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Title: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on October 23, 2018, 11:04:25 am
NAME:   bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
WORKER HANDLER:   smartcoin-marketing (a committee owned account)
TOTAL:   9M BTS
DURATION:   2018/11/10 - 2019/2/7 (90 days)
DAILY PAY:   100K BTS
WORKER ID:   1.14.129


“Stable coin” become hot recently and attracted much attention,  the event that USDT is discounted more than 5% bring great worry on this token that occupy more than 95% stable coin market shares, now there is a great market chance for smartcoins, we should not miss it and need to do some big promotion to extend the market share.

Now one of the biggest market for stable coin is exchange, exchange has the demand to adopt stable coin as base trading currency, to encourage every potential people in this world to help to lobby the exchanges to adopt bitCNY and bitUSD, after community discussion, now we create a worker proposal for a bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign.

1. Bounty quantity

the 4 most famous exchange: binance, OKEX, Huobi, Bitfinex.      1M/0.5M BTS

Top 20 in coinmarketcap  Adj.Vol(24h) ranking                           400K/200K BTS

Top 50 in coinmarketcap  Adj.Vol(24h) ranking                           200K/100K BTS

open smartcoin market: one exchange open smartcoin market means the exchange adopt smartcoin as base trading currency and list at least 3
relevant trading pairs, including BTC/smartcoin.

if one succeed to lobby one of the 4 most famous exchange -  Binance, OKEX, Huobi, Bitfinex to open smartcoin market, he/she will get 1M BTS as reward for the first adopted smartcoin(either bitCNY or bitUSD), 0.5M BTS as reward for the second adopted smartcoin(either bitCNY or bitUSD).

for other exchanges, the reward is as listed above based on the Adj.Vol(24 hours) ranking in coinmarketcap.com.

2. Work verification and reward distribution
Bitshares Committee will take the responsibility to verify the work of lobbyist and decide the distribution of reward.

People who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby, if finally the exchange open smartcoin market, the lobbyist need to provide evidence that it’s his/her work that make things happen.

it's possible that the reward for one event (one exchange open 1 smartcoin market) be distributed to more than one people/team, this depend on the committee's judgment on the contribution.

There is a 60 days observation period, if the smartcoin markets are kept open in these period, then the highest  Adj.Vol(24h) rank of this exchange in coinmarketcap in these 60 days will be used to determine the reward.

the worker proposal will end at 2019/2/7, only when exchange open smart coin market from when the worker proposal is active to the end day  then the reward will be distributed accordingly.

this worker proposal will collect totally 9M BTS. it will suffice if not too many exchanges adopt BTS.

if too many exchanges open smart coin markets and the totally 9M BTS is not enough to pay the reward, it is possible that open market operation fund release the fund to fill up the gap. however this need another discussion to reach consensus.

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: sschiessl on October 23, 2018, 11:18:21 am
Lobbying is especially important right now, thank you for that initiative!

Questions on some details:
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on October 23, 2018, 02:47:31 pm
Lobbying is especially important right now, thank you for that initiative!

Questions on some details:
  • Can the Bitshares Committee please confirm taking on this responsibility? Lot's of unpaid reviewing might be necessary
  • What happens if not all 9M BTS will be paid out?
  • I assume the daily pay will go to the comittee-account. Will there be a transparent accounting platform now that the comittee wants to have two workers?

I can confirm that  jademont and I will take the responsibility of reviewing the events relevant to exchanges in Asia, we hope the committee members from western world can also do that in their area however this still need confirmation, we'll try to help if possible.

if not all 9M BTS will be paid out, what  left will be refund to the reserve pool or kept in committee account.

the OMO worker is now voted out, later the left vesting balance will be transferred out and only one single committee-account owned worker will be left and the account will be transparent. if later there will be more committee controlled worker, we can create a specific account will is controlled by committee-account and handle the worker independently.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: clockwork on October 23, 2018, 02:49:29 pm
fwiw, I'm willing to spend necessary time reviewing submissions as needed too
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: R on October 23, 2018, 10:43:09 pm
Can we add "lobby/convince CEX to enable borrowing bitasset with BTS via CEX" as a secondary bounty objective? It would help return BTS to the DEX, increase BTS buy pressure on affected CEX & solve CEX bitasset supply issues.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on October 24, 2018, 09:24:53 am
Can we add "lobby/convince CEX to enable borrowing bitasset with BTS via CEX" as a secondary bounty objective? It would help return BTS to the DEX, increase BTS buy pressure on affected CEX & solve CEX bitasset supply issues.

this is  a little complex, need to do some assessment before marketing, I don't recommend it to be included in this worker proposal.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Bangzi on October 24, 2018, 10:30:29 am
Voted!!! +5% +5%
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on October 24, 2018, 10:30:34 am
Lobbying is especially important right now, thank you for that initiative!

Questions on some details:
  • Can the Bitshares Committee please confirm taking on this responsibility? Lot's of unpaid reviewing might be necessary
  • What happens if not all 9M BTS will be paid out?
  • I assume the daily pay will go to the comittee-account. Will there be a transparent accounting platform now that the comittee wants to have two workers?

I can confirm that  jademont and I will take the responsibility of reviewing the events relevant to exchanges in Asia, we hope the committee members from western world can also do that in their area however this still need confirmation, we'll try to help if possible.

if not all 9M BTS will be paid out, what  left will be refund to the reserve pool or kept in committee account.

the OMO worker is now voted out, later the left vesting balance will be transferred out and only one single committee-account owned worker will be left and the account will be transparent. if later there will be more committee controlled worker, we can create a specific account will is controlled by committee-account and handle the worker independently.

To be more specific about the first point, all committee members should take responsibility on judging, just the Chinese committee members (bitcrab jademont abit ebit still) are more familiar with Asia exchanges so that they should take more responsibility.

However, I expect a wider discussion about the details to make this bounty more fair and more transparent while it can really incentivize people to do the job.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: yury on October 24, 2018, 01:45:29 pm
I doubt a big exchange would accept these relatively low liquidity assets and take risk of being force settled and end up with bunch of BTS loosing its price dramatically. Especially when price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus and collective agreement to do so, or driven by open public threats to those who don't obey. 
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on October 25, 2018, 07:27:55 am
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

account:bitcrab
email:[email protected]

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: clockwork on October 25, 2018, 07:43:11 am
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

account:bitcrab
email:[email protected]

LBank already list BTS no? seems like a good choice to take the next step
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: abit on October 25, 2018, 09:52:00 pm
I doubt a big exchange would accept these relatively low liquidity assets and take risk of being force settled and end up with bunch of BTS loosing its price dramatically. Especially when price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus and collective agreement to do so, or driven by open public threats to those who don't obey.

I think you need to learn more about how BitShares works, and refine your wording properly. As a significant player (I assume you're the face of OpenLedger) in the ecosystem, this is really important.

1. BitUSD holders won't be "being force settled" or "end up with bunch of BTS".
2. Talking about potential "BTS loosing its price dramatically" is not appropriate.
3. "price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus" is incorrect. Witnesses are acting by consensus. As of writing, BSIP42's status is "approved" according to result of consensus voting.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: abit on October 25, 2018, 09:52:55 pm
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

account:bitcrab
email:[email protected]

LBank already list BTS no? seems like a good choice to take the next step
This proposal aims for exchanges listing bitCNY/bitUSD as base currency like BTC or USDT.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on October 25, 2018, 10:18:19 pm
I've negotiated with LATOKEN (number 36 when I looked  today) to list bitUSD and bitCNY for 7 BTC + 1 BTC in native token. Both will be listed with 4 pairs (BTC, ETH, USDT and LAT).

Notwithstanding the bounty and discussion over whether this counts as 'base' I would like to see us get listed and I've got a draft agreement from LATOKEN. I have emailed BBF for some guidance on how it gets finalised.

Bitshares: matle85
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on October 25, 2018, 10:25:56 pm
That's the price for both by the way - negotiated down as it was originally per coin.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Digital Lucifer on October 26, 2018, 12:20:58 am
I've negotiated with LATOKEN (number 36 when I looked  today) to list bitUSD and bitCNY for 7 BTC + 1 BTC in native token. Both will be listed with 4 pairs (BTC, ETH, USDT and LAT).

Notwithstanding the bounty and discussion over whether this counts as 'base' I would like to see us get listed and I've got a draft agreement from LATOKEN. I have emailed BBF for some guidance on how it gets finalised.

Bitshares: matle85

There is no reason for movement and achievement like this that your Bounty is being used for listing. It would be also very bad incentive for future movements of Community like yours here. I believe that both BBF(maybe mistaken, but I've seen someone else's offer around) and bitcrab are offering Bounties for getting us on listings. Please be kind and send an email with details for LATOKEN on email I've PM'ed to You in Telegram, and I'll personally forward it to BBF with Worker Proposal that will cover the listing fee.

Blockchain is getting listed, and blockchain has to pay.
You are helping the blockchain with it, and you have to get your reward (bitcrab's bounty).

Please do not hesitate to contact me directly in Telegram if you need anything.

If anyone disagree with what I've just said, please provide reasonable "why".

Chee®s
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: clockwork on October 26, 2018, 05:05:29 am
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

account:bitcrab
email:[email protected]

LBank already list BTS no? seems like a good choice to take the next step
This proposal aims for exchanges listing bitCNY/bitUSD as base currency like BTC or USDT.

I know. I was just commenting that it was a good choice  to target them since they ALREADY list BTS.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on October 26, 2018, 08:06:15 am
Thanks DL, really appreciated.

Note I'm also quite far along in discussions with Hotbit and  am just getting the draft package details.

Gemeni are not interested (competing stable coin so not that surprising).

Bitbay are not interested in stable coins at the minute but I'm discussing listing BTS with them.


Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: yury on November 01, 2018, 03:24:01 pm

1. BitUSD holders won't be "being force settled" or "end up with bunch of BTS".
Accepted, my understanding of the mechanism was incorrect. Sorry for that.

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2. Talking about potential "BTS loosing its price dramatically" is not appropriate.
What's wrong with that? This may happen with ANY crypto or fiat currency.

Quote
3. "price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus" is incorrect. Witnesses are acting by consensus. As of writing, BSIP42's status is "approved" according to result of consensus voting.
Originally the price was adjusted by some witnesses w/o consensus. This may happen again.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 04, 2018, 12:25:26 pm
Ok I have 3 top 50 exchanges ready to list both bitCNY and bitUSD with draft agreements outlined. Each will list the two stablecoins against 3-4 pairs.

There is a bit of a fee to pay and some technical support required from the foundation side so have raised it to DL for him to look at and discuss with others more in the loop than me.

Notwithstanding discussion over whether this qualifies for a bounty (i.e. if the mention of 'base' mean more than securing 3 pairs for the coin) I'd love to see bitCNY and bitUSD entering the current public discussion around stable coins so really want to see the listings go ahead.

Happy to assist elsewhere as required - I'm not following up on my initial discussions with other exchanges at the minute as no point in ending up with 5 or 6 on board with no way to get them over the line :)
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: xeroc on November 04, 2018, 04:01:18 pm
Ok I have 3 top 50 exchanges ready to list both bitCNY and bitUSD with draft agreements outlined. Each will list the two stablecoins against 3-4 pairs.

There is a bit of a fee to pay and some technical support required from the foundation side so have raised it to DL for him to look at and discuss with others more in the loop than me.

Notwithstanding discussion over whether this qualifies for a bounty (i.e. if the mention of 'base' mean more than securing 3 pairs for the coin) I'd love to see bitCNY and bitUSD entering the current public discussion around stable coins so really want to see the listings go ahead.

Happy to assist elsewhere as required - I'm not following up on my initial discussions with other exchanges at the minute as no point in ending up with 5 or 6 on board with no way to get them over the line :)

This sounds awesome! Good job.
I'd like to clarify a few things:
1. DL and the "foundation" (assuming you mean the BBF) are independent entities. DL is with the MOVE institute and the BBF is separate from them.
2. The BBF can assist by providing an opinion letter about BTS, but has non for bitUSD/bitCNY so far. If the exchanges are interested in getting their lawyers connected, please send an email to [email protected]
3. For technical support, a 3rd party entity is required, the BBF has no resources to lead technical integration. Surely, there are companies in the space that can lead those efforts. If you need someone, contact me via [email protected]
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 04, 2018, 04:22:48 pm
Hi Xeroc, yep sorry BBF :) I believe DL was going to raise it as a potential worker to the BBF as per his earlier post here and gauge it's likeliness to pass.

The worker would need to cover the listing fee and then some allowance for people on the Bitshares side assisting technically with the integration - I think DL is much clearer on the quantum of effort involved in that side of things (and who can do it) than me.

Additionally it would be better for the worker to sit under someone more established / trusted in the community with a track record on some workers. I'm a trustworthy guy (honest!) but obviously nobody has seen me do much for Bitshares yet so I wouldn't expect the proxies to sign over X BTC worth of funds to me.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Digital Lucifer on November 05, 2018, 08:19:33 am
Hi Xeroc, yep sorry BBF :) I believe DL was going to raise it as a potential worker to the BBF as per his earlier post here and gauge it's likeliness to pass.

The worker would need to cover the listing fee and then some allowance for people on the Bitshares side assisting technically with the integration - I think DL is much clearer on the quantum of effort involved in that side of things (and who can do it) than me.

Additionally it would be better for the worker to sit under someone more established / trusted in the community with a track record on some workers. I'm a trustworthy guy (honest!) but obviously nobody has seen me do much for Bitshares yet so I wouldn't expect the proxies to sign over X BTC worth of funds to me.

100% correct and thank you! @Xeroc was just clearing out fuddy air that I'm not being part of or involved (partnered) with BBF.

Mathew, I'll reach you out later today (it's chaotic Monday), I've got some new info on exchanges you are negotiating atm.

Chee®s
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on November 05, 2018, 09:12:04 am
this worker is to pay for what the lobbyist had done for listing, I feel the lobbyist may need to open other worker proposal to pay exchange the listing fee.

to me it is OK for a top50 CEX charge 8 BTC to list BTS, open bitCNY and bitUSD market with more than 3 pairs for each.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 06, 2018, 10:53:10 am
Can we add "lobby/convince CEX to enable borrowing bitasset with BTS via CEX" as a secondary bounty objective? It would help return BTS to the DEX, increase BTS buy pressure on affected CEX & solve CEX bitasset supply issues.

this is  a little complex, need to do some assessment before marketing, I don't recommend it to be included in this worker proposal.

I have some discussions underway on this and think I may be getting a little traction... Tricky but let's see. Will keep people informed.

(Note I know this is outside of the worker)
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on November 06, 2018, 12:59:54 pm
I'm pretty sure its a waste of funds and reputation of bitshares.
Majority of top 50 exchanges have faked volume.
The proposed exchange of bitcrab is the worst bitshares could join.
RightBTC is known being run by Eric Gu who used it basicly to create fake volume for his own projects ETP ,ZGC etc .
The real volume there is nearly ZERO.
They don't even have a working withdraw system but are doing it manually with a delay of up to 7 days where you need to beg their support Betty Zhang to even process it.
Latoken's volume will be also a joke when monitoring the coins they listed before since they started asking to list anything as long as the coin is willing to pay their listing fee.
Real big exchanges won't list now bitassets because the risk a small uncontrolable group changes major settings is way to high as they would ever take that responsibility.

The funds would be just wasted instead of being used for real marketing.Listing on new exchanges were the volume will be near zero isn't helping any bitasset at all or are we going to ask Eric to create also fake volume for our bitassets ?

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3. "price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus" is incorrect. Witnesses are acting by consensus. As of writing, BSIP42's status is "approved" according to result of consensus voting.

I have never seen any accouncement how exectly the price feed will be manipulated and in which borders it will stay.
I doubt even 5% of the traders on bitshares knows how the price feed manipulation works and where its borders are if there are any at all.
Its a small group talking between themself adjusting and twisting and not informing the community at all.

Just because a handfull of proxies agreed on it doesn't mean the majority of traders agree on it or even have a clue what exectly is happening.
There was also no annoucement of bitusd feed price getting manipulated .It just raised by 40% .
This kind of behavior is the reason why no big exchange is going to implement these bitassets as a small group is using it as it is their private toy they can experiment with.
People using stablecoins don't look for these kind of experiments but for stability of contract.
Even a large bitshares group left our own bitassets because of that lack of trust thanks to your actions and joined diffrent stable coins like DAO.
You also want people to create more bitassets by opening margins (debt).
Tell me who is going to open any margins when their CR jumps in days from 2to 2.5 and back down to 1.6 without the market making any signaficant moves?

Its funny you are talking about an opportunity for stable coins because Tether is currently massivly under pressure as people don't belive that its backed 1:1 and at the same time talk about removing "black swan" so the CR could go under 1
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: R on November 07, 2018, 03:26:54 pm
Would it not be better to get BTS added to these CEX instead of a single bitasset?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 07, 2018, 04:05:49 pm
Would it not be better to get BTS added to these CEX instead of a single bitasset?

I remember someone mentioning there was already a listing bounty for BTS a few weeks ago (I think on Telegram?) but can't find the message.

To add bitCNY or bitUSD the exchange has to connect into Bitshares so adding any other coins (BTS, Zeph etc) would be much more straight forward.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: yury on November 12, 2018, 03:26:32 pm

The worker would need to cover the listing fee and then some allowance for people on the Bitshares side assisting technically with the integration - I think DL is much clearer on the quantum of effort involved in that side of things (and who can do it) than me.

Although I'm not a big optimist regarding listing of bit assets on CEXes at the moment, I would like to claim that OpenLedger would be happy to provide technical integration of any of bit assets or BTS itself with a CEX software. We can provide an estimate for specific case.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thom on November 12, 2018, 04:52:15 pm
There was also no annoucement of bitusd feed price getting manipulated .It just raised by 40% .
This kind of behavior is the reason why no big exchange is going to implement these bitassets as a small group is using it as it is their private toy they can experiment with.

I stopped my USD feed when USD feed manipulation started, despite xeroc and others being very direct in saying experimentation on that bitasset was dangerous and should wait for the MCR fix. Nevertheless, many witnesses decided to start playing around with BitUSD despite admonitions and the dangers.

I'm sure some of the witnesses that did so justify their actions saying bsip42 didn't prohibit it. In fact the only statement about when experimentation could start on BitUSD is:
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It will be good to apply the change to bitCNY first, which has much better liquidity than other smartcoins. After witnesses and community learned enough in the process it can be also applied to bitUSD.

When did we pass the threshold of "enough" ?

I have maintained from the start how loose and vague the language of bsip42 was, and have been vocal about tightening that up BEFORE the MCR fix is ready and another hap hazard, poorly organized round of "experiments" are conducted, but that thread (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27260.msg323177#msg323177) has not gotten the attention it should have.

Another important point is that bsip42 can be enabled and disabled at anytime through the poll workers 1.14.118 and 1.14.119, which is the best thing about how bsip42 was written. However, as of this moment the NO worker has only 6 committee supporters while the YES worker has 8. The plain fact is bsip42 could be disabled at any time by committee involvement.

The bsip should never have been approved as written. It was too vague, especially regarding use on non CNY bitAssets. Xeroc has been vocal about wanting to support the bsip for CNY, but not USD. He was put in a bad position due to how the bsip was written. I presume that's why he is supporting the YES worker. IMO he should have pulled his vote for YES and added it to NO worker as soon as it became apparent manipulation of BitUSD started, but he didn't.

TBH and genuine with my sentiments on this matter I am disgusted by the lack of concern I see on this feed issue as well as how poorly our "DPoS governance" works to establish consensus on important matters. 

Although Thul3 was very blunt with his most recent remarks I can't say I blame him for expressing his dissatisfaction with a strong emotional tone. I also think he raises an excellent point about why would any legit, non-fake volume exchange risk listing out bitassets with all this drama going on. The ecosystem is not unified and doesn't seem to operate with consensus and clear understanding of how to manage or market bitassets.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 17, 2018, 10:44:32 am
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

account:bitcrab
email:[email protected]

Hi Bitcrab - I contacted RightBTC on 20 October when we were discussing the draft worker. They are registered in Dubai which gives me some connection.

They have come back to me today with a quotation for listing bitCNY. I am not sure if you are discussing with them separately but I have private messaged you on Telegram so we can coordinate.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on November 18, 2018, 09:39:42 pm
RightBTC is owned by Eric GU.
The CEO of viewfin who is running Metaverse and who scammed investors of Zengold which should be known by bitshares members on DEX.
The company is being operated from China.
Withdrawing something on RightBTC even BTS takes 24h and can go up to 7 days.
Just have a look at their support channel where each days people come begging to process their withdrawl request.
Also RightBTC is a very small exchange with faked volume where volume have been already excluded by CMC for some coins.


It would be a waste of funds for these mentioned exchanges.
Eric GU is even getting sued currently by Zengold investors.

LaToken is also only Top100 because of fake volume.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 19, 2018, 07:07:12 am
Just have a look at their support channel where each days people come begging to process their withdrawl request.
Also RightBTC is a very small exchange with faked volume where volume have been already excluded by CMC for some coins.

Hi Thule, we are doing due diligence at the minute on the exchange listing options we have - this includes looking at reputation / user feedback and any concerns over volume. We want to make sure any listings add genuine value to Bitshares.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on November 21, 2018, 12:13:11 pm
Just to note that bione.cc is going to list BTS and open the bitcny trading zone.

bione.cc is a new exchange but have top 20 trading volume, though some of the volume is not that reliable, but I feel like top 50 is their right place.

They ask for 7 ETH plus 300k BTS for listing fee and marketing.

How about pay 500K BTS in total for all cost including the compensation for lobbyists? 
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ljk424 on November 21, 2018, 01:10:10 pm
Just to note that bione.cc is going to list BTS and open the bitcny trading zone.

bione.cc is a new exchange but have top 20 trading volume, though some of the volume is not that reliable, but I feel like top 50 is their right place.

They ask for 7 ETH plus 300k BTS for listing fee and marketing.

How about pay 500K BTS in total for all cost including the compensation for lobbyists?
great!
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: sschiessl on November 21, 2018, 01:12:50 pm
Just to note that bione.cc is going to list BTS and open the bitcny trading zone.

bione.cc is a new exchange but have top 20 trading volume, though some of the volume is not that reliable, but I feel like top 50 is their right place.

They ask for 7 ETH plus 300k BTS for listing fee and marketing.

How about pay 500K BTS in total for all cost including the compensation for lobbyists?

Do you have a link to them in CMC?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ljk424 on November 21, 2018, 01:23:18 pm
BTS(比特股)登录BIONE交易所的公告 :D :D :D
https://bione.cc/a/detail1542792667000.html
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: sschiessl on November 21, 2018, 03:25:30 pm
BTS(比特股)登录BIONE交易所的公告 :D :D :D
https://bione.cc/a/detail1542792667000.html

They have no impressum, or do state what is the legal entity behind the exchange (at least I couldn't find one). On the site and the "Contact" or "Join us" buttons are not functional.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thom on November 21, 2018, 04:13:41 pm
BTS(比特股)登录BIONE交易所的公告 :D :D :D
https://bione.cc/a/detail1542792667000.html

They have no impressum, or do state what is the legal entity behind the exchange (at least I couldn't find one). On the site and the "Contact" or "Join us" buttons are not functional.

Not a very good sign of a reliable reputation either.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on November 21, 2018, 04:22:23 pm
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instead of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on November 21, 2018, 05:04:53 pm
Just to note that bione.cc is going to list BTS and open the bitcny trading zone.

bione.cc is a new exchange but have top 20 trading volume, though some of the volume is not that reliable, but I feel like top 50 is their right place.

They ask for 7 ETH plus 300k BTS for listing fee and marketing.

How about pay 500K BTS in total for all cost including the compensation for lobbyists?

Do you have a link to them in CMC?

I am told that it's a new exchange therefore CMC hasn't listed them, but you can check their info from another website similar to CMC :https://www.feixiaohao.com/exchange/bione/

Anyway, I haven't made my mind to pay them yet, however, as they are showing interests in bitCNY and BTS, at least we can put this exchange on the watch list. After all, cointiger is the only exchange with bitcny trading zone, and we need more of them.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on November 21, 2018, 05:13:33 pm
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges

To be qualified for the bounty, a top 50 exchange has to list bitCNY and BTS and keep their ranking for at least 2 months, that's much higher cost than the rewards. I doubt exchange would play tricks just for the bounty. Even 300K BTS is not a big number at current price. 
If I remember correctly, we spent millions of BTS for listing on binance.com and aex.com, when the BTS price was much higher than now.
BTW, I really agree that we should spend most of the money for top 5 exchanges.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on November 21, 2018, 05:32:01 pm
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges

To be qualified for the bounty, a top 50 exchange has to list bitCNY and BTS and keep their ranking for at least 2 months, that's much higher cost than the rewards. I doubt exchange would play tricks just for the bounty. Even 300K BTS is not a big number at current price. 
If I remember correctly, we spent millions of BTS for listing on binance.com and aex.com, when the BTS price was much higher than now.
BTW, I really agree that we should spend most of the money for top 5 exchanges.

Binance has real volume and getting listed there also increases reputation.However Binance would never list currently bitassets.You can trust me on that since i worked a lot with Binance in the past.AEX is also a legit exchange which had history even i don't like them much as they got many scam coins listed from early crypto times.
However they are working legit as exchange and prodviding a nice support for both chinese and international traders.

But the mentioned exchanges in this topic are just horrible.Have no real volume,no reputation their support sucks and will only lead to massiv complaints.
And you are wrong exchanges are creating fake volume to send out their so called representatives which contact projects via telegram and ask if a coin wants to get listed on a Top 50 CMC exchange where in reality they are not even in TOP 100.
They demand everything from 2-21 BTC for listing in hope a stupid project agrees on their terms.
What they do after listing is creating wash trading so the customer who spend on listing is happy to have some volume on CMC to make his project look legit.
However this kind of volume is not needed for bitshares and will only lead to massiv complaints and a lose of reputation.
Bitshares is mostly listed on top exchanges and thats why it has a good reputation.Starting listing its bitassets on scam exchanges will only lead to a reduction of bitshares positiv reputation.

Show me one legit exchange people offered here.
Bitcrab mentioned RightBTC.
Eric Gu the owner of RightBTC is being accused of scamming Zengold investors and has now enough trouble with ETP and its unnatural pump and dumps.
The exchange was created since he planned to move his company to Dubai from China but couldn't find any serious partner there so he decided to move his company to HK.
RightBTC is a project which gets no attention from him and was basicly created to create fake volume for ETP and ZGC which were excluded after a time from CMC as it was so obvious that the volume was manipulated by x1000
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: alt on November 21, 2018, 07:40:20 pm
agree.
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 21, 2018, 10:06:41 pm
Alt and Thul - we are decentralised, you do realise there is actually nothing stopping either of you raising a worker and trying to get backing for it?

At least then you could legitimately say "come on guys we are trying here back us up" and complain if the proxies aren't supporting you.

I started typing out some examples but the reality is you both know plenty of the things that could be done so get something out there.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on November 21, 2018, 11:12:46 pm
Alt and Thul - we are decentralised, you do realise there is actually nothing stopping either of you raising a worker and trying to get backing for it?

At least then you could legitimately say "come on guys we are trying here back us up" and complain if the proxies aren't supporting you.

I started typing out some examples but the reality is you both know plenty of the things that could be done so get something out there.

Worker for what ?Its unrealistic to think that you can get currently bitassets to any major exchange with some bribe/bounty .Thats not possible.
All you will get is low volume exchanges which will destroy bitshares reputation.
I worked with exchanges in the last 18 months so i know exectly what they requirements are and what their reply will be.
If it would be possible belive me i would take the bounty however i won't offer any shit exchange to the community just because its on CMC TOP 50.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on November 22, 2018, 03:40:05 am
I also has good contact with binance, it's me that convince them to list BTS. surely that's at their beginning,  far from No.1 in CMC.

yes it's very difficult to convince them to list bitCNY/bitUSD, but anyway, nothing impossible, and actually 1M BTS bounty is a little low for such a listing for binance, IMHO it's OK to pay a 5*listing bounty for binance listing.

however I don't think we need to just focus on the top exchanges, we also need small exchanges, people may remember when ETH is just online, no big exchanges list them, in China it is yunbi that list it first, currently as far as I know we have people working with Poloniex, try to persuade them to open bitUSD/bitCNY market, but we need not to ignore the small exchanges.

RightBTC do not have a good reputation, I stop connecting them. another exchange cointiger.com is interested in open bitUSD now, they have open bitCNY market long ago.

let's go to the market to find good chance.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: xixi002020 on November 22, 2018, 04:48:19 am
I also has good contact with binance, it's me that convince them to list BTS. surely that's at their beginning,  far from No.1 in CMC.

yes it's very difficult to convince them to list bitCNY/bitUSD, but anyway, nothing impossible, and actually 1M BTS bounty is a little low for such a listing for binance, IMHO it's OK to pay a 5*listing bounty for binance listing.

however I don't think we need to just focus on the top exchanges, we also need small exchanges, people may remember when ETH is just online, no big exchanges list them, in China it is yunbi that list it first, currently as far as I know we have people working with Poloniex, try to persuade them to open bitUSD/bitCNY market, but we need not to ignore the small exchanges.

RightBTC do not have a good reputation, I stop connecting them. another exchange cointiger.com is interested in open bitUSD now, they have open bitCNY market long ago.

let's go to the market to find good chance.

binance这种顶级交易平台,1M BTS确实太少。5M-10M都可以考虑,bitcny,bitusd 一起上。我们的bitcny,bitusd如果本身稳定,没有其他状况,发展良好。那么会有更多大的交易所自愿/免费的增加bitcny,bitusd交易对。
现目前来说,上一个像binance这样的顶级交易所,比上几十个不知名,没有交易量的小型交易所效果要好。
如果我们对bitcny,bitusd有信心,那么还可以用 上币费+保证金 这种模式,毕竟对大型交易所而已 是有一定风险的。

英文不好,抱歉用中文回复。
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 22, 2018, 06:46:47 am
Worker for what ?

A worker for any of the things you guys are complaining about constantly - marketing for example. Everyone knows we need something but Xeroc is the only one I've seen source/share a proposal. Contact some companies or draft a scope.

You can also put yourselves forward as an alternative proxy / witness.

Or just keep complaining / sh*tting on everything without contributing anything productive - it's easy to do that from the sidelines.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on November 22, 2018, 07:30:53 am
@matle85

I know exectly how things works.I'm a business owner for nearly 22 years now and i doubt any of these will succeed.
But to take that argument from people away
i will create a worker proposal for marketing
i will start as a proxy
and i will get a witness (so i can understand and play more with the script,not expecting to get voted in)


BTW the only decent exchange which has already bitshares and could list bitusd is HitBTC .However the volume of BTS there is very low.Past 24h $92 .
RightBTC had a volume of 0
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: alt on November 22, 2018, 07:50:17 am
in fact, to me the only problem for Bitshare is BSIP42, all I want to do is abondon the manipulate and give the correct feed price back.
other issues like the open market operation , bounty to be listed by a nobody exchange  are bad too, sure I will be glad to see these be canceled, but I don't care if these continued.

Bitshare is good enough, just wait the business development. all problems you thought it had are just for some special share holders, not for the system.

Worker for what ?

A worker for any of the things you guys are complaining about constantly - marketing for example. Everyone knows we need something but Xeroc is the only one I've seen source/share a proposal. Contact some companies or draft a scope.

You can also put yourselves forward as an alternative proxy / witness.

Or just keep complaining / sh*tting on everything without contributing anything productive - it's easy to do that from the sidelines.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: alt on November 22, 2018, 07:59:45 am
why not a committee? I would be glad to support you as a committee too.

@matle85

I know exectly how things works.I'm a business owner for nearly 22 years now and i doubt any of these will succeed.
But to take that argument from people away
i will create a worker proposal for marketing
i will start as a proxy
and i will get a witness (so i can understand and play more with the script,not expecting to get voted in)


BTW the only decent exchange which has already bitshares and could list bitusd is HitBTC .However the volume of BTS there is very low.Past 24h $92 .
RightBTC had a volume of 0
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: GBAC on November 22, 2018, 10:43:23 am
I will try UEX

name:linda
bts account:linda-alpha
email:[email protected]
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: finn-bts on November 22, 2018, 12:54:51 pm
I also has good contact with binance, it's me that convince them to list BTS. surely that's at their beginning,  far from No.1 in CMC.

yes it's very difficult to convince them to list bitCNY/bitUSD, but anyway, nothing impossible, and actually 1M BTS bounty is a little low for such a listing for binance, IMHO it's OK to pay a 5*listing bounty for binance listing.

however I don't think we need to just focus on the top exchanges, we also need small exchanges, people may remember when ETH is just online, no big exchanges list them, in China it is yunbi that list it first, currently as far as I know we have people working with Poloniex, try to persuade them to open bitUSD/bitCNY market, but we need not to ignore the small exchanges.

RightBTC do not have a good reputation, I stop connecting them. another exchange cointiger.com is interested in open bitUSD now, they have open bitCNY market long ago.

let's go to the market to find good chance.
We will always support you and thank you for your contribution to BTS.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on November 22, 2018, 02:53:46 pm
@matle85

I know exectly how things works.I'm a business owner for nearly 22 years now and i doubt any of these will succeed.
But to take that argument from people away
i will create a worker proposal for marketing
i will start as a proxy
and i will get a witness (so i can understand and play more with the script,not expecting to get voted in)


BTW the only decent exchange which has already bitshares and could list bitusd is HitBTC .However the volume of BTS there is very low.Past 24h $92 .
RightBTC had a volume of 0

That's great to hear Thule, look forward to reading it and if you want any input / discussions on drafts I'm sure people would be willing to help - marketing is the big one that will take us to the next level.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on November 29, 2018, 11:03:09 am
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges

To be qualified for the bounty, a top 50 exchange has to list bitCNY and BTS and keep their ranking for at least 2 months, that's much higher cost than the rewards. I doubt exchange would play tricks just for the bounty. Even 300K BTS is not a big number at current price. 
If I remember correctly, we spent millions of BTS for listing on binance.com and aex.com, when the BTS price was much higher than now.
BTW, I really agree that we should spend most of the money for top 5 exchanges.

Binance has real volume and getting listed there also increases reputation.However Binance would never list currently bitassets.You can trust me on that since i worked a lot with Binance in the past.AEX is also a legit exchange which had history even i don't like them much as they got many scam coins listed from early crypto times.
However they are working legit as exchange and prodviding a nice support for both chinese and international traders.

But the mentioned exchanges in this topic are just horrible.Have no real volume,no reputation their support sucks and will only lead to massiv complaints.
And you are wrong exchanges are creating fake volume to send out their so called representatives which contact projects via telegram and ask if a coin wants to get listed on a Top 50 CMC exchange where in reality they are not even in TOP 100.
They demand everything from 2-21 BTC for listing in hope a stupid project agrees on their terms.
What they do after listing is creating wash trading so the customer who spend on listing is happy to have some volume on CMC to make his project look legit.
However this kind of volume is not needed for bitshares and will only lead to massiv complaints and a lose of reputation.
Bitshares is mostly listed on top exchanges and thats why it has a good reputation.Starting listing its bitassets on scam exchanges will only lead to a reduction of bitshares positiv reputation.

Show me one legit exchange people offered here.
Bitcrab mentioned RightBTC.
Eric Gu the owner of RightBTC is being accused of scamming Zengold investors and has now enough trouble with ETP and its unnatural pump and dumps.
The exchange was created since he planned to move his company to Dubai from China but couldn't find any serious partner there so he decided to move his company to HK.
RightBTC is a project which gets no attention from him and was basicly created to create fake volume for ETP and ZGC which were excluded after a time from CMC as it was so obvious that the volume was manipulated by x1000
Thanks for your input, it seems you are really familiar with the exchanges stuff, I appreciate it because we do need an adviser for this and hope you can contribute somehow instead of complaining. Anyways, bitCNY/bitUSD is not exploited as base currency by any decent exchange yet.

Then how about coinsuper.com and idax.pro? both of them are top 20 exchanges, but I am not sure about their real volume. They ask for not much, 4-5 bitcoin. As I know coinsuper is a Hongkong exchange with license and fiat channel.

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: George_Bitspark on December 05, 2018, 09:32:19 am
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on December 05, 2018, 09:41:53 am
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on December 06, 2018, 05:17:10 am
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?

I agree to pay listing fee and bounty to lobbyist from this worker proposal, it's reasonable.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: finn-bts on December 06, 2018, 09:37:23 am
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?

I agree to pay listing fee and bounty to lobbyist from this worker proposal, it's reasonable.
First we need to avoid global clearing
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on December 09, 2018, 11:53:53 am
How do we coordinate payment of the listing fee?

I have five ready to go - three of them are good options, two (LATOKEN and RightBTC) I've been told to hold off on for now due to uncertainties over them.

There are two top 20/top 25 (depending on the time of day / week) which agreed to 6BTC / 8 BTC for bitCNY & bitUSD. I can change those to BTS and bitCNY and we can have them up by Christmas if we want.



Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?

I agree to pay listing fee and bounty to lobbyist from this worker proposal, it's reasonable.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on December 09, 2018, 12:44:50 pm
Then how about coinsuper.com and idax.pro? both of them are top 20 exchanges, but I am not sure about their real volume. They ask for not much, 4-5 bitcoin. As I know coinsuper is a Hongkong exchange with license and fiat channel.

I spoke to IDAX a few weeks ago, they were keen to list BTS but not bitCNY at the minute. Where did you get the 4-5BTC figure from? Typically their fees were quite a bit higher than others (12 BTC + depending on the number of pairs).

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on December 09, 2018, 07:37:52 pm
Don't get me wrong.
Why do you guys focus on top 50 CMC based exchanges.
Instead try real exchanges which are not top 50 CMC but with real history and real user base.
IDAX is sending everyone a listing request.What does it bring to get listed on IDAX if the real volume will be like 1000 bitcny per day.

Wasting funds just because they are top 50 CMC instead looking for legit exchanges which are not top 50 as they don't wash trade so heavily is something i don't understand.
Do you want to bring real value or do you just wanna create an image based on fake volume


Quote
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

How many new users will exchanges like RightBTC,IDAX,Sistemkoin,Latoken etc bring ?
Compare that to the amount of new users which it would bring spending that amount of BTS in Marketing or legit exchanges and i doubt you will even get 1/10 on these exchanges .

Maybe it would be worth that you guys check the volume of these exchanges for new listed coins.
Its either none or a very high one (wash trading) where in reality you won't be able to even sell $1000 worth of coins/assets without crashing the price to nirvana

A good example RightBTC.Ranking number 22 which has BTS listed.
Trading volume for BTS in the past 7 days is ZERO .
So we are going to pay now the listing fee of bitassets and a bounty of 500k BTS and what volume do you realisticly expect that these bitassets will get when nearly all assets there have zero real volume.
LAtaken,Cointiger,IDAX,Sistemkoin etc all the same.
What value does it bring to get there listed ?
In my eyes these funds would be wasted for getting bitassets listed on these kind of exchanges which basicly exist and fake volume to find idiots who will pay for their listing fee's which is their main income.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on December 09, 2018, 08:11:39 pm
Why do you guys focus on top 50 CMC based exchanges.
Instead try real exchanges which are not top 50 CMC but with real history and real user base.

Have you got a list of non-top 50 exchanges fitting this category? Let's get in touch with them and get listed.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on December 09, 2018, 09:01:41 pm
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: clockwork on December 10, 2018, 05:48:36 am
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

nice job..
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: intelliguy on December 10, 2018, 06:41:22 am
At what point did "marketing Bitshares" become "listing BTS on more exchanges" ?

Listing a token in more places does not automatically increase its value and interest. 

We already have gateways to move value in/out of our dex.

Please go back to advertising, and marketing bitshares ideas.  Like coindesk, etc.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on December 10, 2018, 06:46:13 am
the point here is not "listing BTS in more CEX", but "open bitCNY/bitUSD markets in more CEX".
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on December 10, 2018, 08:09:40 am
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.

Nice way of looking at it - Alexa ranking should definitely be considered for exchanges we are looking at as a bit of a sanity check.

Actually gives some interesting info on where people are coming to Bitshares from as well.. DPOS.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on December 18, 2018, 11:40:23 am
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

Nice job. If we have option between livecoin and for example coinsuper, then I will support livecoin, but we don't. The question is, if we have an opportunity to have coinsuper to list bitCNY, should we accept it or refuse it?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on December 18, 2018, 05:36:58 pm
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

Nice job. If we have option between livecoin and for example coinsuper, then I will support livecoin, but we don't. The question is, if we have an opportunity to have coinsuper to list bitCNY, should we accept it or refuse it?

Depends on the bounty and price you need to pay.Cointiger won't make much real volume on bitcny and there should be always the question can these funds be used in a more effectiv way.
In my opinion there are currently many nice solutions which will have a way bigger effect for the same cost like listing on cointiger.
Exchanges like hitbt or bit-z would be nice but getting there is not as easy as the fake exchanges.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: iamredbar on December 19, 2018, 05:33:26 am
At what point did "marketing Bitshares" become "listing BTS on more exchanges" ?

Listing a token in more places does not automatically increase its value and interest. 
  • It could actually decrease its value as exchanges hold large BTS holdings and they could get hacked, or front-run their users, or manipulate the posted price.

We already have gateways to move value in/out of our dex.

Please go back to advertising, and marketing bitshares ideas.  Like coindesk, etc.

One thing that I have been trying to do is use Twitter to share things that are going on in the ecosystem. The handle is @BTS_maximalist

Currently has ~900 followers.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on January 07, 2019, 01:54:07 pm
NAME:   bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
WORKER HANDLER:   smartcoin-marketing (a committee owned account)
TOTAL:   9M BTS
DURATION:   2018/11/10 - 2019/2/7 (90 days)
DAILY PAY:   100K BTS
WORKER ID:   1.14.129

Hi Bitcrab, was this worker active for a period and what funds did it accumulate?

Everything is on hold now due to Refund 400k but if there are some funds for this we could proceed with a listing.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Digital Lucifer on January 09, 2019, 06:45:53 am
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

LaToken has a fake volume generated by the exchange itself + numerous complaints through listings reported in Japan.

What is the number and what is the reality are 2 completely different things, and I suggest before anyone proceed with burning the funds based on Google research without a single interaction with mentioned exchange or at least account with some more experience to be proved - just forget about it.

Most important thing, this was about listing of BitUSD and BitCNY, where USD is currently under BS and not eligible for any listing at all.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on February 18, 2019, 08:08:38 am
I would like to update the status of the work on our side.

We contacted coinsuper exchange and prepared a lot of documents for listing bitCNY&BTS(thanks to the Foundation), however, bitCNY was rejected at the final step, as we don't have legal opinion letter for it, though they are interested in listing BTS itself. They recognized bitCNY as one kind of derivative, instead of utility token.

It's bad but it means it's more necessary to make bitCNY liquid on CEX ASAP, considering the more and more conservative regulatory environment all over the world, and more and more legal stable coin competitors (USDT USDC TUSD....)

We will move on to next exchange which has roughly same ranks with coinsuper.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on February 18, 2019, 08:11:23 am
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

LaToken has a fake volume generated by the exchange itself + numerous complaints through listings reported in Japan.

What is the number and what is the reality are 2 completely different things, and I suggest before anyone proceed with burning the funds based on Google research without a single interaction with mentioned exchange or at least account with some more experience to be proved - just forget about it.

Most important thing, this was about listing of BitUSD and BitCNY, where USD is currently under BS and not eligible for any listing at all.

Doing nothing is the easiest way also the laziest way, unless you have better solution to provide more liquidity for bitCNY/bitUSD.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on February 20, 2019, 09:10:32 pm
Guys I can have bitCNY listed with 2-3 exchanges in the next month if we want - was this worker funded for any length of time?

Is there any BTS assigned to pay the bounty or for listing costs?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on February 20, 2019, 10:11:32 pm
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

LaToken has a fake volume generated by the exchange itself + numerous complaints through listings reported in Japan.

What is the number and what is the reality are 2 completely different things, and I suggest before anyone proceed with burning the funds based on Google research without a single interaction with mentioned exchange or at least account with some more experience to be proved - just forget about it.

Most important thing, this was about listing of BitUSD and BitCNY, where USD is currently under BS and not eligible for any listing at all.

Doing nothing is the easiest way also the laziest way, unless you have better solution to provide more liquidity for bitCNY/bitUSD.

Start proper marketing instead overpaying exchange listing.
I'm currently not much online because of some offline activity.I will be back next week and will be publishing my own proposals which i created before.


How does it come i never heard about coinsuper before ?

Ahh i know
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/coinsuper.com

One of the smallest exchanges which exist with 99,9% fake volume and many bad reviews about insta dumping.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4939930.0
How much are you going to pay them ?If you want i will open tomorrow also a new exchange and will wash trade it to top 25 on CMC.
How many BTS are you going to pay me for listing bitcny on that exchange ?

I mean seriously you are playing with funds and don't even do your homework where you are going to list BTS or bitcny.

Thats the same like througing away BTS from the window.


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bitCNY was rejected at the final step, as we don't have legal opinion letter for it
Any legit exchange will reject bitcny for the same reason.They demand legal opinion letters to list a coin.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 16, 2019, 09:23:51 am
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

LaToken has a fake volume generated by the exchange itself + numerous complaints through listings reported in Japan.

What is the number and what is the reality are 2 completely different things, and I suggest before anyone proceed with burning the funds based on Google research without a single interaction with mentioned exchange or at least account with some more experience to be proved - just forget about it.

Most important thing, this was about listing of BitUSD and BitCNY, where USD is currently under BS and not eligible for any listing at all.

Doing nothing is the easiest way also the laziest way, unless you have better solution to provide more liquidity for bitCNY/bitUSD.

Start proper marketing instead overpaying exchange listing.
I'm currently not much online because of some offline activity.I will be back next week and will be publishing my own proposals which i created before.


How does it come i never heard about coinsuper before ?

Ahh i know
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/coinsuper.com

One of the smallest exchanges which exist with 99,9% fake volume and many bad reviews about insta dumping.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4939930.0
How much are you going to pay them ?If you want i will open tomorrow also a new exchange and will wash trade it to top 25 on CMC.
How many BTS are you going to pay me for listing bitcny on that exchange ?

I mean seriously you are playing with funds and don't even do your homework where you are going to list BTS or bitcny.

Thats the same like througing away BTS from the window.


Quote
bitCNY was rejected at the final step, as we don't have legal opinion letter for it
Any legit exchange will reject bitcny for the same reason.They demand legal opinion letters to list a coin.

The bitcointalk post you referred has no reply, so I can not judge the authenticity only from that post, not to mention that all CEX have many negative comments. We don't like any CEX, but we count on them to provide more liquidity for bitCNY. 

BTW, one month has past, where is your solution?

I am approaching biki.com(bikicoin.com) to list bitCNY, this time I hope we will make it.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 17, 2019, 05:49:31 pm
I have applied 436,406 BTS from smartcoin-marketing for the whole bitCNY&BTS listing work on biki.com. This fund includes the listing fee and bounty reward. Due to NDA with biki.com, the exact number can not be disclosed publicly, but I have shared it within the committee group, and you can estimate it through the total amount.

Other than the listing fee, the rest is used to reward the lobbyists, including @guoan(founder of "BTS 100 cities 100 shops plan", main contributor), gbac(Linda, Jademont, organizer and coordinator). Also, possible transaction fee for providing liquidity at the first month and marketing fee are also included.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 17, 2019, 10:34:21 pm
You can check my claims on the chinese weibo chat of zengold.

There is now a police report filled against Eric Gu in China.

There are big Investors who got scammed in Million's USD who are activly working to push the chinese government to take action.




About Biki why don't you post real facts about exchanges you wanna add bitcny ?Like real volume and what volume you expect to achieve on biki ?

Because i still keep saying its a waste of resources and nothing more.
How old is the mentioned exchange ?2 months ?

You want i can list bitcny on 10 shit exchanges which are top 50 on cmc.But i would be ashamed of myself for the results it would get for the amount spent.

Legit exchanges would be as example

hitbtc
bit-z


Quote
BTW, one month has past, where is your solution?
I'm working on it with somebody from OL and some other programers.It will be avaibable after the hard fork.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 18, 2019, 06:03:39 am
You can check my claims on the chinese weibo chat of zengold.

There is now a police report filled against Eric Gu in China.

There are big Investors who got scammed in Million's USD who are activly working to push the chinese government to take action.




About Biki why don't you post real facts about exchanges you wanna add bitcny ?Like real volume and what volume you expect to achieve on biki ?

Because i still keep saying its a waste of resources and nothing more.
How old is the mentioned exchange ?2 months ?

You want i can list bitcny on 10 shit exchanges which are top 50 on cmc.But i would be ashamed of myself for the results it would get for the amount spent.

Legit exchanges would be as example

hitbtc
bit-z


Quote
BTW, one month has past, where is your solution?
I'm working on it with somebody from OL and some other programers.It will be avaibable after the hard fork.

Thanks for reminding, here are some facts about biki.com, you can also do the research from google/baidu.

1\biki.com, previously bikicoin.com was founded in Singapore in June of 2018, it is relatively new but fast growing.

2\ According to https://www.feixiaohao.com/exchange/, biki.com ranks 12, registered accounts are over 500,000, reported DAU is over tens of thousands. Personally I think it belongs to top 20 exchanges on all aspects.

3\ If you call biki.com shit exchange, hitbtc is absolutely more worthy of this name, most of coins on hitbtc have zero volume and withdraw/deposit often have problem.  I have already approached bit-z, they asks for 5 times the listing fee.  I know biki.com is not a top exchange, but we have to consider the cost at the same time, we have to start from one exchange anyways, right?

4\Hope to see your solution ASAP,, if it is related to marketing dividends, then I think I know what you mean, but it is another topic, nothing with the liquidity of bitCNY.

BTW, What the hell of Eric Gu? Isn't it off topic? We have given up rightbtc after evaluation.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on March 18, 2019, 06:11:08 pm
I have applied 436,406 BTS from smartcoin-marketing for the whole bitCNY&BTS listing work on biki.com. This fund includes the listing fee and bounty reward. Due to NDA with biki.com, the exact number can not be disclosed publicly, but I have shared it within the committee group, and you can estimate it through the total amount.

Other than the listing fee, the rest is used to reward the lobbyists, including @guoan(founder of "BTS 100 cities 100 shops plan", main contributor), gbac(Linda, Jademont, organizer and coordinator). Also, possible transaction fee for providing liquidity at the first month and marketing fee are also included.

By 'applied' do you mean requested? I can't see Biki on CMC.

I have listing options in top 50 but there is no clarity on how funds are applied for. I've messaged Bitcrab but no response.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 20, 2019, 09:29:59 am
I have applied 436,406 BTS from smartcoin-marketing for the whole bitCNY&BTS listing work on biki.com. This fund includes the listing fee and bounty reward. Due to NDA with biki.com, the exact number can not be disclosed publicly, but I have shared it within the committee group, and you can estimate it through the total amount.

Other than the listing fee, the rest is used to reward the lobbyists, including @guoan(founder of "BTS 100 cities 100 shops plan", main contributor), gbac(Linda, Jademont, organizer and coordinator). Also, possible transaction fee for providing liquidity at the first month and marketing fee are also included.

By 'applied' do you mean requested? I can't see Biki on CMC.

I have listing options in top 50 but there is no clarity on how funds are applied for. I've messaged Bitcrab but no response.

Please excuse my English.


Here is the summary of my working flow with biki.com:

1\Guoan introduced this exchange to me, I did some basic research about its reputation, trading volume, rank, etc...(one-two weeks)

2\Then we contacted the exchange to get more details, including listing fee and conditions.(one week)

3\ Then we prepared and submitted the application form to the exchange, after the exchange confirmed, I asked for the comments from community and committee. (one week)

4\We then prepared the listing agreement(in English), and then contacted BitShares Foundation (one week)

5\ After the Foundation revised and confirmed the final agreement, get it back to the exchange. (two weeks)

6\ Both the Foundation and exchange signed the agreement.(One week)

7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

8\Pay listing fee to the exchange, and help them with technical issues and marketing.(one week)

9\ Announce it to the community

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 20, 2019, 10:26:59 am
What are your goals for bitcny and bts on that exchange in real volume ?

I really would like to know your estaminates about real volume for these 2 assets.

The exchange has no big liquidity at all.

On USDT/BTC pair all sell orders from $4000-$8000 are just 29 BTC.You can see its mainly bot driven
Buy orders from $4000-3900 its 40 BTC .
When being 10 minutes on that exchange i see that on USDT/BTC pair 99% is wash trading executing big volume orders in the 5BTC-8BTC per order range which is obviously fake.
Real orders there are very rare and very small like 0.05


Here the last 20 minute log with bold executed orders which seems only be realistic


Time Price(USDT) Volume(BTC)

18:23:484012.8931 6.6547
18:23:214010.3008 5.2069
18:22:564009.0957 4.5302
18:22:074005.7581 7.5782
18:21:504005.7581 6.1047
18:20:514006.0700 6.3872
18:20:404004.0873 7.7281
18:20:354005.0000 0.0500
18:20:244004.0873 5.7697
18:20:104001.5439 7.6827
18:19:543999.9238 3.2035
18:19:113998.7102 3.6585
18:18:573998.7102 5.6572
18:18:053995.8750 4.0254
18:17:353995.8750 4.6604
18:17:033996.6858 6.3609
18:16:223997.1489 4.7986
18:16:103997.1489 4.8466
18:15:483997.3025 7.1762
18:15:243998.4055 7.5442
18:15:073999.5151 7.3729
18:14:273999.4827 4.0464
18:14:143999.2146 7.4504
18:13:563997.8059 3.6563
18:13:343995.9951 3.8693
18:12:443998.5964 6.3167
18:12:264000.2634 6.5765
18:11:473998.0495 0.0049
18:11:384000.1807 4.0782
18:11:084000.5632 6.5956
18:10:233998.7417 3.3500
18:09:563998.7356 4.3328
18:09:303999.0237 0.0045
18:09:253999.0237 0.0053
18:09:224000.8300 7.6915
18:09:104000.8300 6.5098
18:08:183997.8902 4.8382
18:08:083998.0177 3.5078
18:07:523997.5608 4.0335
18:07:233999.0237 7.4599
18:07:093998.1604 5.7007
18:06:583996.6177 4.2786
18:06:313993.7920 5.0441
18:05:453992.3430 3.7592
18:05:013995.7616 4.6475
18:04:403998.7961 4.2808
18:04:223998.7961 6.6803
18:03:474000.0361 4.5946
18:02:494002.4866 6.4941
18:02:244000.8700 5.6774
18:02:133998.0206 7.2469

Why are the big orders not realistic ?Because there are no big buy or sell orders near real time price.

Since the real volume of USDT/BTC pair is there already so low what volume do you expect to get for bitcny or bts ?
I thought its about real liquidity and not fake volume.


Also on your ranking website https://www.feixiaohao.com/exchange/ biki has a very low rating compared to any other legit exchange


Quote
If you call biki.com shit exchange, hitbtc is absolutely more worthy of this name,
HitBTC has a nightmare support there is no question about it but the diffrence between HitBTC and Biki is that HitBTC has real liquidity
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: sschiessl on March 20, 2019, 10:47:01 am
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 20, 2019, 10:55:10 am
Once again the community has been excluded to voice their opinion on the proposed exchange even the worker clearly said it needs to be posted public before a request of funds can be made.

Quote
People who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby, if finally the exchange open smartcoin market, the lobbyist need to provide evidence that it’s his/her work that make things happen.


Its a waste of BTS which will bring only wash trading and nothing more.
I'm tired of always these smart scammy moves to reach personal goals.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 20, 2019, 11:20:11 am
bikis medium page 3/4 year old 3 followers
https://medium.com/@bikicoin

bikis twitter 3/4 year old 35 followers
https://twitter.com/bikicoin


How many accounts do they claim they have ?500k ?

This is so obvious

It takes a 10 minutes research to see that exchange has no real users.
Even the traffic sources of that websites indicates this is bought traffic to increase the websites ranking.


Quote
proposal create   2019/03/16
Proposal to move funds to smartcoin-marketing for this have been already being done before even mentioning that exchange in public.
Posting the name of that exchange after making sure to get funds is so shady.

I'm once again disappointed with the commitee's work .


Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: JohnR on March 20, 2019, 11:42:33 am
Transfer on-chain confirmed. Committee proposed tx. -signed-

7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 20, 2019, 12:10:17 pm
USDT/ETH   in a period of 30 minutes (i observed the order book and there were no big moves at all.Biggest buy order 15 ETH and biggest sell order 19 ETH which haven't been touched) .Of course mainly bot trading

20:04:32138.2100 61.5122
20:04:04138.1700 106.5481
20:03:48138.2300 0.0946
20:03:47138.2400 64.3383
20:03:14138.2100 85.8564
20:03:02138.2000 49.0597
20:02:46138.2600 53.4655
20:01:48138.3300 113.5524
20:01:03138.2900 124.3677
20:00:45138.3300 120.7466
19:59:34138.2700 60.8684
19:59:18138.2900 27.3797
19:59:06138.2900 43.2923
19:58:13138.2600 35.9191
19:58:01138.2500 78.7995
19:57:47138.2700 44.9492
19:57:31138.2500 117.1724
19:57:18138.2400 93.5181
19:57:02138.2200 97.0084
19:56:11138.3000 35.2430
19:55:35138.2600 116.3738
19:54:52138.2500 102.1820
19:54:41138.2200 57.2978
19:54:29138.2600 53.8762
19:54:18138.2500 72.6464
19:54:01138.2400 45.6504
19:53:39138.2700 65.6206
19:53:21138.2700 52.1590
19:52:49138.2900 108.4286
19:51:49138.3600 80.1133
19:51:28138.2200 32.0317
19:50:33138.2500 80.1686
19:50:14138.2300 109.6742
19:49:42138.2500 62.6069
19:49:26138.2300 0.0216
19:49:21138.2300 0.0052
19:49:15138.2300 0.0052
19:49:11138.2500 1.3238
19:49:08138.1500 57.3643
19:49:05138.2500 3.7508
19:49:05138.2500 0.0620
19:49:01138.2500 0.0036
19:48:55138.2500 0.4804
19:48:31138.2000 76.2853
19:48:20138.2900 59.0933
19:47:45138.2400 66.2795
19:47:09138.2700 71.1553
19:46:43138.2700 44.4740
19:46:25138.2500 73.6522
19:45:46138.2700 30.2737
19:45:35138.2800 42.5866
19:44:34138.3000 79.4212
19:43:35138.3000 116.0511
19:42:51138.3200 73.9433
19:42:05138.3100 39.4121
19:41:33138.3100 37.7635
19:40:37138.3200 56.6884
19:39:51138.2800 43.5472
19:39:12138.2700 117.4474
19:38:55138.3200 78.4195


Realistic volume in USDT pair 5 ETH in 30 minutes in a good trading time zone.

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1\Guoan introduced this exchange to me, I did some basic research about its reputation, trading volume, rank, etc...(one-two weeks)

It took you 2 weeks to not see the bad reputation the exchange has or the 99,5% wash trading or that it has no user base at all ?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on March 20, 2019, 08:38:50 pm
I have applied 436,406 BTS from smartcoin-marketing for the whole bitCNY&BTS listing work on biki.com. This fund includes the listing fee and bounty reward. Due to NDA with biki.com, the exact number can not be disclosed publicly, but I have shared it within the committee group, and you can estimate it through the total amount.

Other than the listing fee, the rest is used to reward the lobbyists, including @guoan(founder of "BTS 100 cities 100 shops plan", main contributor), gbac(Linda, Jademont, organizer and coordinator). Also, possible transaction fee for providing liquidity at the first month and marketing fee are also included.

By 'applied' do you mean requested? I can't see Biki on CMC.

I have listing options in top 50 but there is no clarity on how funds are applied for. I've messaged Bitcrab but no response.

Please excuse my English.


Here is the summary of my working flow with biki.com:

1\Guoan introduced this exchange to me, I did some basic research about its reputation, trading volume, rank, etc...(one-two weeks)

2\Then we contacted the exchange to get more details, including listing fee and conditions.(one week)

3\ Then we prepared and submitted the application form to the exchange, after the exchange confirmed, I asked for the comments from community and committee. (one week)

4\We then prepared the listing agreement(in English), and then contacted BitShares Foundation (one week)

5\ After the Foundation revised and confirmed the final agreement, get it back to the exchange. (two weeks)

6\ Both the Foundation and exchange signed the agreement.(One week)

7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

8\Pay listing fee to the exchange, and help them with technical issues and marketing.(one week)

9\ Announce it to the community

Thanks Ripple. Appreciate you laying it out clearly - can you private message me the address you used for the Committee/Foundation?

I have to admit guys I'm pretty disappointed by this. I arranged listing within a few weeks of this going live and communicated to the Committee the following options:
- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing
- Hotbit Listing
- LATOKEN listing


All of these were sent through to the Committee and the Foundation with no response received. All of these are Top 50 and I submitted them for consideration with draft agreements. I don't mind people saying this exchange is not good or that exchange is not good but all of these were willing to list bitCNY, bitUSD and BTS.

What am I doing wrong here? I think I fulfilled the requirements of the worker so I am a bit disappointed a payout has been made for a listing that doesnt meet the stated requirement.

NOTE: Listings are good and I think we need more, I don't know about Biki.com and am not saying it is a rubbish exchange. I am also not saying I wanted listing on all four exchanges I provided I just don't understand what I am meant to do to actually move things forward as it feels like I wasted a lot of time getting these draft agreements just to be ignored.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on March 20, 2019, 08:44:02 pm
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?

Appreciate you taking a look at this as it really doesn't feel right to me - I put some pretty serious time in getting listing agreements in place and really I met the criteria 4 times over but got nothing back from anyone in the Committee/Foundation so it is really surprising to hear there has been a payout to someone else for an exchange that doesn't meet the basic criteria.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 20, 2019, 08:58:35 pm
I'm pretty sure you got no reply as they considered them not worth getting listed for a bounty because of the negative feedback here.So more it surprises me they approved the shit exchange biki.com .Even sistemkoin is far better than biki .

It has a reason why this operation has been done not in public but was announced after the deal was closed.


Thats also why schiessl posted this question if i understood him right

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The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.


Jademont again left a bad taste like before where he approved all proposals from the OMO fund blindly.


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I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: fav on March 21, 2019, 07:21:19 am
Please post the names of the signing committee members,  for the record.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Digital Lucifer on March 21, 2019, 09:44:02 am
I've personally assisted Mathew over the past 2,5 months in assembling correct agreements, proper approach and to not rush during the bitUSD Black Swan. I would appreciate any reasonable explanation for this, since yeah...

- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing

these 2 were gold mines. LATOKEN has shitty organization and fake volumes so it wasn't my choice of support at the time, but still... biki ?

Chee®s
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on March 21, 2019, 10:28:25 am
I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 23, 2019, 04:39:15 pm
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?

As the exchange will only list bitCNY after receiving fund, so we have to send money to them first. An improvised makeshift  is that the lobbyist covers the loss/pay it back if bitCNY got delisted or the exchange miss the criteria within 60 days.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 23, 2019, 05:17:04 pm
Once again the community has been excluded to voice their opinion on the proposed exchange even the worker clearly said it needs to be posted public before a request of funds can be made.

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People who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby, if finally the exchange open smartcoin market, the lobbyist need to provide evidence that it’s his/her work that make things happen.


Its a waste of BTS which will bring only wash trading and nothing more.
I'm tired of always these smart scammy moves to reach personal goals.

Please stop spamming with fabricated facts, thanks. I don't want to slap your face but everyone can check the time I announced that "will move on to another exchange having similar rank with coinsuper(Feb 19th)", the time I announce biki in the post (March 16th)and the time I proposal the fund transfer(March 18).

Also, you may check the transaction history, the fund didn't go to my account, instead, it goes to exchange to sell for listing fee, lobbyist, marketing, and the rest is reserved for marketing making. I have shared the listing/payment agreement within committee group. Those documents can not be shared publicly due to NDA with the exchange.

The bitCNY on biki will facilitate with the quantitative and hedging trading of bots, therefore, it's really important to have one exchange to list bitCNY ASAP.   

I would really suggest you stop wasting time complaining on other people's work but do something meaningful to the community, for example, contact a better exchange.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 23, 2019, 05:22:18 pm
I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

I appreciate your work. Since the left fund is about 1.6 million. Personally I think it's still enough to cove the cost of a top exchange(top 10) and a medium exchange(top 40). what do you think?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on March 23, 2019, 06:06:26 pm

I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

I appreciate your work. Since the left fund is about 1.6 million. Personally I think it's still enough to cove the cost of a top exchange(top 10) and a medium exchange(top 40). what do you think?

The remaining fund is definitely enough to cover listing + bounty for two top 40s...IDAX are very expensive but are an option.

I will reach out to committee members with the cost breakdown for each of the four - I am happy to present options and for any that have enough committee support to proceed
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 23, 2019, 08:11:18 pm
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Please stop spamming with fabricated facts, thanks. I don't want to slap your face but everyone can check the time I announced that "will move on to another exchange having similar rank with coinsuper(Feb 19th)", the time I announce biki in the post (March 16th)and the time I proposal the fund transfer(March 18).

You can slap as many times as you want as you will never find such actions from me like you did.
First of all you broke once again the worker protocol which clearly says
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"People who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby"
Posting something like i'm going to work on a similar exchange what did you mean ?An exchange with 99.5% fake volume ?

You first time mentioned the name of the exchange on march 16 to the community and instantly after 24h informed that you already applied for  436,406 BTS .
On that same day i already replied its a shit exchange with 99.5% fake volume so other people could check it themself and make their own opinion.
I never ever would have thought you would get the next days already the applied funds else i would instantly post all evidences what a shit exchange you got.

You posted you spent 2 weeks on researching on biki.And you were unable to see the 99.5% fake volume ?Or the low customer rating ?
Or the bought traffic to their website?You missed all red flags ?What did you even checked?
Did you even checked their telegram group ?
Each second comment scam accusation against Biki.
Maybe you can answer this user question
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why the price of each token registered with BIKI continues to fall to 1000% or more. and there has never been a price reversal, whether all the projects here are almost all bad


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The bitCNY on biki will facilitate with the quantitative and hedging trading of bots, therefore, it's really important to have one exchange to list bitCNY ASAP. 
An exchange with no liquidity ?What does it bring to add bitcny to a VERY low rated exchange with no real customers and liquidity ?Its only bot trading and nothing more.
Something like that doesn't bring liquidity but just destroys the name of bitcny if it needs to be listed in such shit exchange.

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I would really suggest you stop wasting time complaining on other people's work but do something meaningful to the community, for example, contact a better exchange.
I said it before NO decent exchange with real liquidity will touch bitcny without legal work.There are only 2 exchanges which may would take bitcny but surely not for 250k bts /$12.5k .

But since you claim your work is so meaningful maybe you can tell me where exactly will be the benefit for bitcny getting listed on an exchange with 99.5% fake volume and one of the worst chinese customer rating ?
Cause i'm unable to see it.

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I appreciate your work. Since the left fund is about 1.6 million. Personally I think it's still enough to cove the cost of a top exchange(top 10) and a medium exchange(top 40). what do you think?
Top 10 exchange ?
Did you ever assisted in getting listed a coin in a top 10 exchange?
Am asking cause your claims seems to me dream thinking.

I tell you something no top 10 exchange is going to touch bitcny for $50k expacially without legal papers .

Does it mean we need to take shit exchanges instead ?No it means there should be systematic work done to get on one decent exchange bitcny listed and exectly for that was the bounty and not for an exchange which from nowhere jumped up in the last 2 months thanks to bought traffic and wash trading.

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The remaining fund is definitely enough to cover listing + bounty for two top 40s...IDAX are very expensive but are an option.
Employes from IDax went to any project even shit projects and scam projects asking and begging to get them listed for a listing fee.

Latoken now listing scam coins which can't get listed anywhere else.

I really don't understand you guys how you can destroy the image of bitshares quality in such a way.


Instead of focusing on shit exchanges just to get the bounty i would recommend doing some real work and contact daniel from hitbtc as example and start negotationg.If Dai was able to get listed there bitcny has a good chance too because hitbtc has 2 out of 3 future world currencies listed and is missing the third one CNY.


BTW did you even checked once from where DAI as example gets real liquidity and from where 99.8% fake volume ?
You mentioned HitBTC being way worse than Biki....how does it come that even on your rating website https://www.feixiaohao.com/exchange/ HitBTC has 4 star rating where biki has 1 1/2
 

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I would really suggest you stop wasting time complaining on other people's work but do something meaningful

Since you attacked me personly let me ask you directly ....what meaningfull did you do ?
Ohhh i forgat we had the big amounts of OMO funds being margin called because 3 committee member signed proposals against consensus and worker description.
How many million BTS have the bitshares community lost because of them?How many bitusd/bitcnymargin holders have lost nearly everything because of the big debt ?
Yes very meaningfull but surly not responsible.

And this one was in my opinion a bounty grab and nothing more as i doubt you were unable to see the red flags if you would really care about a decent listing.


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Top 50 in coinmarketcap  Adj.Vol(24h) ranking 

It should never have been approved in the first place as not even listed on CMC
You are clearly hurting bitshares with your selfiness


Btw can you tell me why Biki has no offical adress or company info listed on their website ?


their instagram with 3 followers
https://www.instagram.com/bikicoin/


Would really love to know what you checked in 2 weeks
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bitcrab on March 24, 2019, 02:52:33 pm
I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

I've personally assisted Mathew over the past 2,5 months in assembling correct agreements, proper approach and to not rush during the bitUSD Black Swan. I would appreciate any reasonable explanation for this, since yeah...

- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing

these 2 were gold mines. LATOKEN has shitty organization and fake volumes so it wasn't my choice of support at the time, but still... biki ?

Chee®s

guys I appreciate your work, now what I got is:

1.the worker is voted out and now there's only 1.62M BTS left.
2.seems LATOKEN is not a good choice?

so I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit  and work on that following the process defined in this thread, make sure the left fund can cover the cost for listing.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 24, 2019, 04:24:04 pm
I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

I've personally assisted Mathew over the past 2,5 months in assembling correct agreements, proper approach and to not rush during the bitUSD Black Swan. I would appreciate any reasonable explanation for this, since yeah...

- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing

these 2 were gold mines. LATOKEN has shitty organization and fake volumes so it wasn't my choice of support at the time, but still... biki ?

Chee®s

guys I appreciate your work, now what I got is:

1.the worker is voted out and now there's only 1.62M BTS left.
2.seems LATOKEN is not a good choice?

so I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit  and work on that following the process defined in this thread, make sure the left fund can cover the cost for listing.


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Please post the names of the signing committee members,  for the record.


Based on your account history is it right that you signed the proposal for biki ?

Would like to know why because it doesn't fullfill the requirements which were posted in the worker and also the procedure was not correct.
It looks like a night and fog action where the proposal to move vesting funds were created on the same day were the name of the biki was the first time even mentioned.

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There is a 60 days observation period, if the smartcoin markets are kept open in these period, then the highest  Adj.Vol(24h) rank of this exchange in coinmarketcap in these 60 days will be used to determine the reward.


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I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit
Did you checked them ?

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on March 25, 2019, 07:42:48 pm


I've personally assisted Mathew over the past 2,5 months in assembling correct agreements, proper approach and to not rush during the bitUSD Black Swan. I would appreciate any reasonable explanation for this, since yeah...

- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing

these 2 were gold mines. LATOKEN has shitty organization and fake volumes so it wasn't my choice of support at the time, but still... biki ?

Chee®s

guys I appreciate your work, now what I got is:

1.the worker is voted out and now there's only 1.62M BTS left.
2.seems LATOKEN is not a good choice?

so I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit  and work on that following the process defined in this thread, make sure the left fund can cover the cost for listing.

Thanks Bitcrab - the agreements are with the Foundation for review in case any changes would be needed before signing.

The remaining fee is sufficient to cover listings and bounties for 2-3 options.

Thule is also reaching out with some of his connections in case there is another good option there we can arrange.

Today has been a good day with UPbit! A really strong exchange and addition for listing BTS :)
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 26, 2019, 03:21:30 pm
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Start proper marketing instead overpaying exchange listing.
Hey thul3, I have repeated a few times that you have to consider price and quality altogether, biki.com is not a top exchange, but it's good choice to start with. NO ONE stopped you from contacting top exchange, just go for it and start your show, I'll appreciate anything you DO for the community, talk is cheap. But let me tell you, I have reached most of them, they would like to see bitCNY on some smaller exchanges first, and then reconsider it. BTW, the listing fee of biki is lower than all exchanges that matle85 mentioned, so I don't think it's overpaid.

If you think only top exchanges meet your spec, you should reject the worker at day one, not now. Since the worker proposal was approved, that means the community agree that top 40 exchanges are qualified. Also, everyone knows that fake volume exists in most of the exchanges, I've never argued that, therefore,  if you want to prove I am wrong, you should prove that 40 other exchanges have bigger volume than biki.com, instead of spamming this post with transaction history of biki. I hope your education allows you to understand the logic here. If not, I'll explain it again.


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You posted you spent 2 weeks on researching on biki.And you were unable to see the 99.5% fake volume ?Or the low customer rating ?
Or the bought traffic to their website?You missed all red flags ?What did you even checked?
Did you even checked their telegram group ?

An exchange with no liquidity ?What does it bring to add bitcny to a VERY low rated exchange with no real customers and liquidity ?Its only bot trading and nothing more.
Something like that doesn't bring liquidity but just destroys the name of bitcny if it needs to be listed in such shit exchange.

First of all, 99.5% is a number that you fabricated, show us the proof. I have been trading there since a few weeks ago, the mainstream coins have good depth, higher than BTS platform at least. Probably you don't know that GDEX spends over 20k bitCNY each month to hire a professional team to provide liquidity in BTS platform and do arbitrage between different exchanges. Previously cointiger provides bitCNY trading pair, but there is problem with withdraw/deposit. So it's important to have another exchange to list bitCNY ASAP.

According to feixiaohao.com, biki.com ranks 15 in terms of volume, ranks 30 in terms of star rating(same as coinbebe,kkcoin,yobit, higher than IDCM, lbank), ranks 32 in terms of followers. It meets the "top 40 exchange criteria" in all aspects.

Destroy the name of bitCNY? Are you kidding me or are you mad?   all shit exchanges have BTC, does it destroy the name of bitcoin?


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I said it before NO decent exchange with real liquidity will touch bitcny without legal work.There are only 2 exchanges which may would take bitcny but surely not for 250k bts /$12.5k .

Define real liquidity first. If 250k is not enough, we could increase it to 2.5M, only if it worth it, it's up to the community to decide, anyone can propose an independent work to fulfill that target.  But please do it, talk it cheap.

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Top 10 exchange ?
Did you ever assisted in getting listed a coin in a top 10 exchange?
Am asking cause your claims seems to me dream thinking.

Binance and huobi listed BTS due to our effort, not your barking, thanks.

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Instead of focusing on shit exchanges just to get the bounty i would recommend doing some real work and contact daniel from hitbtc as example and start negotationg.
Why don't you do that? Because you are a criticizer-plus-non-deliver?  I'll support it if someone makes deal with hitbtc, though personally I don't like this exchange.

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Ohhh i forgat we had the big amounts of OMO funds being margin called because 3 committee member signed proposals against consensus and worker description.
off topic, no response. You may start a new topic to attack me on this. It was a failure experiment with good intention, the result is that BitShares is more healthy.

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Btw can you tell me why Biki has no offical adress or company info listed on their website ?
I don't get why this question is so important to you that you have to make the font bold. Isn't that normal that crypto trading platform hide their private info from public? Can you find the address of Binance from website?  But we have the phone number and company info of biki in the agreement which was shown only within committee group due to NDA.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 26, 2019, 08:00:14 pm
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I've never argued that, therefore,  if you want to prove I am wrong, you should prove that 40 other exchanges have bigger volume than biki.com, instead of spamming this post with transaction history of biki. I hope your education allows you to understand the logic here. If not, I'll explain it again.

Proofing that biki has lower than majority of exchanges liquidity and real volume would be easy as hell.The question is why wasting now time for it where you already took the funds in a night and fog action.Many people here are disappointed and are well aware what kind of action this was.


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According to feixiaohao.com, biki.com ranks 15 in terms of volume, ranks 30 in terms of star rating(same as coinbebe,kkcoin,yobit, higher than IDCM, lbank), ranks 32 in terms of followers. It meets the "top 40 exchange criteria" in all aspects.

Faked rankings are not according to the criteria.If so we would approve RightBTC ,LAToken and any other shit exchange on top 50 CMC.
BTS is listed on RightBTC which is a top 50 CMC exchange.You know the volume of BTS there? ITS ZERO.
According to you such an exchange would pass the criteria.I guess only your own personal criteria to gain the bounty.

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Destroy the name of bitCNY? Are you kidding me or are you mad?   all shit exchanges have BTC, does it destroy the name of bitcoin?
Did the shit exchanges get $25k to add bitcoin or did they add BTC to gain own members for free ?

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Define real liquidity first. If 250k is not enough, we could increase it to 2.5M, only if it worth it, it's up to the community to decide, anyone can propose an independent work to fulfill that target.  But please do it, talk it cheap.
This worker was about real liquidity and not your 2 months old fake shit just to gain the bounty.
You will give the bounty back if after 3 months there will be no real bitcny trading volume ?


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Binance and huobi listed BTS due to our effort, not your barking, thanks.
You wanna bet your bounty that i was a big part why Huobi implemented BTS and not your effort ?Which effort are you even talking about.Huobi listed BTS because of another coin.
I at least can document it how about you ?But maybe you wanna call Chen from Huobi and talk with him directly ?

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Why don't you do that? Because you are a criticizer-plus-non-deliver?  I'll support it if someone makes deal with hitbtc, though personally I don't like this exchange.
Because i know the price and waited till BTS reaches 8 cents to be able to pay for real liquidity instead of wasting BTS for nothing.Delivering horseshit isn't difficult.Matle85 already showed how many shit exchanges anybody can instantly deliver which are top 50 CMC.
Also you as committee member should uphold the procedures of workers however you clearly have a problem with it as you again broke them.

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off topic, no response. You may start a new topic to attack me on this. It was a failure experiment with good intention, the result is that BitShares is more healthy.
Breaking procedures as commitee is not offtopic.
Who exectly signed the proposal to send you funds and skip the procedures which were clearly stated in the worker ?
You say loosing a lot of members because of the global settlement on bitusd and heavy losses on bitcny resulted into a more heatlhy bitshares?
I guess we have diffrent opinions on that.

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I don't get why this question is so important to you that you have to make the font bold. Isn't that normal that crypto trading platform hide their private info from public?
No normaly you can find any decent exchanges adress or company info.Binance is diffrent but still you can find its adress on the internet since everyone knows its located in Malta and a real company.
Biki is diffrent because each second comment on telegram is a scam accusation and hiding all info for a company which is based in singapore which has MAS and regulations is a red flag since its a totaly unknown exchange.
 

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 28, 2019, 05:56:55 pm
I regret wasting my time replying you because you are repeating fabricated facts and meaningless words. So I hope this is the last reply to you. 

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Proofing that biki has lower than majority of exchanges liquidity and real volume would be easy as hell.
You have a chance to prove that I am wrong through data instead of fabricated facts and now you say you don't want to waste time even though it is easy as hell?  then why do you have time spamming this post with meaningless replies? 

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Faked rankings are not according to the criteria.If so we would approve RightBTC ,LAToken and any other shit exchange on top 50 CMC.
BTS is listed on RightBTC which is a top 50 CMC exchange.You know the volume of BTS there? ITS ZERO.
According to you such an exchange would pass the criteria.I guess only your own personal criteria to gain the bounty.

Ridiculous, you are commenting always according to your guess or imagination instead of facts. I've never said rightBTC meet the criteria, instead, I have clearly stated rightBTC was not our choice, but you are still attacking this point? Because you have no other words?
I have no intention to gain the bounty, I am more interested in making bitCNY listed on CEX, as the bounty didn't go to my pocket, it went to a group of people who contributed, also a big part is going to be used for marketing and trading competition.
 

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You wanna bet your bounty that i was a big part why Huobi implemented BTS and not your effort ?Which effort are you even talking about.Huobi listed BTS because of another coin.
I at least can document it how about you ?But maybe you wanna call Chen from Huobi and talk with him directly ?

Liar. Why don't you just show the proof of your "big part" ?  I am looking forward to seeing how big it was. Now let me show you some proof.

Just like getting BTS listed on biki.com, getting BTS on binance and huobi were also team work and there are two private wechat groups that consist of the main contributors for BTS listed in Huobi, one is call huobi&BTS, the other one is called huobi us & BTS, A few community members inclduing bitcrab, abit, me, Ryan, zicen are all in it, but unfortunately no one inside is called Thul3.

Now I am 100% percent sure that you lack logical thinking that a normal discussion requires. You attacked me in the previous post that I didn't contribute anything for BTS listing on top exchange, and I mentioned binance and huobi without saying I was the main contributor. Technically, you have to prove that I didn't participate any, instead of faking the facts that you were a big part.  BTW, Li has the final say of coin listing on huobi, if we name the second, it could be Wong, Qin or Tang, but never nobody Chen. I don't even know there is a guy call Chen in Huobi's management team. And I confirmed that from global CEO of huobi personally face to face. Maybe you only talked with their custom service and you think that is a big part contribution?

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Because i know the price and waited till BTS reaches 8 cents to be able to pay for real liquidity instead of wasting BTS for nothing.

Wait until 8 cents? why don't you just wait until 80 cents then the bounty is enough for 10 decent exchanges?  You know what was the listing fee when BTS was 80 cents?  Nonsense.

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Biki is diffrent because each second comment on telegram is a scam accusation and hiding all info for a company which is based in singapore which has MAS and regulations is a red flag since its a totaly unknown exchange.


Repeating fabricated facts again. You judge a Chinese/East Asia exchange based their telegram group? If I judge poloniex or bittrex through wechat groups, they are shit exchange too. biki have tens of wechat group. Biki has office in Beijing and Singapore. There are more than 50 employees. The main investor of biki is Du Jun, who was the cofounder of huobi and now the boss of jinse.com, biggest crypto media in China, and boss of Node capital, which is one of the most famous token fund in China.  You don't know it doesn't mean it is unknown, ask from your Chinese friend, if you have any, don't live in fantasy.

You are so narrow minded that I start to feel ashamed wasting time on you.
My work is done for helping bitCNY get listed on CEX, the first one is always the most difficult one. However, I will encourage others to make bitCNY get listed on more top 40 exchanges, aka "Thul3 branded shit exchange ". So, keep barking and enjoy!


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I've never argued that, therefore,  if you want to prove I am wrong, you should prove that 40 other exchanges have bigger volume than biki.com, instead of spamming this post with transaction history of biki. I hope your education allows you to understand the logic here. If not, I'll explain it again.

Proofing that biki has lower than majority of exchanges liquidity and real volume would be easy as hell.The question is why wasting now time for it where you already took the funds in a night and fog action.Many people here are disappointed and are well aware what kind of action this was.


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According to feixiaohao.com, biki.com ranks 15 in terms of volume, ranks 30 in terms of star rating(same as coinbebe,kkcoin,yobit, higher than IDCM, lbank), ranks 32 in terms of followers. It meets the "top 40 exchange criteria" in all aspects.

Faked rankings are not according to the criteria.If so we would approve RightBTC ,LAToken and any other shit exchange on top 50 CMC.
BTS is listed on RightBTC which is a top 50 CMC exchange.You know the volume of BTS there? ITS ZERO.
According to you such an exchange would pass the criteria.I guess only your own personal criteria to gain the bounty.

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Destroy the name of bitCNY? Are you kidding me or are you mad?   all shit exchanges have BTC, does it destroy the name of bitcoin?
Did the shit exchanges get $25k to add bitcoin or did they add BTC to gain own members for free ?

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Define real liquidity first. If 250k is not enough, we could increase it to 2.5M, only if it worth it, it's up to the community to decide, anyone can propose an independent work to fulfill that target.  But please do it, talk it cheap.
This worker was about real liquidity and not your 2 months old fake shit just to gain the bounty.
You will give the bounty back if after 3 months there will be no real bitcny trading volume ?


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Binance and huobi listed BTS due to our effort, not your barking, thanks.
You wanna bet your bounty that i was a big part why Huobi implemented BTS and not your effort ?Which effort are you even talking about.Huobi listed BTS because of another coin.
I at least can document it how about you ?But maybe you wanna call Chen from Huobi and talk with him directly ?

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Why don't you do that? Because you are a criticizer-plus-non-deliver?  I'll support it if someone makes deal with hitbtc, though personally I don't like this exchange.
Because i know the price and waited till BTS reaches 8 cents to be able to pay for real liquidity instead of wasting BTS for nothing.Delivering horseshit isn't difficult.Matle85 already showed how many shit exchanges anybody can instantly deliver which are top 50 CMC.
Also you as committee member should uphold the procedures of workers however you clearly have a problem with it as you again broke them.

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off topic, no response. You may start a new topic to attack me on this. It was a failure experiment with good intention, the result is that BitShares is more healthy.
Breaking procedures as commitee is not offtopic.
Who exectly signed the proposal to send you funds and skip the procedures which were clearly stated in the worker ?
You say loosing a lot of members because of the global settlement on bitusd and heavy losses on bitcny resulted into a more heatlhy bitshares?
I guess we have diffrent opinions on that.

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I don't get why this question is so important to you that you have to make the font bold. Isn't that normal that crypto trading platform hide their private info from public?
No normaly you can find any decent exchanges adress or company info.Binance is diffrent but still you can find its adress on the internet since everyone knows its located in Malta and a real company.
Biki is diffrent because each second comment on telegram is a scam accusation and hiding all info for a company which is based in singapore which has MAS and regulations is a red flag since its a totaly unknown exchange.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on March 29, 2019, 07:25:44 am
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I regret wasting my time replying you because you are repeating fabricated facts and meaningless words. So I hope this is the last reply to you. 
It is a time waste talking about something which can't be changed anymore however this kind of responsibility makes sure noone else is going to make such bs in future.



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You have a chance to prove that I am wrong through data instead of fabricated facts and now you say you don't want to waste time even though it is easy as hell?  then why do you have time spamming this post with meaningless replies?
 
You just need the history logs of last 24h and check real executed volume.How much is it ?
Also you refused till now to explain what you exectly checked which took 2 weeks of your time.


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Ridiculous, you are commenting always according to your guess or imagination instead of facts. I've never said rightBTC meet the criteria, instead, I have clearly stated rightBTC was not our choice, but you are still attacking this point? Because you have no other words?
I have no intention to gain the bounty, I am more interested in making bitCNY listed on CEX, as the bounty didn't go to my pocket, it went to a group of people who contributed, also a big part is going to be used for marketing and trading competition.
I'm mentioning it because it is the same like RightBTC.Fake volume and complaining clients and nothing more.RightBTC is also owned by Eric Gu the co founder of NEO and CEO of Metaverse,Zengold,Zen..... .....and ?
This means shit since the exchange is still shit like biki.com .
Also RightBTC is a top 25 CMC exchange which is fullfilling the main criteria according to you.
 
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Liar. Why don't you just show the proof of your "big part" ?  I am looking forward to seeing how big it was. Now let me show you some proof.

Just like getting BTS listed on biki.com, getting BTS on binance and huobi were also team work and there are two private wechat groups that consist of the main contributors for BTS listed in Huobi, one is call huobi&BTS, the other one is called huobi us & BTS, A few community members inclduing bitcrab, abit, me, Ryan, zicen are all in it, but unfortunately no one inside is called Thul3.

Now I am 100% percent sure that you lack logical thinking that a normal discussion requires. You attacked me in the previous post that I didn't contribute anything for BTS listing on top exchange, and I mentioned binance and huobi without saying I was the main contributor. Technically, you have to prove that I didn't participate any, instead of faking the facts that you were a big part.  BTW, Li has the final say of coin listing on huobi, if we name the second, it could be Wong, Qin or Tang, but never nobody Chen. I don't even know there is a guy call Chen in Huobi's management team. And I confirmed that from global CEO of huobi personally face to face. Maybe you only talked with their custom service and you think that is a big part contribution?

BTS was listed on Huobi because of another bitshares based token which paid a very high fee to get listed there.BTS was listed there because they integrated the bitshares network into their exchange for that coin and later changed completly their exchange structur dividing their exchange into multiple.
Like i said call Chen who is responible for listing coins on Huobi so he can tell you exectly why they listed BTS.






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Wait until 8 cents? why don't you just wait until 80 cents then the bounty is enough for 10 decent exchanges?  You know what was the listing fee when BTS was 80 cents?  Nonsense.
You are aware that these exchanges take listing fee's in BTC ?
And you are aware that with a raising price BTS gains way quicker value than BTC ?

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Repeating fabricated facts again. You judge a Chinese/East Asia exchange based their telegram group? If I judge poloniex or bittrex through wechat groups, they are shit exchange too. biki have tens of wechat group. Biki has office in Beijing and Singapore. There are more than 50 employees. The main investor of biki is Du Jun, who was the cofounder of huobi and now the boss of jinse.com, biggest crypto media in China, and boss of Node capital, which is one of the most famous token fund in China.  You don't know it doesn't mean it is unknown, ask from your Chinese friend, if you have any, don't live in fantasy.
I judge based on the facts i see.If there is only wash trading thats a bad sign.Customer Rating very low.Shitcoins being listed bad.Checking Customer support channels and seeing all the complains thats bad.
50 employees Biki ?I guess like Eric Gu has 50 employee's but noone working on that specific exchange.He wouldn't even cover the monthly cost of 2 employee's with his real volume.
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You are so narrow minded that I start to feel ashamed wasting time on you.
My work is done for helping bitCNY get listed on CEX, the first one is always the most difficult one. However, I will encourage others to make bitCNY get listed on more top 40 exchanges, aka "Thul3 branded shit exchange ". So, keep barking and enjoy!
A shit exchange is a shit exchange it doesn't need to be branded by me.Many members here are upset about that exchange.The diffrence is i raise my voice the loudest.
Also i highly doubt it was difficult.These kind of exchanges run to every project asking to list their coins for a listing fee.
The comments of their customers why they list only shit coins which value always go to zero is just a confirmation about it.

I get nearly each week requests from exchanges like Idax,Latoken,Cointiger etc to list a coin since they are a TOP 50 CMC exchange so i doubt its big work to get a coin listed on any of these kind of exchanges which income model is based on listing coins.



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I've never argued that, therefore,  if you want to prove I am wrong, you should prove that 40 other exchanges have bigger volume than biki.com, instead of spamming this post with transaction history of biki. I hope your education allows you to understand the logic here. If not, I'll explain it again.
The history log of BTC/USDT and ETH/USDT is proof enough to show the low volume that exchange has.What is a bigger proof ?
My economical education is good enough to spot these kind of fakes easily.
Seems you have an issue with that if you needed 2 weeks and couldn't see it
The fact that you are a comittee member and are even unable to stick to offical protocal is also concerning.

Here a Question from another member which seem you have overlook

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I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?






Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: sschiessl on April 03, 2019, 06:35:30 am
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?

Please clarify. It seems that the rules of the worker have changed (through an agreement of the proposal creator and escrow), and I would kindly ask you to restate the what rules have been re-redefined and what the new rules are such that anyone can participate.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on April 03, 2019, 03:57:28 pm
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?

Please clarify. It seems that the rules of the worker have changed (through an agreement of the proposal creator and escrow), and I would kindly ask you to restate the what rules have been re-redefined and what the new rules are such that anyone can participate.
If the main controversy is when to pay the bounty, and it is understandable that CEX must get money first and then start the technical work for listing, I would suggest that the lobbyist take the risk, that is, if smartcoin get delisted within 60 days, lobbyist has to pay back all the funds. 
Also, according to the original post,
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Bitshares Committee will take the responsibility to verify the work of lobbyist and decide the distribution of reward.

it's clear that committee take root responsibility to verify the whole process, including the quality of exchange, cost of listing fee, etc.. so I would also suggest that all lobbyist talk with committee members directly(All of them have telegram accounts).
   
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 09, 2019, 09:36:58 am
Hi all, proposal raised against smartcoin-committee for listing fee for IDCM. Listing agreement has been modified/agreed with BBF and IDCM ready for signature. No funds will be released to IDCM until listing agreement is signed by them.

Committee members have been contacted individually and provided with details.

If anyone wants to ask me anything just get in touch on telegram @matle85.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 09, 2019, 11:07:11 am
IDCM is even worse than BIKI.

Alexa rank 420k (no traffic at all) for idcm.io which isn't working for me from 3 diffrent places. idcm.cc is working but has a rank of 2200000 on alexa

Many scam accusations and lawsuits because of hacking (They got a very bad security reputation and are also sued by a crypto foundation because of that)

They claim to be a chinese exchange based in HK but main traffic is HK,Nigeria,Vietnam,India,Turkey

Opinion on feixiaohao.com bad 1 1/2 star from 5.

Any other shitexchange has better parameters than that exchange.

Did you monitored their main trading pairs BTC/USDT and ETH/USDT ?
Big spread between sell and buy order so high that i highly doubt there is any significant volume at all.You can see the wash trading each second being executed.The diffrence between buy and sell order on BTC is $60
The worst part is the exchange itself seems to be very buggy.
When going to ETH/USDT or EOS/USDT pair it was switching prices each second from BTC to ETH and back to BTC.

I can't imagine bitshares which is trying to deliver highest security to its users to pay for a listing to such an exchange.

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 09, 2019, 11:44:53 am
Hi Thul - how unexpected that you're the first to reply ;)

Can you check feixiaohao.com for the following:

1. Exrates.me.
2. IDCM - done, details can be added.
3. LATOKEN
4. Hotbit
5. IDAX
6. RightBTC

I have listing options for all the above ready. I'll just check them on Alexa now so we can have some ranking review/discussion.

I am discussing separately with a top 5.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 09, 2019, 11:54:09 am
Ranking below (for context bitshares.org is 205,590):

1. Exrates.me (Alexa = 124,793)
2. IDCM.io (Alexa = 418,843)
3. LATOKEN.com (Alexa = 31,954)
4. Hotbit.io (Alexa =  38,158)
5. IDAX (Alexa = 60,213)
6. RightBTC (Alexa = 407,324)

IDAX is > 4* as expensive so we can rule that option out.

Traffic wise LATOKEN actually looks good. Let me know what it says for them, Hotbit and Exrates on feixiahohao.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ZBG_George on April 10, 2019, 01:53:34 am
Hi,
I am a node from ZBG.com (http://ZBG.com), ZBG exchange is ranking top 10 in the coinmarketcap (reported vol.) and  top 5 in the Coingecko. ZBG is the seventh-generation technology products developed by ZB team. It inherits the security advantages of original exchange system and fully supports the construction of the alliance trading platform. ZBG is the official flagship website of ZB Global, whose core team has operated one of the biggest global trading platforms for more than 5 years, and has gained hundreds of engineers and millions of active users.
ZBG is willing to list bitCNY and BTS, normally ZBG listing fee for per coin is as following website link, https://oss.zbg.com/file/listing.pdf (http://ttps://oss.zbg.com/file/listing.pdf). But If with 1million BTS coins budgets, I am confident to let ZBG listing 2 coins(BTS& BitCNY) and also listing in ZBM.com at the same time. ZBM.com is the ZBG alliance exchange in Singapore to target for STO, also base on seventh-generation technology products developed by ZB team.


Please tell me to talk to whom and how to go on next step.
thanks.
Best Regards!
George
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ZBG_George on April 10, 2019, 02:10:32 am
Hi,
I am a node from ZBG.com, ZBG exchange is ranking top 10 in the coinmarketcap (reported vol.) and  top 5 in the Coingecko. ZBG is the seventh-generation technology products developed by ZB team. It inherits the security advantages of original exchange system and fully supports the construction of the alliance trading platform. ZBG is the official flagship website of ZB Global, whose core team has operated one of the biggest global trading platforms for more than 5 years, and has gained hundreds of engineers and millions of active users.
ZBG is willing to list bitCNY and BTS, normally ZBG listing fee for per coin is as following website link, https://oss.zbg.com/file/listing.pdf. But If with 1million BTS coins budgets, I am confident to let ZBG listing 2 coins(BTS& BitCNY) and also listing in ZBM.com at the same time. ZBM.com is the ZBG alliance exchange in Singapore to target for STO, also base on seventh-generation technology products developed by ZB team.


Please tell me to talk to whom and how to go on next step.
The contact email:  [email protected]
thanks.
Best Regards!

George   
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 10, 2019, 06:34:19 am
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guys I appreciate your work, now what I got is:

1.the worker is voted out and now there's only 1.62M BTS left.
2.seems LATOKEN is not a good choice?

so I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit  and work on that following the process defined in this thread, make sure the left fund can cover the cost for listing.

LATOKEN option also available to committee for decision. PMs sent (for those I have details for) on telegram.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: xeroc on April 10, 2019, 07:12:55 am
@matle85 has created a transfer proposal for the smartcoin-marketing account which asks for ~800k of funding separated into listing fee and bounty for LATOKEN.

Re-reading the opening post, I believe it is too vague procedure wise. For instance, the bounty should be paid out separate from the listing fee (IMHO).
Additionally, I don't think we, as a community, are in a position where we can demand *more quality* exchanges to list BTS .. and *in particular* bitCNY and in
case of LATOKEN, i think the cost/benefit ratio is justify-able.

Hence, I will approve the proposal "1.10.26875"
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 10, 2019, 07:47:22 am
@matle85 has created a transfer proposal for the smartcoin-marketing account which asks for ~800k of funding separated into listing fee and bounty for LATOKEN.

Re-reading the opening post, I believe it is too vague procedure wise. For instance, the bounty should be paid out separate from the listing fee (IMHO).
Additionally, I don't think we, as a community, are in a position where we can demand *more quality* exchanges to list BTS .. and *in particular* bitCNY and in
case of LATOKEN, i think the cost/benefit ratio is justify-able.

Hence, I will approve the proposal "1.10.26875"

I disagree.
HitBTC is an exchange which is doable but it needs time and communication.I started together with matle85 to talk to HitBTC and they seem to be interrested but they are working slow.
Nobody even tried to contact HitBTC or any similar seize of exchange as it is way more difficult and more time consuming instead we got offers from exchanges which main income are listing fee's instead of trading fee's.
I get bombarded weekly with offers from IDAX,LAtoken,IDCM etc asking to list a coin on their exchange for a listing fee with discount.

Here just from last week

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Hello!
I'm Anna from LATOKEN Exchange. We are interested in listing your token at our Exchange ($450m daily trading volume). Please tell me whom I can talk to to discuss our offer?
Her telegram handle @anna_latoken .You can make a deal with her in 5 minutes.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: xeroc on April 10, 2019, 07:52:52 am
I disagree.
HitBTC is an exchange which is doable but it needs time and communication.I started together with matle85 to talk to HitBTC and they seem to be interrested but they are working slow.
Nobody even tried to contact HitBTC or any similar seize of exchange as it is way more difficult and more time consuming instead we got offers from exchanges which main income are listing fee's instead of trading fee's.
I get bombarded weekly with offers from IDAX,LAtoken,IDCM etc asking to list a coin on their exchange for a listing fee with discount.
I understand your disagreement and I would prefer high quality exchanges as well. All I am doing is trying to
follow the terms set forth by the OP that created the worker proposal and that was approved by voters.

Maybe we should learn from that and do *specific* workers next time. Get funding specifically for a listing on
any of the big exchanges. That gives the decision to the voters. Until then, I can only make a decision based
upon the conditions of the worker proposal and not based on my personal preference.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 10, 2019, 08:06:09 am
To be clear - speaking to Jademont the view was to get one mid-range exchange closed and listed then use the remaining fee available for a top 10 exchange. LATOKEN would be the mid-range increasing visibility of bitCNY.

I'm assisting Thule in his discussions with HitBTC and am speaking to others (including Binance) about bitCNY separately.

I think listing bitCNY is a bit of a no brainer for the big exchanges once it is on their radar and they see trading volume elsewhere - it reduces their exposure to centralised coins and adds the Chinese currency to their stablecoin offering.

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 10, 2019, 08:16:18 am
On LAtoken .
4th highest BTC trading pair based on volume with 372 BTC 24h volume (REP token)

(https://i.imgur.com/M0Uv2bg.jpg)

Somebody is going to explain to me that volume when there is only one single real sell order worth 0.01 BTC ?
At least its nice to see their wash trading bot how it works which is jumping from coin to coin.

XLM #2 on volume 2125 BTC . Check their buy order book.Its even impossible to sell $1000 worth of XLM without dropping the price by 50%

What liquidity or trading volume for bitassets are we talking here?

Liquidity of their BTC-USDT pair (volume 81k BTC) .Amount of BTC in sell orders from $5220 to $5320 is $2200 and all bot offers as they recaulculate each second

When people voted for this worker i doubt they meant this kind of top 50 CMC exchanges.

$14k bounty for an exchange with no liquidity begging to list coins is not something i support.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 10, 2019, 08:31:02 am
LATOKEN are consistently top 20/25 so bring profile and they have a decent ranking on Alexa which implies a good portion of the traffic/trading is legitimate.

Out of the top 50 exchanges there are periodic concerns with traffic/trading volumes.

The point here on this worker was to get us listed on some exchanges so that people start actually hearing what bitCNY/USD are.

I agree with Xeroc's point we should be specific with workers moving forward as here I had probably 5-6 options that satisfied the criteria back in Nov. Only one listing took place so far and that was for a non-top 50 exchange.

You have some power now as a proxy Thul to support/propose good workers that will add specific value to Bitshares as you see it - have you thought about what these will be or what you would like to see being proposed?

I think bounties are good, more specific and clear the criteria the better to avoid cases of disagreement among the community.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 10, 2019, 08:52:07 am
LATOKEN are consistently top 20/25 so bring profile and they have a decent ranking on Alexa which implies a good portion of the traffic/trading is legitimate.

Out of the top 50 exchanges there are periodic concerns with traffic/trading volumes.

The point here on this worker was to get us listed on some exchanges so that people start actually hearing what bitCNY/USD are.

I agree with Xeroc's point we should be specific with workers moving forward as here I had probably 5-6 options that satisfied the criteria back in Nov. Only one listing took place so far and that was for a non-top 50 exchange.

You have some power now as a proxy Thul to support/propose good workers that will add specific value to Bitshares as you see it - have you thought about what these will be or what you would like to see being proposed?

I think bounties are good, more specific and clear the criteria the better to avoid cases of disagreement among the community.


The problem is these exchanges are in reality no top 50 CMC exchanges.They aren't even TOP 300 .They use fake volume to attract people to list their coin as their main income are listing fee's.
What does it bring bitassets to get listed on Latoken when it will bring zero volume or liquidity.That was not the purpose of that worker.
The purpose was to expand bitassets to exchanges to get real traders ,real liquidity and real volume.
Having bitassets listed on LAtoken i can tell you exectly what will happen.There will be zero volume because wash trading is not included in the price or there will be fake volume only with no liquidity.
In general you will be only able to buy and sell based on the amount of assets (own coin) you provide them.So where is the benefit in listing these bitassets when you don't get any new liquidity but only the one you gave them previously beside the BTC payment ?

Also why didn't anybody tried to get a real TOP 50 exchange ?The answer is because its difficult and thats why this bounty was created in the first place and not to receive bounty for exchanges which are asking each shit project to get them listed on their exchange.Contacting them and making a deal is nothing which would justify such a bounty.

I doubt you are going to deny it was easy to get an offer from IDAX,LAtoken,IDMC etc .......these exchanges have their people activly looking for any coin getting listed on their exchange.
They do no DD and accept even the biggest scam coins.


I said months ago if you want only fake volume i will open an exchange and get it with wash trading on #1 on CMC and will take the 1.5 million bounty for providing fake liquidity or to say it directly for nothing.

My intention is to expand bitshares by accuiring real growth and not by faking volume which won't do anything to the bitshares ecosystem beside losing a big amount of BTS.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 10, 2019, 08:58:40 am
Thul I contacted a huge number of exchanges to discuss, in some cases they concluded they would not list at the minute but maybe in the future. Some I am still discussing with.

The only ones who came to me/were spamming offers were IDAX who were also looking to get 19BTC for 3 pairs so it is really clear where their business case lies.

It's easy to just constantly sh*t on everything else people do - you have an opportunity now to actively do something / be involved in things in your proxy role so hopefully we can see some good proposals and activity coming from your side.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on April 10, 2019, 01:58:22 pm
@matle85 has created a transfer proposal for the smartcoin-marketing account which asks for ~800k of funding separated into listing fee and bounty for LATOKEN.

Re-reading the opening post, I believe it is too vague procedure wise. For instance, the bounty should be paid out separate from the listing fee (IMHO).
Additionally, I don't think we, as a community, are in a position where we can demand *more quality* exchanges to list BTS .. and *in particular* bitCNY and in
case of LATOKEN, i think the cost/benefit ratio is justify-able.

Hence, I will approve the proposal "1.10.26875"

This!
I hope the lobbyist will take the responsibility to connect with the exchange for all following matters, like software update, bug reporting, etc.. 
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: BitSG on April 10, 2019, 03:37:01 pm
I am Tony , Founder of GTS (gtstoken.com), I am lobbist of George, I will take responsibility for bitCNY and BTS be list on ZBG exchange and won't be remove within 6 months. Let me know if any question regarding on BTS and bitCNY list on ZBG exchange.

Best regards
Tony Yang
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 10, 2019, 04:21:36 pm
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This!
I hope the lobbyist will take the responsibility to connect with the exchange for all following matters, like software update, bug reporting, etc..

You don't need to look far away.It's enough to look at that thread at ZBG is that offer is valid.
ZBG is the door opener to ZB.Should bitcny succeed on ZBG it gets moved automaticly to ZB.
ZB is already getting activ on Bitshares as Witness and Proxy so what better opportunity you can get ?

But instead for BTS/BitCNY it should be for bitusd/bitncy as thats what the worker was for.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 10, 2019, 05:05:00 pm
I spoke to zb.com last year and they informed they had already listed bitCNY - I couldn't quite get to the bottom of it and it seemed there had been issues with paused withdrawls etc.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 10, 2019, 05:27:12 pm
I spoke to zb.com last year and they informed they had already listed bitCNY - I couldn't quite get to the bottom of it and it seemed there had been issues with paused withdrawls etc.

I think it was because of low liquidity.So ZBG would be a perfect step to get back to their main flag ship a real TOP10 exchange.
Also ZB's traffic is very interresting as its mostly asian (Japan,Korea,China)
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 10, 2019, 06:32:58 pm
I've spoken to ZB.com directly - if a native speaker wants to take over I can share the contact details.

ZBG is not a top 50 exchange so would not qualify under this worker (we already had one with Biki that did not technically qualify).

ZB is for sure a good top 5-10 exchange we should resolve things with but I'm not sure it would count either under this worker (as we had listing already when the worker was proposed and it's been removed due to low liquidity so maybe not the best option till we resolve what went wrong with them).

Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 10, 2019, 06:45:23 pm
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/zbg/


It has 3 times the volume of LAtoken on coinmarketcap .Its 100% not real but it surly has way more liquidity than LAtoken.
Also ZBG is a platform to gain attention and liquidity and once received it automaticly moves to ZB.
There is also always a good chance of merging like Huobi did in the past with Huobi Next.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on April 10, 2019, 07:44:38 pm
I am Tony , Founder of GTS (gtstoken.com), I am lobbist of George, I will take responsibility for bitCNY and BTS be list on ZBG exchange and won't be remove within 6 months. Let me know if any question regarding on BTS and bitCNY list on ZBG exchange.

Best regards
Tony Yang

Tony drop Thul and I a PM and then we can discuss by email/telegram.

It'd be good if you could include someone from ZB so we can establish what we need to do to improve things and get liquidity for bitCNY on there.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: BitSG on April 11, 2019, 02:20:53 pm
I am pleasure to involved , as you know , ZB is already getting active on bts as Witness and Proxy , major exchange participate Witness and Proxy is a huge change to the existing situation, let's Wait and see~ :)
 
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 11, 2019, 07:48:28 pm
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People who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby, if finally the exchange open smartcoin market, the lobbyist need to provide evidence that it’s his/her work that make things happen.

Thul3 are applying for HitBTC.

account
b-dex

email
prefer to not provide our email adresses in public because of spam.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: sschiessl on April 12, 2019, 05:02:55 am
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?

Please clarify. It seems that the rules of the worker have changed (through an agreement of the proposal creator and escrow), and I would kindly ask you to restate the what rules have been re-redefined and what the new rules are such that anyone can participate.

I would very much appreciate to clearly define how the rules have changed.

Is it the same as before? How are listing fees handled? Are they supposed to be included in the bounty, or on top of it? Who must bring proof of what?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: sschiessl on April 12, 2019, 05:07:55 am
Please post the names of the signing committee members,  for the record.

I actually sorted that one out, but I'd rather have a proper statement from committee first.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on April 18, 2019, 11:15:08 am
I am pleasure to involved , as you know , ZB is already getting active on bts as Witness and Proxy , major exchange participate Witness and Proxy is a huge change to the existing situation, let's Wait and see~ :)

Cool, I think it's not bad for zb ecosystem participating BitShares more deeply, and it seems zbg qualifies this bounty on all aspects,  it's a better exchange than latoken and biki in terms of volume and ranks. So just go for it.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on April 18, 2019, 11:16:06 am
I am Tony , Founder of GTS (gtstoken.com), I am lobbist of George, I will take responsibility for bitCNY and BTS be list on ZBG exchange and won't be remove within 6 months. Let me know if any question regarding on BTS and bitCNY list on ZBG exchange.

Best regards
Tony Yang

Tony drop Thul and I a PM and then we can discuss by email/telegram.

It'd be good if you could include someone from ZB so we can establish what we need to do to improve things and get liquidity for bitCNY on there.

Since you have get the bounty, is there a timeline for listing? Thanks.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 23, 2019, 07:10:25 pm
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Since you have get the bounty, is there a timeline for listing? Thanks.

Does it mean Committee approved payment for LAtoken or even for the bigger shitty exchange IDCM ?
If yes i would like to know which committee member signed for it.

Congrats to throwing out funds for horse shit.
Seeing all the big amount proposals now coming to get voted in i would love to know how you want to pay for any decent exchange.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: xeroc on April 24, 2019, 06:20:29 am
Does it mean Committee approved payment for LAtoken or even for the bigger shitty exchange IDCM ?
If yes i would like to know which committee member signed for it.
I made my reasoning quite clear last time. To iterate, I was made escrow by 3rd party and can only judge according to the conditions set forth in the worker proposal.
The bounty hunter played by those rules and not acknowledging that would discourage everyone involved.
Going forward, the community may need to consider evaluating worker proposals more stringently and demand clearer payout rules for bounties.

When I review proposals for the BBF, we always look at milestones that can be judged in clear metrics: Reached, Not Reached. Everything that leaves space for
interpretation causes drama (like here) afterwards - and I don't blame anyone for it. Let's learn a lessons (or two) and move on.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on April 29, 2019, 08:06:42 pm
Quick update :
Had a long phone call with HitBTC.
They are very interrested into listing bitCNY as a stablecoin.
We also talked about bitUSD and they would be willing to list that stable/smartcoin too.

Later we talked about Market Maker and that they use a 3rd party as MM which would fit perfectly for our smartcoins because they don't make MM to increase volume but to uphold a small spread and a deep orderbook.

Will get now some offical proposals from which we can pick which fits best for our needs.

More detailed info will be later shared with the committee



Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: xeroc on April 30, 2019, 01:23:38 pm
Will get now some offical proposals from which we can pick which fits best for our needs.

More detailed info will be later shared with the committee
AWESOME!
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on May 06, 2019, 02:40:39 pm
Forwarded the offers from HitBTC to committee
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on May 11, 2019, 04:34:13 pm
So it seems the interrest of getting a real liquidity exchange (for DAI the main source of real volume and liquidity) is currently not high because of lack of funding (as arround 50% of the fee's have been already spent on the two other exchanges)
What makes HitBTC interresting is the fact that they have a nice amount of asian traffic.

Its very sad to see how these BTS have been spent and what value bitshares will get in return for that.Instead of joinging the exchange where DAI has its main liquidity and volume which provide low spread we will get now 2 noname exchanges with 99.5% wash trading and high spreads.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: abit on May 16, 2019, 03:48:58 pm
So it seems the interrest of getting a real liquidity exchange (for DAI the main source of real volume and liquidity) is currently not high because of lack of funding (as arround 50% of the fee's have been already spent on the two other exchanges)
What makes HitBTC interresting is the fact that they have a nice amount of asian traffic.

Its very sad to see how these BTS have been spent and what value bitshares will get in return for that.Instead of joinging the exchange where DAI has its main liquidity and volume which provide low spread we will get now 2 noname exchanges with 99.5% wash trading and high spreads.
I agree hitbtc would be a good choice once we have bigger bitCNY supply. If there is no fund left in the worker, I'd recommend that you create a new worker for the listing.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bench on May 19, 2019, 06:25:24 pm
HitBTC got some bad reputation lately.
Can someone summarize, how the BTS were spend and what achievements were made ?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: bench on May 23, 2019, 11:37:18 pm
Report of this worker?

https://www.cointelligence.com/content/is-hitbtc-insolvent-coinfirm-analysis-and-research-by-cointelligence-paint-a-disturbing-picture/
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on June 14, 2019, 12:15:14 pm
Are there any updates on Biki or LAtoken ?
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: matle85 on June 14, 2019, 03:42:01 pm
LATOKEN is under process with their technical team for integration - they sent some questions this week but I've been travelling for work so will only reply this evening / tomorrow. Should have a date for 'going live' shortly.
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: BitSG on September 06, 2019, 04:15:11 am
Hi, ZBG have listed BTS and BitCNY.

https://www.zbg.com/trade/bts_usdt
https://www.zbg.com/trade/bitcny_qc
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: binggo on September 06, 2019, 04:46:35 am
Hi, ZBG have listed BTS and BitCNY.

https://www.zbg.com/trade/bts_usdt
https://www.zbg.com/trade/bitcny_qc

感觉好早的事情了...
Title: Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
Post by: Thul3 on September 08, 2019, 01:31:48 pm
Biki.com

There seems to be only two trading pairs bitcny/usdt and bts/usdt .
Requirement was many major assets against bitcny

(https://i.imgur.com/qUT9hRu.jpg)


5.5 BTC payment for this ?

This would have been 1/4 payment of hitbtc with real deep liquidity on its own stablecoin tab with against 7 major assets ,real volume,promotion and professional market maker.

If we pay 5.5 BTC for a 0.43 cny 24h/volume on bitcny/usdt and a 12k bts volume on bts/usdt it is no wonder Bitshares is not moving forward.

About the liquidity on biki i won't even say a word.I guess the image says everything