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I am glad I am not the only one, who finds this idea attractive. Is there enough liquidity? I don't know, but I will tell my perspective: I am a conservative investor in BTS terms, but I trust the bitUSD peg to hold and I believe, it would hold also for other assets (if they were useful - such as indexes). And indexes are far less speculative investment than BTS, so I could invest like 2x - 3x more than I am currently in BTS

To me, a referral program is completely worthless. At present I don't tell my friends/family about BitShares, because there is nothing useful for them here (I just discuss with them the theoretical aspects of BS, mostly without mentioning it). And a referral program won't change it. On the other hand, as soon as there appears something useful for them in BitShares, I will begin spreading the word WITH or WITHOUT the referral program.

My priorities:

1) Finish 1.0 and introduce other pegged assets (stocks, indexes, commodities)
2) Wait for the word to spread + use ordinary marketing channels
3) If this doesn't help, start referral program


#1 is a must. #'s 2 and 3 could be done together. For many successful businesses, building a robust referral network IS part of ordinary marketing.

+5%
Referrals are ordinary marketing.  There are really only two steps. 1) and 2).


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General Discussion / Integrating with Lending Club
« on: April 13, 2015, 11:38:39 am »
And other fin tech providers

http://thefinanser.co.uk/fsclub/2015/04/why-fintech-banks-will-rule-the-world.html?utm_content=buffer71fc2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Are we on track to be the backbone of these fintech apps and in what ways could we integrate?


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General Discussion / Re: Now we are at the bottom.
« on: April 10, 2015, 05:20:03 pm »

Finally - I think Stellar is showing a far superior implementation of distributed consensus, so even if BTS delivers on amazing product + marketing, it may still be outpaced by other solutions.

Could you elaborate on on your analysis of stellar's consensus model? 


I share much of your view on bitshares valuation btw.


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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Adjustments to delegate pay
« on: April 10, 2015, 02:15:09 am »
We gotta get you to Blacksburg...


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General Discussion / Power of the community: Price recovery action 1
« on: April 08, 2015, 05:01:31 pm »


What Bitshares needs are optional user accounts linked to government id and verified by a DAC.

This would make KYC/AML trivial and open the fiat floodgates. I think the dev team already has this in their sights and the tech forms part of the VOTE platform.

What Bitshares also needs is completely anonymous, secure and untraceable accounts.

This would change the world:



You are totally right, this is the real value for adoption and decentralisation, if IBM is going to create their own currency linked to FIAT, here we have something already built and with its own multiFiat exchange

Wrong. Who is going to verify identity? Dont forget you have more than just the US identities to deal with. Oh, and dont forget, whoever controls the identity verification system is corruptable and centralized. VOTE will never work beyond a simple polling place no different than the value of the polls here on this form.

For vote to work there would need to be multiple centralized identity services competing against one another, cross verifying identities, and calling out bad performance.

Also, I loosely understand that politicians would eventually need to pay voters directly to incentive voting


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Analyzing your proposal, what you're really suggesting is price pumping without long term vision for a sustainable DAC.  Your proposed changes are shortsighted like bring in more community members with new slogans like "no dilution" and a new flashy brand, and without consideration for things that matter more, like dev resources, sustainable consensus mechanisms, and launching BitAsset markets.  I don't appreciate the proposed pumping and fear mongering because it detracts from those who are here to actually make this a success with the time and diligence required.  Your proposal shows clear impatience.  Luckily, there is a stop coming up in five minutes, you are welcome to get off and board the next train.


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Yes,  just advising people to get off is very popular round here.


All is swell. 
If not, sell.

Now that actually turned out to be fantastic investment advice.

Thanks for the feedback though.

Option 1: Unfortunately development costs money, we've largely run out of it.  A team with $1 million+ in development funds and low overheads developing a BitAsset competitor could potentially be much more competitive than BTS accessing 15k a month via dilution that has a merger draining value too. I think that's the most likely competitor. I don't think there's any price pumping there, it's just maths, business and common sense.

Option 2: Is a lot about brand image, correct. Believe it or not, it's critical for a successful business.  There's also the fact that a DAC accessing 15k via dilution per month and with up to a 100k per month drain on the share price is not much more competitive than a no dilution DAC & less popular. A new brand may have a higher chance of long term success as well as the potential for lucrative short term gains. I believe a no dilution DAC, valued at $80 million like BTSX was with fees in the $0.02-0.05 can certainly be self sustaining, competitive and not some sort of price pump.

Option 3: Is about discussing a range of big changes to BTS. The time to do that is not when BTS falls to $10 million and everyone is panicking but before. If the merger doesn't add value and is overly expensive and we're below $10 million, yes I'd consider cancelling it. If dilution for non developers is not adding value, getting the share supply below 2.5 Billion and only employing developers (& paying them more) may be worth a try. If there are options like revenue sharing that could lighten the burden on shareholders and introduce genuine free market competition into BTS as opposed to who is the best at getting votes, then yes consider that too . All of these could potentially improve BTS at a foundational level and would not be price pumping imo.

The new BTS may well be successful just as it is. Well done to all the people who believe  in the fundamentals and are working diligently to make it a long term success and make positive contributions even in the face of up to 80% losses. Apologies for investors like me that tend to be overly critical in a long and sustained price decline.

Thought leaders in this space are beginning to talk about how native b/ch token value is only correlated with community.  (B/chs with bitassets shake that up a bit, but not completely). 

If it's true that value comes community, then a fork with more money will need to buy their own community, which will be extremely expensive.  It's possible to do, but community builds from other things than money, such as 3rd party businesses.  Because of the cost of community, bitshares will be very difficult to compete against via forking and VC funding, esp considering further difficulty in setting up BitAsset markets, copying existing UIA markets and cloning 3rd party businesses.


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Analyzing your proposal, what you're really suggesting is price pumping without long term vision for a sustainable DAC.  Your proposed changes are shortsighted like bring in more community members with new slogans like "no dilution" and a new flashy brand, and without consideration for things that matter more, like dev resources, sustainable consensus mechanisms, and launching BitAsset markets.  I don't appreciate the proposed pumping and fear mongering because it detracts from those who are here to actually make this a success with the time and diligence required.  Your proposal shows clear impatience.  Luckily, there is a stop coming up in five minutes, you are welcome to get off and board the next train.


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Enough with the price anxiety.  If the Devs have salary covered for the next three years, then IMO we're golden.

Industrial grade clients and blockchain + on/off ramps + referral marketing + 2 to 3 years = revolutionary success


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You can't please everyone.
Agreed.

I am already used to the bits-of-apps-for-hire's arrogance, and so I am not the tiniest bit surprised that he is not trying to please anybody but himself. So, this is not an attempt to change his mind, it is more of an explanation that he fully realizes what he is doing and does it this way only to serve his own interest.

So, if he believed that selling such amount of BTS would not kick the price of BTS way down, he would have taken BTS and sold them himself. But why do it? This would mean accepting BTS at current  price and suffering the loss when he himself kicks the price down by selling those BTS. It is much better for him to accept the BTC (and valuate them at equivalent BTS value) at a point when somebody  has sold those BTS (for BTC) and by doing so has moved the price of BTS down.... In other words he very well knows what this 'funding' will do to the BTS price and he is doing it in a way he does not suffer from the consequences of his actions....

If it gets funded and is later successful, the moonstone project ends up being good for all bts holders. Those who are worried about what it will do to the price in the short run seem not to be very bullish on some combination of moonstone/bts projects in the long run.  I personally don't think it's worth worrying about what the crowd funder will "do to the price" because I see moonstone as a harbinger of long run value for bts. Further, we'd be worse off if moonstone didn't reach their fundraising goal just because of the cost of doing it in bts.


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Technical Support / Re: The Windows client is a dog! Please fix it.
« on: April 08, 2015, 01:13:54 am »
What do you aim to do with bit reserve?


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Yeah  I'm with svk, Ander & Fuzzy on the 'merger' subject. 

I started following BTS after the 'merger' but it was always a puzzle why it was necessary.  Building a conglomerate seemed contrary to the ethos of decentralization and also business competition.  The 'merger' was spun as the creation of a  'SuperDAC' and I understand putting everything in a positive light for marketing, but I think from a business perspective it would be good to reflect on the 'merger' to decide if it was worth it.  It was really just an acquisition of Vote & DNS for 20% of the company post-merger.   Was that a good decision? 

I don't think so.  We're a long away from the days of vertical integration and monopolization as Rockerfeller did with the oil industry  Most businesses in the last couple decades have seen the value of spin-offs, breaking up supply chains to focus on core competencies.  Big businesses with a lot of cash acquire smaller companies to stifle competition, but it decreases the overall value-creation process.  In this case the acquisition is odd because it looks more like a startup acquiring two businesses that are entirely unrelated.  It's like Facebook in the early days trying to acquire an early-stage McDonalds and early-stage Exxon.  (I know, I know there is tech overlap, but I'm trying to make a point.)  Devs could have worked on multiple projects and had two sources of income.   The value of Vote, DNS and BitsharesX would be valued much more highly as separate companies than as a MonopolyDAC. 

I'm very excited about Vote & DNS, but I think they're much more valuable on their own.  Besides shouldn't a voting blockchain be separate from an asset exchange blockchain?  Why add confusion to different consumer demographics? 

The reason why I discuss this rather than let it get swept under the rug is we can always reverse actions.  If there's eventually a demand to spin-off Vote & DNS down the road I'll be in favor.   Bring the total shares back to 2 Billion and spinoff Vote & DNS with a % equity in DAC shares.  Total combined marketcap of all three would be much greater and each DAC would focus on core competencies. 

The funny thing with all this is the original thread was complaining about delegate pay when I think more BTS should be spent on delegate pay for everything, especially for faster and quality core development.  Imagine taking 100 million of the 500 million BTS used to acquire  Vote & DNS and using it to fund faster & better tech development.  The DAC delegate pay model was a core advantage over other ecosystems that struggle to make ends meet.   Why don't we use more delegate spots to double the salary of developers or get new developers to help?   Feeling like there is not enough funds for development is self-induced.  Heck we could have used all 500 million BTS we used to purchase Vote & DNS to fund Bitshares development over time instead.   That would have been better use of dilution.

The 'merger' wasn't so much a merger as it was a buyout for time bytemaster owed to other interest groups.  The merged technology or Super DAC is a byproduct.


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I just want to add my 2 cents, for the benefit of anybody ever reading this thread.... Now or 3 years from now.

 This tour is one of the most idiotic things, I have  ever seen!

these guys have comp sci and programming chops so I am very happy to see them getting involved with the core devs


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Is the our pool's mining bonus sustainable? How is it paid for


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General Discussion / Question
« on: April 06, 2015, 04:55:06 pm »
The DAC can soak up the world's value via BitAssets. 


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where can i find news about upcoming projects for this coin?

can anyone summarize the projects in the works and where they see this coin by Summer's end?

thanks

What do you mean, "coin"?


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