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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 20, 2014, 11:31:00 am »
Why do you have any confirmation from DNS,Music teams that they will join up with BTS?

Peertracks is independent, DNS I'm not sure.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 20, 2014, 11:24:01 am »
What I'd like to asap is confirmation from the VOTE team that they will join up with BTS rather than launching their own blockchain, as BM said he hadn't consulted with them about this.

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I've been listening and find myself agreeing with BM. To summarize:
  • BM has an obligation to create something for post-28th feb donations and PTS holders, leading to the perceived conflict of interest
  • Fusioning all DACs into BTSX under the name BTS would focus BM on a single DAC
  • A fusion would be done through a second, final snapshot of PTS/AGS
  • This snapshot would create new BTSX to honor current PTS/AGS holders
  • This snapshot will focus all the funds on the same project in order to accelerate development
  • Any new features such as VOTE would be created inside BTS
  • Future scaling problems would be addressed using a spin-off: a snapshot of BTS used to create a new DAC

TLDR: Buying out PTS/AGS to create a bigger, better DAC with more features, more funding, better marketing potential and complete developer focus.

 +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 19, 2014, 07:22:58 pm »

The protoDAC model is not abandoned.  BTS would become the protoDAC to be honored for 3rd parties who want to leverage our growing network effect and DAC-savvy community.  These are third party specialty DACs you will definitely want to own and providing a little consulting to get them spun up is a small price to pay and consistent will all previous promises.

The proposal provides a stronger, simpler story for all the people we are about to bring into the ecosystem for the first time.  Before we turn on the vacuum cleaner and start filling the funnels, now it the time to get lean, clean, and simple to explain.

Oh, so there will be snapshots of BTS for third party dacs to distribute some of their shares to?  Nice :D  How will that work with TITAN, can it still be done?

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 19, 2014, 06:43:04 pm »
I think we also need an explanation as to how all of the negative aspects of "one chain to rule them all" no longer apply?

Fully agree.

This is not "one chain to rule them all".   
(Bytemaster merely mentioned that such claims would be incorrectly made.)

Two or three synergistic chains would be merged.
Other unbelievably powerful features would be added to that mix.
The network effect to maintain one bitUSD would be preserved.
And that's where Bytemaster next focuses his innovative energies.

But...
Most of our current DACs would remain independent.

More third party clones would still be tailored for unique markets.
(We'll be working to help launch one of those most of next week.)

Just a few are stronger together.
And if we don't combine them, someone else will.

Ok so we need to know which dacs/features will be merged and could potentially merged in the future.  And why are third party dacs getting help?  If the whole point is to focus on only BTS only then third party dacs shouldn't be taking the teams time at all.  I don't know any companies that say 'next week we'll mostly be working for a different company' :s.

Edit:  Unless the plan is to somehow merge with them too once they've proven themselves?

Edit:  just realized this could sound rude, and I don't mean to, but there aren't other dev teams i know of working on other projects in the middle of launching a startup, that itself consists of multiple dacs!  Isn't a mega-dac with fingers in multiple industries enough for one team?

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General Discussion / Re: short / medium term price speculation for BTSX
« on: October 19, 2014, 06:01:21 pm »
BTS is coming... I'm buying with both hands.

It is just a proposal though... one I like a lot, but not guaranteed to happen yet.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 19, 2014, 05:22:08 pm »


Let's be clear. This isn't an issue about guts or cojones. It's an issue about judgment. Does leadership have the holistic vision and depth of judgment to do what's best for Bitshares and the industry overall? Or, are they unduly influenced by a vocal minority here who are heavily vested in bitshares from pre-Feb 28th or who may have other, hidden agendas?

I hold only BTSX and I'm in favour of this because I want a strong bitUSD and an adaptable DAC that isn't competing with a bunch of other bitUSDs.  Bitshares DACS all use the same business model of creating a stable bitasset backed by their shares.  They could be in completely different industries (Voting, banking) but still be in pointless competition due to sharing the same business model, that of popularizing their bitasset(s).  Why not bring the DACS together so they can compete against their real competitors and merge with their natural allies. 

I had a look at the chinese forum (with google translate) and they seem to be confused about what's going on.  Maybe they could use a translation?

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From what I gather bytemasters proposal "solving a million things at once" includes having the vote features rolled into BTSX and VOTE using the same bitUSD as BTSX, which would then just be called BTS.

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And market cap + volume of bitUSD is up a bit, people using it to hedge within the system :)

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 19, 2014, 04:39:45 pm »
The damage re: inflation has already been done. There is no turning back, we simply have to implement inflation because that is the only way to have the bitshares superDAC be competitive in the long run. Remember that shares will only ever be issued to fund endevours that are long term profitable and result in a net gain for the shareholders. This will only be positive unless you dont trust the developers and delegates. The only negative coming from implementing inflation is the selloff we are seeing right now, which means the damage has already been done.

No, it's plain to see that the selloff is not just due to the possibility of inflation. This selloff is about bigger issues with the current proposal and perhaps, to some degree, a loss in faith in leadership due to the fact that they are even entertaining such a proposal.

I heard talk of moving some of the dev funding held in BTC into BTSX, in which case the selloff allows more BTSX to be purchased, providing more funding if they do some of that while the price is down.

Also the price has been going down for weeks, it's not all because of this proposal.  There's a lot of uncertainty.  It's people freaking out from not understanding that the proposal makes bitshares much stronger.  If this proposal gets more well fleshed out and goes ahead BTSX (then called BTS) will become invincible. 

This proposal gives me more confidence in the leadership as it demonstrates bytemaster has the guts to take drastic measures to navigate us through the stormy seas of crypto-startup land. 

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Thanks, interesting listen.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 19, 2014, 02:29:27 pm »
Is VOTE dac an independant dac and are they still getting its own bitUSD debit card (for their own version of bitUSD) or are they on the same blockchain as BTSX with this proposal?

This proposal is to bring them all on to one chain.. no BitUSD competitors.

Awesome.  +5% (so long as it's still scalable)

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 19, 2014, 02:02:39 pm »
Is VOTE dac an independant dac and are they still getting its own bitUSD debit card (for their own version of bitUSD) or are they on the same blockchain as BTSX with this proposal?

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General Discussion / Re: will there still be mkting push?
« on: October 19, 2014, 01:48:38 pm »
Of course there will, that's not what's being discussed.  The proposal of uniting Bitshares could make the marketing much more effective.  Exciting to see how it plays out :D   

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General Discussion / Re: short / medium term price speculation for BTSX
« on: October 19, 2014, 01:14:11 pm »
I noticed bitUSD market cap and volume went up today.  Looks like people are hedging within the system against BTSX falling :)  If it goes down much more i'll double down, a united Bitshares under BM new proposal sounds stronger than ever.

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