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Offline oco101

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But please cut back on the Johnny Walker (Black Label, of course) before posting things at High-Octane times.

I love DAs posts, and I agree with him on this one.

But my guess was crystal meth.

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But please cut back on the Johnny Walker (Black Label, of course) before posting things at High-Octane times.

I love DAs posts, and I agree with him on this one.

But my guess was crystal meth.

In and out of rehab as explanation for the long absences?

Excessively long, really thought out though often scattered and disconnected writing.

Long absences go hand in hand with that kinda lifestyle with or without rehab.

Some of the most amazing people I have ever met in my life, were also people who had great internal struggles.  Those who do not give up when faced by such constant stress often are some of the strongest people alive...even when they do not know it. 

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But please cut back on the Johnny Walker (Black Label, of course) before posting things at High-Octane times.

I love DAs posts, and I agree with him on this one.

But my guess was crystal meth.

In and out of rehab as explanation for the long absences?

Excessively long, really thought out though often scattered and disconnected writing.

Long absences go hand in hand with that kinda lifestyle with or without rehab.

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But please cut back on the Johnny Walker (Black Label, of course) before posting things at High-Octane times.

I love DAs posts, and I agree with him on this one.

But my guess was crystal meth.

In and out of rehab as explanation for the long absences?

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But please cut back on the Johnny Walker (Black Label, of course) before posting things at High-Octane times.

I love DAs posts, and I agree with him on this one.

But my guess was crystal meth.

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I am not sure what to say man.  I never "censored" you.  I have literally only deleted one post--ever, and that was because it was a thread I forgot to "Lock" comments on.  Also, I actually ONLY have the ability to delete/modify within the Beyond Bitcoin (BTS) subforum...so you can check with the moderators for this censorship about which you speak..because it certainly did not come from me. 

If your apology is real, I accept it *with a stunned and curious demeanor*.  If it is once again being a smartass...then I'll make it a point to ignore you.. --> this one is learning to pick his battles and conserve his energy for things that MATTER. 

As for "who I am..." it has nothing to do with being a moderator.  It is more about being someone who knows the world he wants to see for his baby and those for whom he has grown to care over the course of his relatively insignificant (up to this point) life.   Your assumptions, once again, should probably be kept secret until you get your head out of your little booty.  As a matter of fact, I never asked for this position...I do it because they asked me if I would like to...and helping a project I believe in is just too tempting walk away from, especially when you realize Bytemaster is the Crypto George Washington... 

BM was beginning to get mucho aggro from "crypto-Journalists" that I saw the blackout/smear campaigns coming from a mile away...and because I knew the community who invested in his absolutely brilliant technical innovations deserved more than just to sit by and hope someone would acknowledge their presence.

I put the server up and started paying for it out of pocket (along with my friendly, "furry" volunteers--who are too good of people to EVER asked for it, btw) for this very reason.  Soon I will be asking the community to support something else I believe in...but it is not yet time (watch for this). 

I am honestly confused by your posts and am glad you have chosen to pop your head up again you little marmot.  But please cut back on the Johnny Walker (Black Label, of course) before posting things at High-Octane times.  Fair?  I think so...and good luck man.  I hope these types of posts help me work on the places and ways I need to grow and you have probably inadvertently helped with that ;)
« Last Edit: October 23, 2014, 04:48:50 am by fuzzy »
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Distributive applications, in fact a more distributive internet is where we are heading. I'm very confident that as long as we all keep an open mind and strive to make progress we will one day see that it was all worth it. I personally still support I3 and this community. My view is that whatever needs to be done in order to move forward should be done.
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DA - really sorry to hear your frustration. Its impressive how much effort you put into destructive remarks. Though letting out anger and getting personal could have a self-calming function medium-term.

Indeed, BM sets high expectations and the results are not set in stone. Targets are moving and previously envisioned path ist almost certain to change... Even ideals are likely to adjust when confronted with real-world hurdles, whereby common sense of leaders and community is expressly desirable at such junctions.

But otherwise investing here wouldn't qualify as risky but promising. By reasonably contributing to any of the projects out there, including BTS, one can make such project just a bit less risky and a bit more promising. So, if you are giving up on BTS - wish you feel better with hard-working and well-intentional NXT semipros or any other project of your choice soon enough!

Edit: Looking at your below post, Decentralised, maybe I overreacted here somewhat - you just seem to be a very sarcastic personality ;). Best of luck with ether then!.
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@fuzz: I agree with you. And not really like DA's post this time .. it's alot of blabla .. how about trying to break things down to the ESSENTIALS? instead of being sarcastic and offensive!
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The winner must post a victory speech there and if there is no dispute within 3 days, then I will automatically send the funds.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10274.msg134671#msg134671
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10290.msg134959

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The winner must post a victory speech there and if there is no dispute within 3 days, then I will automatically send the funds.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10274.msg134671#msg134671
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10290.msg134959

Thanks to my mom who raised me properly to have an open mind. Thanks to my father for never giving up on his ambitions. Thanks to my brother for educating me in the beauty and perils of argumentation. Thanks to BM and Stan for being totally awesome at every turn. Thanks to trading for giving me the ability to see truth through confusing emotions. Thanks for DA for inspiring me to be more creative and daring. Thanks to fuzznuts, xeroc and everyone else who is working hard and inspiring others in this community. Thanks to Toast for being a real world superhero and coping with all the insanity. Finally thanks to my GF who believes in my abilities to know and love deeply.

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This is not an effective means of rallying the troops. 

Correct.

This is not an after school Halloween special either, but a horrific massacre of Ebolic proportions, and it will be on display here all week on BTS-TV (reality programming).  While the greater crypto community preps popcorn, the curtain has risen, and we have no time for practicing our routine (or re-learning our lucrative lesson of quick community consensus resolution).  The time for play was back in in May.  Feel that winter chill, the reaper is sharpening his sickle.

This thread is not intended to reach a consensus over the exact amount of subjective future bitnuggets that you thought that you were going to receive extrapolated back to today's specific percentage allocation decimal pointed figure in order for you to not publicly bitch to the world and drag this whole greedy mess out another 20 minutes at the expense of our communitys' childrens' college funds. 

So basically, when it comes to doing a little math for the benefit of the greater community, you bail, but now that it's time to slice your fraction of the pie, you're f'n Einstein, eh?  Why not take all day professor.  Go ahead, and explain to me how dragging this out another week is going to get lil Janie here into Yale?  Yeah, I know math, you greedy little …......


wtf Decentralized.. I was going to say I was glad to see you back.  But you obviously have no clue who I am.  "Greedy???"  First off--chill out and learn to show a modicum of respect to people who sacrifice for something they believe in (and yes, I know i'm by far not alone in this).  If you only knew man...if you only knew.  While you LEFT us, some of us were actually trying our best to keep this rocking and to give people in this community a voice and a toolset around which they could form the foundation for a network effect to grow.  It is what I know how to do best...and so I DID IT.  Sure it is likely not what your Godly math mind can do...but it was SOMETHING while you sat back on your high hill watching complacently from "above". 

I don't know who you are but coming in here saying this crap to me doesn't help anything. Unless, of course, that is your intention.

Now that I have finished defending myself against your ridiculous and childish attack (on someone who you obviously and ignorantly know nothing about) -- I urge you to go take a look at this thread:  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10247.0  THAT I STARTED and how it is apparently shaping up to be exactly as you would like to see it.  Does this make you happy?  It does me...even if I LOSE out of the deal...because that is for the greater good. 

*trying realllllly hard to be nice*  Ppppeace and Llllove be with you Decentralized....and I sincerely hope you apologize. 
*deep breath* 


Anyone who wants to leave can pick up their personalized DPOS copy at the door, thanks for playing “The Clone Wars,” feel free to start your own team, good luck, I pick BM... next.... 


If it is not apparent by now that I picked BM 1 year ago and still stand as a fucking ROCK today (not ABANDONING the community, mind you), I have no clue what else to say.  I will give up when Bytemaster directly tells me to leave.  If he feels I am a net negative, then I'll gladly leave this project.  Again...I have followed Bytemaster's advice that he gave me a long time ago when I expressed doubt in myself to him---when he said, "JUST ACT".  There is no doubt I have tried to help at times and made it harder on him...I can only hope that my loyalties outweigh those difficulties.

Get off your high horse and do something REAL.  If it helped BM, I'd be behind you...even though you made me want to headbutt you in the nose...
« Last Edit: October 21, 2014, 05:41:50 pm by fuzzy »
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This is not an effective means of rallying the troops so-to-speak. 

We must find another way. 
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While I agree with the OP, I think we kind of already have a consensus. 


I was laughing the whole time though, "freemarket" cannot post links...  :)

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Let us imagine bts with a marketcao that brinsus solidly into 2nd place...

Is it worth it to get off our butts and make it happen? I think yes.

Yes!

2nd place should be a piece of cake, no real competition...
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Unified DACS multiply the value of each user:

10 DACs with n users each would have a combined network effect of 10*(n^2), whereas united would be (10*n)^2

By joining forces, we put up a bigger fight against any competition.
That's why Putin wants the USSR back and the USA absolutely does not.
If someone has a growth spurt before us, we're gonna get slapped.

As (St/D)an have said, marketing is waiting on us to agree and get it over with.
I for one am certainly ready to start seeing results from marketing.


The metamorphosis of PTS:

Stan: The rules are that snapshots give two week's notice.  So if someone decides to do this, you've got several whole days left to make the announcement if you want to hit the Nov 5th anniversary date.

We market it as a 1-year anniversary celebration/evolution/metamorphosis/death.
We will convert the remaining value of PST+AGS to BTSX through dilution.
We announce the death of PTS/AGS and introduce BitSharesNoX.

Perfect grassroots campaign. I can smell the upvotes.

It will be fair but not 100% fair. Who cares. PTS is Chucky Cheese currency.
I'll gladly redeem it for any BTSX, and rid my hands of it once and for all.
And 3i has more skin in the game than any of us.

We have just over 24 hours to take this opportunity. Been looking for a way to get involved?


Let's start moving BTS over to the launch site.

Let us imagine bts with a marketcao that brinsus solidly into 2nd place...

Is it worth it to get off our butts and make it happen? I think yes.
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Step 4: Moon
Objections?
"Mars or even Pluto" [citation:bytemaster]

Fixed:

Step 1: BTS

Step 2: Client

Step 3: Market

Step 4: Moon

Step 5: Mars

Step 6: Pluto

Objections?

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I love that these mysterious characters have been showing up in Decentralized Application's wake....
And whats more, this one 'be spouting mad Truthiness

Must be some troll from competitors

"Mad Truthiness" is slang for "The Truth"
I was agreeing with the premise of the OP- which seems to be a shared opinion with everybody else who has replied to this thread...
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Step 1: BTS

Step 2: Client

Step 3: Market

Step 4: Moon

Objections?

No objections, but implementation?  (How the heck do we do it?)

BM & Friends.

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Step 1: BTS

Step 2: Client

Step 3: Market

Step 4: Moon

Objections?

No objections, but implementation?  (How the heck do we do it?)

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Step 1: BTS

Step 2: Client

Step 3: Market

Step 4: Moon

Objections?

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I love that these mysterious characters have been showing up in Decentralized Application's wake....
And whats more, this one 'be spouting mad Truthiness

Must be some troll from competitors
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Unified DACS multiply the value of each user:

10 DACs with n users each would have a combined network effect of 10*(n^2), whereas united would be (10*n)^2

By joining forces, we put up a bigger fight against any competition.
That's why Putin wants the USSR back and the USA absolutely does not.
If someone has a growth spurt before us, we're gonna get slapped.

As (St/D)an have said, marketing is waiting on us to agree and get it over with.
I for one am certainly ready to start seeing results from marketing.


The metamorphosis of PTS:

Stan: The rules are that snapshots give two week's notice.  So if someone decides to do this, you've got several whole days left to make the announcement if you want to hit the Nov 5th anniversary date.

We market it as a 1-year anniversary celebration/evolution/metamorphosis/death.
We will convert the remaining value of PST+AGS to BTSX through dilution.
We announce the death of PTS/AGS and introduce BitSharesNoX.

Perfect grassroots campaign. I can smell the upvotes.

It will be fair but not 100% fair. Who cares. PTS is Chucky Cheese currency.
I'll gladly redeem it for any BTSX, and rid my hands of it once and for all.
And 3i has more skin in the game than any of us.

We have just over 24 hours to take this opportunity. Been looking for a way to get involved?


Let's start moving BTS over to the launch site.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 06:43:18 pm by roadkill »
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Can I sell my vote to Bytemaster or do we have to do it the hard way?
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I love that these mysterious characters have been showing up in Decentralized Application's wake....
And whats more, this one 'be spouting mad Truthiness
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Coming to a theater this Halloween:

Starring Daniel Larimer as “the Bytemaster:”

THE MERGER...

focus on building everything into BTS until such a time that someone wants to clone BTS and focus on a smaller demographic and "specialize"... (and then, at that point, we divide and conquer, from the position of highest possible DPOS market cap leader)(position yourself for battle before you fight it since nobody is fighting us with DPOS yet)

If you are investing in BTSX technology because of BitAssets and what that enables.... the value is in the BitAssets which appear to be working...  then this proposal is really about preventing the dilution of BitAssets on 20 different DACs leading to user confusion (my next 20 projects).   


TL/DR: Become the biggest DPOS until a real competitor emerges.  A real competitor is any coin that forks DPOS (because the only thing that we all can seem to agree upon 100% in unison here is that DPOS beats POW, so lets start our consensus journey from that common unanimous agreement), because until Google clones DPOS, and launches “GOG the destroyer of BTSX,” (PeerPonziD is not a true competitor) then Bytemaster's next coin will be competing directly with BTSX for venture capitalist attention.  And although Dan has yet to reach La Mancha, he is making his second attempt with the acquired wisdom from all his previous DPOS launches; and in a vehicle that looks nearly identical to BTSX, because, IT IS A CLONE.  And what are the mathematical odds that Michaelangelo fails to learn from his mistakes?

Know this:  Dan will try his absolute hardest to create a better DAC the second time around (the same way he tried to create the best DAC the first time around). 

Ah, ha.  There it is..realization....The MERGER...What will they say? ….. Tune in this fall...Or next week depending on when the BitShares community wants to see their share price stabilize and rise.  The BitShares community gets to choose their market cap, lets see what they choose for themselves and their families...

“What is the value for eliminating confusion in this space? (when big time marketers are holding back their collaborative efforts and funding unless we merge into or generate a consistent and simple vision)” -BM (TL/DR of mumbleserversession)

And if we cannot merge into a cohesive, simple, CENTRAL vision, then BM will have no choice but to flatter the Winklevii with his next project, the new and improved DPOS that will have a better chance to beat Bitcoin. 

It's that simple.  Currently, all BitShares affiliated coins are falling in value until this community reaches a simple consensus (no matter what it is).  I am neutral, and will happily agree with any consensus. 

Disclosure: I read the “BitShares Book of How to Get Rich in 10 Easy Steps (starting with step 1: solve the problem of coming to a consensus) (quickly, as if your kids' college fund depended on it)”:

bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4146.0

Now, young Jedi be glad that you diligently studied, practiced, and honed your survival skills by learning how to quickly and efficiently come to a community consensus because now the value of this knowledge is imminently apparent, as your competitors (the free market of nature) swarm you, sucking the money out of your market caps.  As you slowly gain focus of the bigger picture, your vision now encompasses the future.  Be glad that you acquired this wisdom back in April, when your market cap was not plunging simply due to your lack of ability to draw your community into a democratic consensus.  Tell your children with pride how you sacrificed alongside Dan while working for a positive BitShares future.  Dan was too busy developing DPOS so you helped develop the:

BITSHRES COMMUNITY QUICK CONSENSUS DERIVATION PROCESS

which ended up saving the company millions in market cap due to it's ability to achieve community consensus in the blink of an eye.

Oops, we were too busy (fill in the blank) to build any consensus derivation tools.

But don't worry, because, Dan is launching a new DAC that solves this problem that we couldn't.

And how much money is this solution worth.


Lets see, Satoshi solved the Byzantine Generals Problem, and that was worth.....

Bytemaster validated the Nash Equilibrium, and then solved this problem of consensus..

All you have to do is agree on how to slice the pie before Google snatches it away.

Wait too long, and you don't get as much.

Don't worry, though, Bitcoin will experience the same problem, and they all know it.  The dreaded community civil war over a hard fork will drop their market cap too some day.  That is why BitSharesVOTE (BTV) beats BTC and BTSX.

coindesk.com/gavin-andresen-bitcoin-hard-fork/

BitSharesVOTE is Dan doing for you now what you should have done for us then:

Step 1: solve (the) problem of coming to a consensus:

The fastest way for our community to reach a consensus....

List your personal favorite proposal at the end of your post so that we can see who is thinking what. It will greatly improve our communication as a group, and assist us on reaching our goal of gaining a unifying social consensus on a single concept.

That way everyone else can choose to either accept or reject individual ideas line by line.  Bite sized progress.  The entrepreneurs who are on the fence trying to decide weather or not they want to honor PTS/AGS holders will be able to see how quickly your personal rule set changes relative to that of the Bitshares community.  We want to show entrepreneurs that we are learning, and adapting quickly.  This will allow consensus to be reached in the shortest amount of time.

it is my job to actually read his post and change my proposal to reflect the consensus.  I will provide effort to better the group, and if everyone provides the same effort, then we will reach a consensus in record time.  if bytemaster comes over here, and he is proposing 3% instead of my 4% proposal, then I will change mine to reflect his because we all know that his ideas hold more consensus pooling power.  Again, if I see that my numbers can be slightly adjusted to match the social consensus, then I will change mine to become one with the group.  Maybe we will see that we all are pretty much in consensus currently?

Let's show off our collaboration skills by treating this obstacle like an exercise that will make us a more useful community (a toolkit for inventors).

If everyone knows exactly what everyone else is thinking, then we reach a consensus sooner.  Then DA devs will flock here and honor your PTS/AGS.

Act like you want and deserve to get paid, and you just might.

Stay on track in this thread and steps 2-10 will be revealed later

How long will you wait?

How much time and money will you freely give to your competitors?

How much pain will you choose to inflict on yourself, your friends, and your family?

Do pay for gridlock or open your wallet to the abundance of a universe whose capacity is unimaginable?

youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJoMuuE3Eg

I choose zero seconds, what say you?

Why do you choose to have nightmares?   Consciousness is deeper than our thinking mind can directly control.   

It takes time to recondition our thoughts on all levels. 

But I can say that I have seen smaller changes happen and we are on the verge of making huge breakthroughs on free energy and free markets.   Why?  Because I changed my view on the world from one where I was going to survive mad max as a farmer to one where wealth was abundant about 3 months prior to starting bitshares.   

Had i held to prior beliefs the world would have gone a different direction.

The choice is yours:  Fear or Love:

youtube.com/watch?v=YoB8t0B4jx4

If we don't merge BTSX and VOTE, don't you think that our competitors will?

Then good luck competing with the Voltron that we made but are fighting it with only 5 lions:

rufiojones.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/voltron1.jpg

Do you see the inevitability of the evolution of the merger?

It will happen eventually, with or without you.

So what will you take for it?

Or will you give it away?


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