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General Discussion / Re: A BitShares Constitution?
« on: October 31, 2014, 11:07:20 pm »

We hodl these truths to be self evident...


Hehe.

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General Discussion / Re: Knowing when to stop
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:42:55 pm »
Once turning complete scripting is implemented in the SuperDAC, how will it be different than Etherium is trying to be?

It will have the benefits of Ethereum while ALSO having all the benefits of Bitshares.  (DPoS, TITAN, speed, bitAssets, etc).

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Will the BTS total supply appear as 2.5 Billion on Nov 5th?

I think that would be preferable. As otherwise our perceived rate of dilution will be a lot higher.

It should, imo.

Coinmarketcap should list 2.5 billion BTS.

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General Discussion / Re: Knowing when to stop
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:34:41 pm »

Bitcoin halving will result in unprofitable mining! pretty quickly. .

Mining cannot remain unprofitable for long.  Either miners shut down, which mean difficulty falls, which helps other miners, or price rises so that everyone is profitable, or some of each.

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General Discussion / Re: Knowing when to stop
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:29:43 pm »
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08-01-2016. Everyone who understands that date knows exactly what will happen

Please tell me... what happens on that date?

That is the estimated date when the next bitcoin reward halving will occur.

I dont really see why that is a big deal for us though (other than that it might increase bitcoin prices some, which helps crypto in general).

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General Discussion / Re: A BitShares Constitution?
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:17:28 pm »
If that is the case this needs to be emphasised!  Why did BM say 8% was the maximum today on mumble?  People are making valuations and selling based on what they think the inflation will be.

Because bitcoin is around 8% right now and he was emphasizing that it was lower than that maybe?

Also because math is hard. :D


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General Discussion / Re: News Letter is Under Review by PR
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:12:59 pm »

No new information... just all condensed and explained better than before.

Excellent!  Clarity and reassurance is what we need most right now. 

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General Discussion / Re: News Letter is Under Review by PR
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:10:04 pm »
This will have the final announcement that we promised this week.... additional processes we have implemented have delayed release a tad, but I wanted to let everyone know it has been written and looks very good.

Do you mean a new announcement? 

Or just a final summary of everything that has changed over the past couple weeks?

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General Discussion / Re: A BitShares Constitution?
« on: October 31, 2014, 09:55:37 pm »
I thought the maximum annual dilution is 8%? 

The way I calculate it, it is 6.3% right now.

50 bts per block * 6 blocks/min * 60 min/hour * 24 hour/day * 365 day/year = 157,680,000 shares per year.

.15768B / 2.5B = 6.3%



The thing that troubles some investors is that they dont want the code to be changed to increase this amount.  That is, they think "once you allow any dilution at all, you could allow UNLIMITED dilution".

This is the goal of the constitution, to make it very very hard for that to ever occur.


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Is the new question:  Should that be periodically lowered to stay below bitcoin as bitcoin is lowered via the block reward halving? 

To which I say, yes.

I also say yes.  I dont think our schedule needs to be the same halving per 4 years though.  A smoother decline would be preferable to a disruption at a certain date.

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The code is the constitution.  Nothing more is needed.


I think the constitution is basically a promise to never make the code do certain things that we might not approve of (dilution), without massive community approval.

Its also a marketing document outlining the vision, so that people can understand what bitshares is trying to do.

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General Discussion / Re: A BitShares Constitution?
« on: October 31, 2014, 09:11:25 pm »
Extreme emergency or extreme opportunity.... I think we can put this kind of thing up to a vote that requires 75% stakeholder approval and allows stakeholder to buy/sell their approval would do the trick.

Requiring 75% approval to change sounds great to me. 

Investors would have confidence that greater dilution could only happen with mass approval.

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General Discussion / Re: A BitShares Constitution?
« on: October 31, 2014, 08:57:16 pm »

Having the ability to change the dilution rate with some established process that is deemed "hard but not impossible" is what is needed.

I agree.

I think that modifying a constituiton is "hard but not impossible". 

It should be hard enough that people have confidence that it should probably not happen, except in an extreme emergency where everyone agrees it must happen.

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General Discussion / Re: A BitShares Constitution?
« on: October 31, 2014, 08:51:45 pm »
We should probably write our declaration of independence as well.

This seems a bit silly to me, and could attract attention from government/regulators that we dont want.


What we need is a document outlining a schedule for fixed dilution, that we all agreed to and is hard to change.  Plus a mission/vision statement for what bitshares is about and what our goal is.

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General Discussion / Re: A BitShares Constitution?
« on: October 31, 2014, 08:42:53 pm »
 
Interesting idea. I can see both sides of this discussion.

a) Fixed dilution limits future unknowns.
b) Fixed dilution gives investors peace of mind.

I can't decide.

 +5% :P

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So we are getting more BTS share-dropped on us along with DNS?

You are getting your share of the dev's DNS stake.  Which will then turn into some BTS, over the 2 year vesting period.

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Your link for submitting questions takes you to the thread for last week's show, not today's.

dang..you are right.

Yeah, I went to post a question, and then I realized I was in the wrong thread...and then I realized it had already happened, lol.

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