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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: June 17, 2015, 12:54:17 pm »
i guess now the question is when will it come down. every crypto is suddenly rising, doesn't seem natural at all

The last pump lasted a few days, let's see how long this one goes on.

But then it will retreat and fall back to a little higher than last time (at least for Bitshares). There's definitely no correlation between the recent good news and this price increase, so I guess that increased adoption will only have a low to moderate impact in the short term. We might see in the future when Bitshares 2.0 is released a steady but incremental increase in the market cap as the Bitshares blockchain gain more and more utility. I believe a "slow" but continuous growth is definitely more sustainable than 15-20% daily increases.


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It seems that sending them to the reserve pool makes the most sense because it is the least controversial.

I second that!

All shareholders profit from that option.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: June 16, 2015, 02:42:56 pm »

Confirmed: we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen.

I'll believe it when Bitshares surpass Bitcoin's market cap. Which is far from easily done!

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Where did Cob's PeerTracks post go???
« on: June 16, 2015, 02:11:37 pm »
Had to delete it yes!

Posting another one today.

Thanks for keeping yesterday's post to yourselves guy (:

I did read it. Seems like you reveiled a little too much of the secret sauce  ;D

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Order book sharing between exchanges? I could put up a buy order on exchange A and get it filled by someone selling on exchange B?  :o

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General Discussion / Re: Wake up call: BitShares 2.0 is NOT BitShares
« on: June 15, 2015, 04:59:49 pm »
Valid points have been made in this thread as well as the others related to that subject, but the way some of them were formulated made me feel like they were used more to spread FUD than to start an honest and constructive discussion. I find it hard to believe that there is a benevolent motive behind some posts when they are formulated using an aggressive tone and insinuating that Bitshares is getting ripped off by Cryptonomex.

In case you haven't realized yet, I'm deliberately playing the devil's advocate here to force people out of blind faith and get them to evaluate objetively the situation under a more rational perspective and find arguments to counter my diatribe. Ultimately, what I want is people to ask themselves if they support this operation because they trust the core develpers, or if they support this operation because they understand what it's about and believe that it's the right thing to do.

So far, I have read a lot of knee-jerk "this is FUD" reactions but very little in terms of actually addressing the concerns I have raised. If the BitShares community takes the Cryptonomex deal, it must do so because it is convinced after careful and objective evaluation of all aspects of the deal that this is in BitShares' best interest, not because it believes blindly in some of the people involved in the deal. And before people can be convinced, things have to be tested and challenged.

One very important thing that people don't realize is that this time around we are not dealing with the core developers directly but with Cryptonomex, a company funded by private investors which primary objective, as any company, is to produce value for its shareholders. How much you trust Dan and Stan personally is irrelevant because Dan and Stan are not the only persons in command. As founders they certainly have a majority stake at this stage, but they already have to report to and take into account their investors opinion and make decisions that make business sense and put company growth as first priority even if it diverges from their philosphical ideals. They don't have the choice if they want to convince investors to get in for other rounds of funding. And even if they manage to keep their commitment to BitShares while they are majority stake holders, at some point they will exit, sell some of their holdings or let seasonned executives steer the company and lose control of what the company is doing. There is no way to guarantee that Cryptonomex will remain supportive to BitShares, and that's really a big concern considering that under current deal, Cryptonomex is controlling BitShares' life support system. It will take a single board decision for Cryptonomere to pull the plug on BitShares, try to steer it in a different direction or revoke whatever non-legally-binding agreement that has been made initially. If you think this is fud, you are extremely naive and have no experience of the world of business.

Raising concerns is perfectly normal. I find it reassuring that people are asking pertinent and tough questions, particularly when it has everything to do with the survival and success of Bitshares in the long term.

What I'm much les comfortable with is seeing it formulated in a way that suggests that those concerns are facts only to get a reaction out of people. The problem is that anyone who comes here on the forum and read your OP will be left with the impression that Cryptonomex is ripping off Bitshares, which as far as I know is currently not the case. Your accusations will ring as truth to those that don't take the time to go through the whole thread, while your claims are still unsubstantiated. That is FUD by definition.

Back your claims with proofs and I'll be behind you. Ask tough but respectful questions and I'll be behind you.
The business world is definitely not forgiving. But throwing accusations around in the real world without these accusations being verified is called defamation.

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General Discussion / Re: Wake up call: BitShares 2.0 is NOT BitShares
« on: June 15, 2015, 12:42:52 am »
Bitshares 2.0 has been designed and coded without any funding from the Bitshares DAC. As stated by BM in another thread, the fact is the salary the devs made in the last few months was barely enough to pay for bug fixing on the 0.9.x versions.

That being said, if Cryptonomex paid its employees to develop the Graphene toolkit using its own money, it's only normal that Crypthonomex owns the rights to that toolkit.

So basically Bitshares can now benefit for all that work it didn't really pay for (or only partially) by getting unlimited use of the Graphene toolkit, as long as Bitshares stays on a single chain. Am I the only one that sees this as good thing? Anyone who tells me that Bitshares owns every core developers' ass for less than a 1000$ per month is hypocritical. The devs are free to work for any company they want as long as they deliver more value than the salary they are paid for by Bitshares.

The only thing I would like to hear from BM is that every feature that Cryptonomex will develop for Bitshares (and paid by Bitshares) is going to be used solely by the DAC. Pretty much the same as if you work as a consultant for a company, the company retains the rights of what you developed for them. So if Bitshares allow let's say a budget of 3M BTS for the development of a special feature, then Cryptonomex cannot retain the rights to that part of the work and thus cannot license and sell that part of the code to other companies. It should be either open sourced and free to use or licensed by Bitshares or closed source, the decision being made by the Bitshares shareholders.

With that kind of confirmation I feel totally comfortable with the model BM came up with. For example, if Bitshares shareholders don't want to pay for any development at some point because they feel the product they have is good enough, I think it's only fair that the core devs find other sources of revenue by working for other clients.

Valid points have been made in this thread as well as the others related to that subject, but the way some of them were formulated made me feel like they were used more to spread FUD than to start an honest and constructive discussion. I find it hard to believe that there is a benevolent motive behind some posts when they are formulated using an aggressive tone and insinuating that Bitshares is getting ripped off by Cryptonomex.

BM and the core dev team have everything to win if Bitshares is successful, and they have a lot to lose if it fails. They already have a lot of skin in the game, so I wouldn't be too much concerned about the fact that they have the success of Bitshares as their utmost priority.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: June 12, 2015, 06:00:08 pm »

Thanks Ander for the technical analysis. I don't know much about that subject but I know enough to understand it's a powerful tool that needs to be considered seriously when you one want to predict short/mid term movements. Personnally I don't try to time my buys with the lowest of the lows in fear of missing out, so since we hit the bottom at 8.5M$ market cap I try to buy as much as I'm comfortable to before the next big push upward.

And with all the new gateways that popped up in the last months (Metaexchange, Blocktrades, CCEDK) Bitshares we'll be ready to receive all that new money!

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General Discussion / Bitshares price discussion
« on: June 12, 2015, 04:05:43 pm »
First of all, I know that a lot of you (me as well included) are here for the long run, so short term price is not a pressing concern in the sense that we're not waiting for a rise to dump our holding and make a quick profit. I'm hoarding and accumulating because I really believe in the long term success of the platform, economically and idealogically, even more since the announcement of Bitshares 2.0. At some point I wasn't totally convinced it could go mainstream, but now it's totally clear in my mind Bitshares will become real big at some point.

That being said, I'm still wondering why the price has dropped since the announcement? Other than "buy the rumor, sell the news" type of answer, is there a logical explanation to the current situation?

In 2014 at some point we had a marketcap of more than 60-70M$ with a real buggy client and not even half the features that will come up with 2.0.

Was it all only hype and speculation, or is it because Bitshares is seriously undervalued right now?

Part of it may be because the market hasn't realized yet the potential of Bitshares 2.0 and that all those close to the project are actually already fully invested?

I'd like to have the perspective of traders (and everybody else also) on the subject!

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Random Discussion / Re: Opportunity of a Lifetime - ACT NOW!
« on: June 12, 2015, 01:25:52 pm »
Man I enjoy the posts of these entertainers   :D

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Back from MIDEM (pre-announcements)
« on: June 10, 2015, 07:23:24 pm »
Thanks for the update Cob!

And congrats, you did a solid job at MIDEM!

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Technical Support / Re: Announcing BitShares 2.0
« on: June 08, 2015, 07:09:32 pm »
I pissed my pants a little while reading about all those new and incredible features, and I'm still far from understanding all the implications.

Incredible job!!!

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: NOTES are listed ar CMC
« on: June 02, 2015, 12:02:47 pm »

Also, IIRC and they are going to offer streaming in the MVP already .. then they will need to do alot of development at the frontend and server tech too .. The Peertracks business is NOT just a blockchain .. it's more than that .. and does cost money to develop and maintain .. independent of the ACTUAL blockchain

Disclaimer: I am not defending the secrecy around Peertracks and MUSIC .. I'd rather point out to you that Peertracks is not just a blockchain ..

All you say makes perfect sense. The only issue I see is that the pre-sale investors don't have ANY stake in Peertracks itself. It is privately owned by very few people. I'll try to formulate this politely, but using the Bitshares Music pre-sale money to develop a privately owned company raises some serious ethical questions.

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Excellent news! Finally the first step for fiat on/off ramp.  +5%

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Why are people talking about BitUSD having a premium value? Isn't the whole point that BitUSD is supposed to closely match USD? Therefore having any value above or below $1 is bad, right?

Doesn't work that way. bitUSD at present is a premium that costs quite a bit more than $1.

Doesn't look like it on BTER.. and in my opinion that makes bitusd less valuable if  it's price is sundown different than USD.. while point is they are supposed to match.

?

First of all, most people don't really trust BTER anymore after the whole hacking situation. Second, external exchanges will always suffer liquidity-wise compared to the internal BTS exchange (where we want trading to happen). Third and most obvious, BitUSD 2.0 hasn't been released yet...

What is BITUSD 2.0? How does it work?

Yes,  but still the point is that it's selling point is that it's value is supposed track USD.. right?  So it doesn't make sense to pay more than $1.01 or so for it.

Yes, it's suppose to be "around" 1$. But the term "market-pegged" doesn't mean that it's suppose to track exactly the value. Since both long and short aren't perfectly balanced at all time on the demand side, it's normal that its value fluctuate. Market forces are what defines the value of the bitUSD compared to the USD. With BitAssets 2.0, the rules will be such that the peg will fluctuates over 1$.

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