 101 spots, Do you feel that it is in the best interest of the network for a single person to control more then one position?
I have been noticing a trend of single parties running more then one delegate.  With some users all ready questioning how De-centralized are we really, are we just compounding the problem by running more then delegate per person?

Other then that your mission statement sounds great.

Thanks for your question, and I think you are correct.
More than one delegate from single party is not good for decentralization.
However, it is difficult to stop it from this angle, because one person with plenty shares can actually have 2 accounts belonging to 2 teams for instance. Just like  pleople could have multiple wallets.
I think the key is that one share should not be able to vote for more than one delegate.
From the wiki of DPOS, you can find the following 2 statements:

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1. Currently each share can vote for a max of 1/3 of the amount of active delegates in any round (currently 101 / 3 = 33)
2. Every shareholder gets to vote for someone to sign blocks in their stead (a representative if you will). Anyone who can gain 1% or more of the votes can join the board.

but as you can see, 1-share-33-votes could amplify the vantage of people with a buck loads of shares. Currently, to be the 101th delegate you need 7.0604811640 % of votes, which is far more than 1%. If I had 8% of total shares, I can generate 33 delegates with 8% votes (and occupy delegate position from #9 to #41) based on  current rule and situation. However, in 1-share-1-vote, 8% of total shares could occupy 8 delegate position at most.

Thanks so much for your insight. You bring up some really great points.

I don't have a answer to the issue I presented to you to be completely honest. I don't know that any of us have the answer at this point. I am just glad that you recognize it for what it is, a issue.

I think delegates openly running more then one account are just adding to the problem when there is more then enough separate people that are willing to share the load.

I also believe, I agree with you in the fact that we need to change the technology in a way that maybe it is a limited number of votes per share. The system as I understand it now allows and single large stake holder to vote in delegates of his or her liking over and over and over again. While a 101 delegates could look like decentralize, if a single person or group of people that have large stakes approve of every delegate  that fits into his or her club it starts looking like a centralized effort under the guise of being separate(which makes it look even worse).

You bring up some really good arguments that I think would could improve on as a whole that I haven't considered before, thank you .

Quote from: luckybit on August 09, 2014, 01:44:27 am

Quote from: Gentso1 on August 08, 2014, 05:06:16 pm

I am not a fan of troll boxes but I think if you are trying to market to "home" day traders, they love this kinda of crap.

With that being said if you are truly trying to make this a business platform their should be no troll box.

Without a troll box how do you compete with BTC-E? Why would people switch away from that onto Bitshares X?

It seems that the troll box has a positive impact on volume or at least there is a correlation. Our subjective feelings don't matter. If it could improve volume then we should do it.

trollbox has become a very central part of this thread.  Why not offer one but have it so a user has to take an extra step once logged in to open it? Wouldnt the best solution, after all, be to accomodate both types of traders?

Great idea I feel like this is a great compromise and puts the power in the users hands. I also can't deny the power of the btc-e troll box.

this has already been discussed and the market will sort the duplicated out once the competetion is going forward ... sooner or later the number of individuals controlling the 101 delegates will be about 60 .. then .. 80 ..

I know it has been talked about some but as someone who is lobbying to be a delegate I am trying to make a point for other "voter's" to base there decision's off of.

Just because it has been discussed before should we as voters, delegates, users not bringing up possible flaws/weakness.

With there being a abundance of people competing for this delegate positions why should we not tackle the duplicate issue now?

I would like to hear a response from the candidate and his thoughts on the duplicate issue. Perhaps his position is that there is no harm in a single person controlling multiple accounts. 

We live in a world of smartphones, laptops and search engines. 

One line and a brand is a good way to pique curiosity.  Once on site the visitor can find the rest of the Bitshares ecosystem

KISS works very well with marketing in our one click you are gone world

So your suggestion would also be to drop the DAC's on the back and to keep the logo and qoute in there current placement? I just want to clarify.

Honestly I wouldn't wear it. Make it simpler and less "BUY BITSHARES" vibe.

A simple "I killed the bank" on the bank and "bitshares" on the front left

You don't think its a good idea to list the DAC's on the back to help promote the whole family instead of just one DAC?

While I am most interested in btsx my thoughts were getting the word out about all the DAC's would be beneficial. We are selling a family of products not just one. People that are holders of pts and especially ags have a interest in seeing all these products grow.

If I were making shirts up for bitshares employees I 100% agree small logo across the chest and probably dropping that quote all together and maybe using something more classy, perhaps a quote from someone in the industry.  The reason being is that if you are at a conference or meeting with people they are (chances are) people that will all ready be involved or have a reasonable amount of back round knowledge about the product and what you are doing.

Thank you for taking the time to provide insight. The more insight we have the better products can be branded and hopefully promoted together. Once a company has 1 great product people will also become more interested in there less well known products.
The above mock up is geared simply at people that have no involvement in in crypto at the present time(untapped market). It in essence is a quick "sales pitch" to get them to the site. From their we can educate them on the products and help to bring them into the fold.   

Quote from: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 08:04:27 pm

I envision everything from buying signature space, ad's on crypto blogs, give aways of shirts and swag(geared toward every demographic) and maybe even getting a couple of crypto celeb's to rock our gear so to speak(Adam,Andreas, Charles and even Vitalik).

That would be funny   

Even though we are competing in a way both camps are trying to solve the same issues. How great of a photo would it make for us to wear there shirts and they wear our's. I think it would be hilarious and both camps could share the photo as a way to promote themselves and competing technologies.

Of course it will never happen but on the lighter side I would like to think there is a level of mutual respect for the work that both they and we are doing, it also goes to help to build and broaden the industry as a whole.

Quote from: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 09:42:07 pm

I think it will work.I am not a fan of huge air drops but no one can deny freebies of any kind get you noticed.

I have been looking but cant seem to find what is the current $ value of there airdrop?

I saw this on BTT

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They just created a demand for it, by giving out only 125 stellar now.
Initially they gave out 6900 stellar, for any new account(who would link fb and their emails), and created a distribution.
Now they give 125, creating a shortage, so there is a demand, and prices increase. They can now easily sell their premined stellar at high prices.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=733999.msg8295491#msg8295491

I don't know if that's part of the initial startegy, but that's a big drop, giving away 7000 to giving away 125. ( A 98% drop!) Maybe they're learning the hard way about giving away money for free but I'm not sure.

So I think if that's right in $ terms they're down to giving away $0.5 

Yea I am reading through their thread now. Starting with 6900 stellar was huge and created a great buzz but they would have crashed the market if they didn't scale back when people started dumping.
125 stellar is more realistic. I think they gave themselves a very cost effective if not a little underhanded considering that stellar was also given to ripple holders which I believe is what stellar is based off of. So chances are if they have large ripple holdings they may recoup some of there airdrop funds while promoting a new coin that may* have some growth.

I won't invest in them but it is very cool to watch. Think they can break the top ten market cap by the end of NEXT month?