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Isn't it possible that new money did come into these projects but once those positions have been gained, the momentum fades because the markets are not yet deep enough?
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If he issues a uia what is stopping a non Brit from acquiring the assets?  Even if he only sells them to Brits initially, those buyers can easily sell them to anyone on the asset exchange.
I think the UIA can be set to only allow ID authenticated users to control their asset, so maybe the market will stop sellers from trading their UIA to an unregistered account

543
My understanding of how DAC's and UIA's would work in conjunction with CryptoMate is rather limited, so if anyone could give me a layman terms run down of it would work that would really cool.
Welcome!

A UIA is a token that can be traded on the BitShares internal exchange that represents the value a real world asset. Loosely comparable to a coloured coin.
CryptoMate could issue a UIA that represents shares in the profit of the company but allows crytomate to retain control over these UIAs.
Restrictions can be placed on this UIA to meet with compliance regulation. As you're a UK company atm, perhaps only UK citizens will be permitted to receive dividends. I don't know, but UIAs can be customized to the issuers needs regardless.
I'm not sure of the best method to issue dividends. Perhaps every day the company buys back some of the UIA shares with the company profits. UIA shareholders benefit proportional to their stake.

Porting your business model to a DAC would involve coding a blockchain to facilitate the trades by integrating multi-sig escrow (to confirm fiat bank transfers have actually occurred) and the use of human 'Delegates' who would perform arbitration and oracle services to investigate problems with trades.
Perhaps the transaction fees of this DAC could be pooled into an insurance fund. Users can then assume that all trades are irreversible because if any problems arise they have a well funded arbitration service and a pool of funds for reimbursement to rely upon.

I hope that helps!

544
BM said on yesterdays dev hangout that the new system can process 100,000 transactions per second!
Roughly the transaction volume of Visa and NASDAQ combined :)

BM explains that the bottleneck in blockchain transaction speed is in adjusting the state of the chain AFTER transactions have had their signatures and order verified.
In DPOS 2.0 the two systems have been separated to run in parallel  to optimize performance.
The first step of verifying signatures and ordering the transaction list can be performed by clusters of regular non-witness nodes surrounding one of the 101 witnesses as the transactions propagate across the network.
The witness nodes then receive the ordered list of transactions ready for immediate processing into a block at a rate of 100,000 per 1 second block! Used similar concepts to "LMAX exchange" but put built them into a blockchain.
Potential to reach 1,000,000 transactions per second after optimization.

There are solutions to BitShares voting that are completely private.
BM discusses a move away from stealth addresses as they only provide the ILLUSION of privacy due to timing attacks and transaction output analysis.
Privacy isn't free and must be paid for in computational power or time and effort.
The 100k/s transaction volume is only achievable by cutting out the extra processing power required for stealth addresses.
BM is researching new ways to add privacy to the blockchain but for now wants to encourage users to take control of their own privacy. Everything on the blockchain will be visible to everyone and users decide for themselves how they manage their privacy.
A false sense of security and the imperfect privacy guarantees given by stealth addresses at the protocol level could do more harm than good - and are also a major inefficiency.

BM talks about this race being a marathon and strategically laying the groundwork to build a robust system with an easy to use user interface so that BitShares is ready to go viral.
Mass market the product once its 100% ready and not before.

545
I would say that BitShares is about freedom and is more suited to a anarchic free market society.
Taxes cannot be collected without force.
The taxation and distribution of funds by a single entity, even if it's a blockchain, is going to be less efficient than an anarchic free market.
The prediction market idea you pose sounds must better than the current 'democracy' we have now, but the best solution in my opinion is to allow everyone to be free to use their real voting power (capital) to allocate however they choose.
Over time the most popular and most profitable businesses and industries will thrive.

I think this kind of blockchain democracy will also be less honest than a completely free market. The "solution" to a "perfect" society will have a near infinite number of parameters as the preferences of EVERYONE in society will be catered to.
It is therefore impossible to present all of these parameters to a public blockchain vote.
Individuals will have a tendency to 'vote' in the prediction market in a selfish way and not necessarily vote on behalf society as a whole.
A free market does benefit all of society because if there is demand for a particular product or service profit seeking entrepreneurs will move into the market to provide. There are no barriers to entry so the poor are not excluded and power is not consolidated with the few.

546
Here's a quick summary:
Fiat:BitAsset gateway confirmed.
1 second block confirmations coming.
Faster reindexing of the chain (?). Basically full nodes will be much more efficient.
Minebitshares are asking for 6 delegate positions to attract miners to the bitshares ecosystem.

Delegates will be seperated into 3 different roles:
1 - Witnesses to run the 101 full nodes.
2 - Workers present proposals to the shareholders and bid for contracts.
3 - Delegates provide price feeds and other oracle duties.

Announcements scheduled throughout June, starting on the 8th.
Full documentation to be released in June.
Changes to the MPA (Market Pegged Assets) system are due to change after community discussion about the upcoming announcements.
Community members are concerned about delegate and worker accountability and have proposed methods to address this. (#BlockchainHR).
Jim Willie, a prominent goldbug, had a very entertaining interview with fuzzy on the second 'Bonus Hangout'. Most dev hangouts get about 500 plays. Jim has brought 25,000 of his fans with him in the 10 days since release! The beyond bitcoin team have looked at the play-stats and many of the new viewers that came with Jim stayed and listened to several BitShares specific hangouts! More Bonus hangouts to come.

That's most of what's happened over the past few weeks, as I understand it!

547
Community action at work!

How much of an advantage is the fact that MPAs will be able to trade 24/7?
I'm thinking we could get a lot of liquidity at the weekends.
Do any other stock indexes continue to trade at the weekend?

548
IMO The crypto-economy will expand faster as a result of fiat:bitAsset gateways

BitShares to fiat Gateways enable individuals and businesses to remain 100% in crypto and can store their wealth privately in counterparty-risk free ways.
For startup businesses in the global economy access to banking is a major factor in determining where you can run your business.
I think a fiat to bitAsset gateway will free businesses in a similar way that the individual employee was freed by the internet to 'work from home'.
Businesses need no longer buy expensive land near settlements large enough to have a banking presence. They can buy land in the middle of nowhere and start a permaculture farm and run a large business for as little cost as possible. Think of the employee benefits you could offer!
Decentralized communication, decentralized money, decentralized food and now decentralized banking services.
Online banking is possible in some cases, but will still require a physical address.

Satellites allow almost anyone in the world access to the internet for communication and now every one of those people has access to cheap and private banking services through bitAssets and BitShares!

549
Great news.

Is it an already established exchange or a startup that has launched to focus on BitShares ?

Existing exchange looking to gain an edge in the market to attract users.
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Will part of this edge come from issuing an UIA?
ExchangeUSD to trade against bitUSD to keep the peg tight?

550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKj2Bh4YLo

Dan discusses how such an insurance DAC would work.

551
General Discussion / Re: A Little Piece of History
« on: May 28, 2015, 09:50:28 am »
The bts branding on the walls behind them is written several different ways.

Which is correct?
BitShares
bitShares
bitshares
or BITSHARES

Edit: Just watched it all the way through, pretty interesting.
Although I think it highlights the difficulty in explaining bts to potential investors and I hope that the announcements and documentation this summer change that.
Clear documentation, info-graphics and demonstrations of profitable ways to use BitShares should go a long way to encouraging new investment and commercial use of our products.

552
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We were sold a false bill of goods as kids and are taught to be timid. Childhood books and movies even reinforce this. In reality, Cinderella would die of old age if she sat around waiting for Prince Charming to magically show up at her house and ask her out. What are you waiting for? You have to go out and find your Prince Charming or at least put yourself in a place where he might show up and ask.

Read more: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/239895#ixzz3bNjXPvE0

553
Starspirit,
   I am not really concerned about merchants so much as payment processors.   Most merchants will not be setting up their own node on the network to accept payment directly, instead they will go through a 3rd party.    More importantly, most merchants will not *directly* accept crypto, instead they will accept USD through a service provider that hides all cryptos, including BitUSD from them.      In the case of most non-stable crypto's, the payment processors simply hide the fee in the "exchange rate". 

   So the person I am really catering to is the middle man.   

   Early adopters of crypto use it because of properties other than price.   Most "crypto-consumers" wouldn't mind paying a fee to buy something with crypto, after all they would be paying a fee to exit to fiat anyway.   

   Traders don't care about anything other than "free market pricing" and "stable rules".   For them a premium doesn't matter because it all comes out in the end.

   I reject the notion that we can establish a peg with 0 premium and 0 volatility in the premium and those seeking this perfection are seeking the impossible.   Supply and Demand are constantly changing along with market perception of the valuation of BitShares.   

  Lets take a "perfect" and "balanced" system of a simple prediction market that settles once per year at a "perfectly fair" price.    In this prediction market both sides have the exact same liquidity and expectation of profit.  Any deviations from the value of $1.00 is a profit opportunity for both parties.   

  Under such a system what is the "volatility" of the premium?   It is proportional to the holding cost until settlement combined with the demand for leverage on BTS.   I would expect a range around $1.00 that could be off by over 10% at times.    So even with guaranteed settlement at a fair price on a specific date in the future you do not get an asset that is always worth $1.00 with a stable premium.    The best we can do is get an asset that is approximately worth $1.00 and the volatility in the premium is beyond our control. 

  If the premium is persistently biased by a certain minimum amount then the market will end up adjusting prices to account for that bias.  This "constant bias" can be relatively stable and can be removed by adjusting the feed.

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General Discussion / Re: BAD DELEGATES VOTED IN OVERNIGHT?!?!
« on: May 26, 2015, 03:14:52 pm »
How can the amount of BTS needed to vote into the 101 decrease?
I've also been wondering how votes are calculated, what happens with stake that doesn't vote? Is it included?

Is there a ELI5 on all the different ways to vote?
I'm not sure what all the thumbs up and thumbs down mean, and what 'As my Delegates Recommend' means when sending a transaction.

To vote, the client needs to be made aware of which delegates you wish to vote for and then a transaction must be made (to yourself) for the vote to be counted.
Using the console:
Open the client and enter password.
Go to top right of the window and click the drop down arrow next to your account name.
Click advanced.
Click console (top left).
To approve the delegate "Chronos", type "approve chronos 1" and press enter.
The console should read-out a message
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>> approve chronos 1

{
  "index": ###,
  "name": "chronos",
  "approval": 1,
  "custom_data": {}
}

Is there an easier way to do this?
I've tried using the thumbs up/down before but I've never been able to tell if it actually voted correctly.

555
Is there a ELI5 on all the different ways to vote?
I'm not sure what all the thumbs up and thumbs down mean, and what 'As my Delegates Recommend' means when sending a transaction.

To vote, the client needs to be made aware of which delegates you wish to vote for and then a transaction must be made (to yourself) for the vote to be counted.
Using the console:
Open the client and enter password.
Go to top right of the window and click the drop down arrow next to your account name.
Click advanced.
Click console (top left).
To approve the delegate "Chronos", type "approve chronos 1" and press enter.
The console should read-out a message
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>> approve chronos 1

{
  "index": ###,
  "name": "chronos",
  "approval": 1,
  "custom_data": {}
}

Is there an easier way to do this?
I've tried using the thumbs up/down before but I've never been able to tell if it actually voted correctly.

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