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General Discussion / Crypto Money Expo: Should BitShares field a booth?
« on: October 29, 2014, 11:07:51 pm »
Crypto Money Expo is a virtual conference that functions similar to an MMO: pretty neat concept. I'm pretty sure someone mentioned this on the forums a while ago. Does anyone else think it would be beneficial to field a team for running a virtual BitShares booth? Maybe we could get a few i3 team members to show as well, for credibility.

http://www.cryptomoneyexpo.com/expos/inv2/

Apparently the booth space is limited; if there is enough community interest someone from i3 or myself can contact them at info@cryptomoneyexpo.com.

The dates are December 5-6 2014 starting at 11 AM.

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General Discussion / Re: Why is bitUSD so underpriced at the moment?
« on: October 29, 2014, 10:08:31 pm »
How will bitUSD play into DevShares? Will they be brought over with the snapshot or just PTS/AGS/BTSX?

I'm also curious if BTSX in open market orders (short collateral) will be included in the snapshot.

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General Discussion / Re: Dumping BTSX and other questions
« on: October 29, 2014, 09:50:52 pm »
What would happen to BitUSD and BitBTC if someone would dump a shit load of BTSX on the market? My guess would be that it would take much more BTSX to buy BitUSD or BitBTC.

Next question.

Let's say BTSX gets really popular and you believe  in the whole idea/concept. Would it not make sense to just hold BTSX, not buy any assets? This would be true even if BitUSD gets popular? Right?

You could take the "HODL" approach and only hold BTS(X) if you're a long term bull. There is a profit to be made off the fluctuations if you decide you would like to take the risk, as well.

For instance, if BTS(X) bubbles and I think it will return to a lower price, I can buy up bitUSD when the buying power of BTS(X) is high. Then when it returns to the lower price I expect, I can sell my bitUSD back for more BTSX than I originally paid, and achieve a net gain of BTSX.

Conversely, if the price is low and I think it will rise, I can place a short bitUSD order. When that order is filled (demand for bitUSD chomps through the sell wall and hits the short wall at the median price feed published by delegates) it becomes a margin order which I have 30 days to cover. If the price rises as I expect, I can buy bitUSD when my BTSX buying power is high and cover my margin position. By doing so, I borrowed bitUSD ("minted") to sell it when bitUSD was at a higher price in terms of BTSX, and I am able to repay that obligation at a lower cost later (if the cost of bitUSD vs. BTSX goes down; i.e. BTSX price rises). Thus a profit can be earned from the difference.

I'm pretty noobish at these concepts but this is how I understand the system working and why I still purchase bitUSD even as a long term BTSX bull.

But as I see it, if BitUSD or BTSX or Bitcoin for that matter gets wildly popular and used, the USD would be dead, same as EUR.

But will gold be dead? You can buy bitGLD currently and bitSLV (silver) in the future for a stable store of value, if / when fiat does take a turn for the worse.

I think BTC and BTSX will always be volatile, kind of like a publicly traded company's stock.

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My balance and transactions have disappeared after installation. If anybody know how to fix it I would be very grateful  :)

Try to right click anywhere inside the app window and press reload button and let us know whether this helps.

This worked for me. I had to do it again when I closed and reopened the client.

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I support MethodX for salary delegate. The post on BitcoinMarkets, making BitsharesMarkets subreddit, the whatisbitusd.com site, rallying to determine open bazaar feasibility, and the push to promote finding niche bit asset markets, are some examples of your past contributions.

Looking forward to seeing what you can do with more incentive and time to contribute to the project.

 +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Short sell bitusd
« on: October 28, 2014, 07:43:48 pm »
The whole shorting thing is ridiculous to comprehend.  I still don't know how orders actually get filled.  I've had orders out for weeks and they never get filled...

Why can't we have a "Short bitUSD at Market Price" order?

This complexity is what makes people leery of bitshares...

You can short bitUSD at the market price with the latest changes (maybe you could before too)? If you set the Interest Rate and Quantity of bitUSD to short, leaving the price limit blank, the short price will be set at median feed price. The Collateral field is automatically filled when you set the Quantity. When you leave the price limit blank, the Quantity adjusts on your Open Short Sell BitUSD Order as the feed price moves. Your order is competing against the other open shorts on interest rate offered.
 
So the way I have been viewing the likely hood of my short being matched is, how much cheaper bitUSD is for sale (cheaper than the median price feed)? That much bitUSD must be bought before the buy demand starts chomping into the short wall and filling short orders.

So after your short is filled, it becomes a margin order. (is filled the proper terminology here?) Since I am on the short side, I want my BTSX to have higher buying power when I cover my short. So now I wait for the next rise to buy some bitUSD, and cover. Hopefully this will be a profitable scenario for me, and the interest I have to pay doesn't wash out my profit margin.

Hope that helps.

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General Discussion / Re: Is this how Bitshares works?
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:02:06 am »
So after reading up, can someone confirm or deny this is how Bitshares works please?

1) So, basically Bitshares is composed of two things, Assets which track/are equal to real world items(such as 1 BitUSD= 1 USD), and the decentralized exchange, where you can trade those assets for BTSX(Bitshares) coins.

2) A DAC is where you get income proportional to your stake, similar to staking in normal PoS coins where you get a certain % interest from holding the coin in your wallet for (x) number of days.

3) There are 100 delegates, which may be voted upon by shareholders. Delegates represent the shareholders in the sense that you need 51% approval to make irreversible votes(51% attack?), and having 100 delegates represent the majority of the shareholders makes it much easier to accomplish the 51% approval in a fast amount of time.

Overall) So putting it all together, Bitshares is similar to a decentralized government or corporate entity, it has delegates that are voted upon to represent the majority of the shareholders, a decentralized exchange to exchange assets for their real world counterparts, and all shareholders or people holding BitshareX, gets paid proportionally to the amount of BitshareX they hold. Basically, Bitshares gives up mining as in PoW(Bitcoin) for a staking approach(similar to normal PoS), but with the added bonus of having a decetralized asset exchange and 100 delegates to represent the shareholders in the Bitshares network.

I just have one question, about the assets, are they created by users themselves? So similar to other decentralized exchanges, I can create my own asset and peg the value to 1 USD?

BitSharesX (soon to be rebranded as just BitShares) is the DAC. "DAC" is a metaphor for explaining the network; the Decentralized Autonomous Company is a decentralized peer to peer network similar to Bitcoin but different in that the value spent securing the network can be used to bolster it as well (instead of ending up in the pocket of power companies to the tune of $500 million annually in the case of Bitcoin). DACs are secured by delegates which are "hired" by the stakeholders via approval voting. The delegates are the block producers; 101 of them are active at any given time and they can set a pay rate and campaign for the voting power of your stake by offering some value back to the ecosystem (development, marketing, reliability, etc).  If a delegate fails to live up to their expectations, or are intentionally malicious they may be "fired" by the stakeholders removing their vote from that delegate. Delegate slots 102-200 are standby delegates, ready to produce blocks if someone is voted out of the top 101.

BTSX is currently the token for the network (soon to be rebranded as BTS); all of the transaction fees are paid using BTSX, and BTSX is used to collateralize the market pegged bitAssets (like bitUSD). There is no concept of "staking" your BTSX to receive more; although you could profit from covering a short order for a market pegged asset if the value of BTSX vs. the asset rises between the moment you fill the short and the moment you cover it.

BitAssets provide yield which is paid from the market transaction fees out of a reserve fund. Short orders compete on % interest paid.

I would say your comparison is correct, except that delegates do not have that much voting power (they don't act like representatives in a republic; rather the BitShares democracy is more liquid and based on overall stakeholder approval). They just get paid to produce blocks, and are responsible for keeping their node reliable, producing feeds for market assets, and updating the client quickly, amongst other things I am sure I am missing.

Market assets (bitAssets) aren't issued by users. In order for a market asset to start trading, 51 of the delegates must be producing a price feed for said asset. There are user issued assets as well, but the market issued assets supply starts at 0 and they must be shorted ("minted") into existence by putting up the required BTSX as collateral (3x). User issued assets also exist though, so you could issue your own asset on the BitShares exchange and distribute the supply as you see fit.

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General Discussion / Re: What is BTS mission?
« on: October 25, 2014, 08:43:23 am »
These questions as well as a lot of the very interesting discussion across the forums lately got me thinking, below I have included my interpretation of what BitShares is all about (bolded) in response to the thought provoking questions you put forward Brian. My thoughts are inspired by the community at large for all the discussion around BTS the Platform, cooperatives, self regulating DACs, and the evolution of organizational structures that the ideal DAC represents.

This is a GREAT topic and one i've been discussing recently with Dan and others on the core team.  I wrote this up just a couple days ago in fact, and looking to get feedback on what you may think of the quality of the questions, and of course the answers to these.  This is a perfect time to clarify and find focus for BitShares, with all the upcoming changes:

BITSHARES:  BRAND, MESSAGE AND MISSION


WHAT IS OUR MISSION?
Why are we in business? What is our highest value? What is our purpose for existing?

The purpose of BitShares is to engender a high degree of transparency and privacy for the good of the global societal collective. BitShares values the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and prosperity and strives to enable the voluntary security of these rights for all of humanity. To that end, BitShares utilizes the concept of universal transparent ledgers introduced by Satoshi Nakamoto in Bitcoin to enhance the trust, engagement, and connectedness of global citizens in preexisting social and civic systems, now made possible with consensus driven blockchain technology. BitShares can achieve these goals due to the self organizing and regulating nature of Decentralized Autonomous Companies which enable new forms of collective human behavior whereby the incentives of all participants are aligned.

WHAT BUSINESS ARE WE IN?
In one sentence, what do we do? What IS BitShares?  If we can’t explain it in a tweet (140 characters), we don’t know what business we’re in. (very challenging to do that now).

Taking a few jabs at this one...

BitShares is a decentralized platform, enabling consensus driven collective action applicable to ledger based systems like money and voting.

BitShares is a new kind of platform for enabling consensus driven collective action applied to ledger based systems like money and voting.


WHAT DO WE DO BEST?
We need to do ONE thing well and we need to be the BEST at doing that thing. 
What do we do better than anyone else in the world?

BitShares is the de facto leader in applying collective action in a consensus driven manner for the betterment of humanity. Specifically, what BitShares does better is collective organization where all participants benefit maximally because none have an unfair advantage due to wealth, influence, or power.

IS IT EASY TO UNDERSTAND?
Our business needs to be CLEAR to understand. 
People should “get it” immediately.

The point to drive home is that BitShares aims to be a more efficient, fair, and mutually beneficial collective organizational structure than any which have been realized by modern civilization. It could potentially be the backbone for a global sharing economy.

IS OUR SERVICE INTUITIVE TO USE?
BitShares software needs to be easy to use and intuitive. 
Is it fast and easy to download? Is it easy to use and share it with others?

Like a fine wine, it gets better with age. The software ecosystem is yet young and I am sure we will see client ease of use become smoother and larger potential userbases as mobile and web wallet functionality is built.

WHY SHOULD ANYONE CARE ABOUT BITSHARES?
Why would most people be interested in what we have to offer?
Do people know WIIFM (what’s in it for me?)

A more efficient organizational structure means more resources within the system are put to better use. These efficiency gains are shared by all participants in a Decentralized Autonomous Company. What's in it for everybody besides that self interested benefit is the ability to hold the public institutions that serve us and bind us together as a global community to a higher standard of excellence by giving the public at large the ability to independently audit the open source software or "constitution" of the DAC at any time. A DAC organization naturally fends off corruption because by its transparent and open nature the interests of the majority are always properly aligned.

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Poloniex trades both, and they honored BTSX and DNS snapshots.

Poloniex is now down, and getting sued.

Mintpal just died and I'm a bit worried poloniex is next.

I wouldnt give them a bunch of DNS.  I have doubts that it will actually make it to DNS holders.
It looks like Poloniex is still up, and the only exchange I heard about getting sued is Cryptsy.

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General Discussion / Re: 0.4.2 can't sync block
« on: October 22, 2014, 03:43:42 pm »
I am running 0.4.20 on OS X 10.10 without any sync problems. Did you mean to say "0.4.20"?

0.4.2 is an old version and hard forks have been implemented since then.

Alternatively you could back up your data directory and try a "clean slate" approach (keeping the same wallet file only) to see if it is prompted to sync.

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General Discussion / Re: drltc is joining the BitShares team
« on: October 21, 2014, 07:59:15 pm »
Congrats DRILL TICK (someone @ the Vegas conf. mentioned that's how they pronounce your name; now I can't stop reading it that way) & Agent86! The BitShares dev team just keeps getting stronger and stronger.

+5%

drltc: I'm curious if finishing the technical spec. bounty will be first task on your radar?

https://github.com/drltc/docblock

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 21, 2014, 07:05:01 pm »


You guys....  I need to log-off this train wreck for the day.

In the end I will never be too pissed because BTSX definitely gains from this and I have a large stake in BTS. However that was never my interest and I'm not sure we couldn't have just added dilution to BTSX and went from there unchanged.

I hope one guy isn't sitting somewhere whispering ideas into someone's ear and then they end up becoming self-fulfilling due to the way this forum/social hierarchy works.
I think it's pretty obvious what happened.  Everyone knew the original plan was to develop multiple DACs, however a majority invested heavy in BTSX rather than the ecosystem as a whole, then freaked out when they realized there might be some competition in the marketplace (even without any actual details that anyone was actually going to eat their lunch).  This action impressed on BM that this was going to be an ongoing gripe and headache unless he catered to his majority investors and focused on the single DAC.

All those heavily invested in BTSX already had some very vested interest in pushing for focus of development since they had a large portion of their money backing a single horse.

Now of course you saw this very quick push for "consensus" and everyone painted on their plastic smiles to pretend like going back on all the core principles of Bitshares and it's proposed ecosystem was somehow a good thing to help save the tanking BTSX price.

Most people invested heavy in BTSX so of course you are going to see a majority of the community pushing along whatever benefits them the most.

While being personally disappointed in how all this went down, BM was left with the choice to stick to the original road map and alienate and piss off (however irrational that reaction was) the majority of his investors or take a very radical course to placate them, maybe lose the minority and stop similar crises in the future.

I think it's much simpler than that: it's not possible to focus on building multiple companies all at once. Focusing on launching one successful company is hard enough as it is; even Elon Musk couldn't focus on 5 companies (that compete with each other!) at the same time.

I agree. Rather than spreading the developer talent thin, this proposal is reuniting the cause, eliminating competition within the BTS ecosystem and sharpening focus. This is the right move considering the nearest competitor (Ethereum) already has a huge leg up on marketing.

You can view it in a negative light as i3 going back on the initial plan, but I prefer to look at it as a consolidation measure / pivot to make the BitShares ecosystem viable in the long run. Start ups pivot all the time when the market they are competing within changes, or flaws in initial designs / plans become apparent. They are proposing a flexible adaptation to stay viable against other BTC 2.0 technologies and unite the BitShares ecosystem under one cause / DAC.

 +5%

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General Discussion / Re: BitsharesX Marketing Slogan
« on: October 20, 2014, 06:26:11 pm »
These slogans are probably too wordy for mass market use but I was trying to capture the essence of what i3 is trying to accomplish.  ;D

BitShares: Securing Liberty for All With Applied Democratic Consensus

BitShares: Handing Humanity the Key to Financial Freedom

BitShares: Securing Shared Liberty, Bit by Bit

BitShares: Blockchain Backed Peace, Privacy, and Prosperity

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I was on board with the proposal before the session, and my position is even more solidified after listening to Dan explain himself for the following reasons:

1) Simplifying the message (consolidation of DACs that make sense to consolidate, rebranding of BTSX to BTS) will tilt possible future users that are "on the fence" about investing or having trouble understanding (non technical users especially). Snapshotting PTS and combining it with AGS into a user issued asset or buying them out and ending them simplifies my BitShares elevator pitch considerably.

2) Passing the delegated capital infusion (better name for dilution discussed on mumble) measure will future proof BitShares DAC by allowing for opportunities that require more capital to be taken advantage of.

3) Network effect will come more rapidly with multiple pronged approach stemming from one DAC.

4) bitUSD isn't split between the DACs that have the biggest chance at network effect (if VOTE is "cannabilized" by BTS). Thus, volume and liquidity will not be split.

5) Hard Fork approval voting allows the DAC to regulate itself, a very necessary tool for coming to a consensus on the implementation of functionality that the community is divided on.

Full disclosure: I hold BTSX, VOTE snapshot, NOTE snapshot + presale.

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General Discussion / Bitcoins and Gravy: BitShares Music interview
« on: October 19, 2014, 09:03:20 pm »
Very informative interview about the Music DAC. cob & eddie distilled the utility of the DAC, DPoS, and where bitUSD fits into the system quite well without getting overly technical.

http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/bitcoins-and-gravy-episode-38-bitshares-music

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