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Quote from: iHashFury on November 18, 2016, 10:08:32 amI believe it would be beneficial to see a BitShares dynamic transparency page with listings similar to:https://uphold.com/en/transparencyThis page could list smartcoins and also UIAs of bridges and gateways.Shareholders would then know that their assets are backed by transparent and accountable financial services (no fractional reserves).That is a very good idea. I like their breakdown of their reserves. Do you have a suggestion how we can arrange the data fields? at the end, we would need a simple mockup for the devs. I meet with the design team on Tuesday and we discussed the subside design for the site. Each of the three categories will look similar but store different information. We have a) Private users b) Business c) Developers and maybe d) Blockchain geeks (talking about DAC,DAO etc.)
I believe it would be beneficial to see a BitShares dynamic transparency page with listings similar to:https://uphold.com/en/transparencyThis page could list smartcoins and also UIAs of bridges and gateways.Shareholders would then know that their assets are backed by transparent and accountable financial services (no fractional reserves).
Please FIRST clarify with the owner of bitshares.org if they agree with a redesign and you proposal .. otherwise, the BTS shareholders are burning funds with no statement from the current owner of the domain!!
Hey guys,it has been a while and I have been busy with all the BlockPay development. In the meantime, I worked together with the design team of myfable and we worked out the following new design mockup for bitshares.orgWhat do you think about the design?The next step now is to get a second design for one of the subsides for Private Consumers and Business Clients. I will also get a dev bid for all of you and see how much it would cost to develop the site in a short time. cheers Chris
I'll be voting to support this worker proposal, can't wait for the bitshares website to be redesigned
I like the idea of new info graphics and howtos etc. and I think you should get paid for this. But for bitshares.org I'd rather like to see a more static website with timeless design and no maintenance needed. Like bitcoin.org IMHO
Quote from: Akado on July 13, 2016, 12:07:12 amI think a better option would be https://99designs.co.uk/ You set a budget and make a contest. Digix did the same for their current website https://www.dgx.io/A bunch of designers create the mock ups then the community votes for the best one. This way you can probably get the most out of any budget is approved for this Competitive and cost effective, I like it. No sense in paying too much and having to select a winner from the get-go. Let the Designers compete for the money. You guys know I am a big fan of such methods. The hungry will do a better job, for less money and in less time, 90% of the time.
I think a better option would be https://99designs.co.uk/ You set a budget and make a contest. Digix did the same for their current website https://www.dgx.io/A bunch of designers create the mock ups then the community votes for the best one. This way you can probably get the most out of any budget is approved for this
You are missing the point.Anyway, we both express our opinion on that matter, we should stop the argumentation before it becomes completely out of subject and unproductive. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
I think you miss the point. I don't think we need a new web site that looks better. We just need to explain better what BitShares can do the regular guys, the trader, the small and big entrepeneurs, ... That would one part of the change apply to it, the other part would be to show the projects already running on BitShares and feed the news in the ecosystem there. People visiting BitShares could see, in one place, what is Bitshares, what is build on it, what you can do with it, what is happenning and what would probably happen soon.I don't mean to be aggressive toward you but this is the same kind of conversation we had with the China anti dilution movement. People gave good arguments toward new evolutions of BitShares (worker through dilution) and you seem to try to counter argue with any argument you can find, even if it doesn't fit the debate. Chris explained he doesn't want a new image of BitShares, he just want more and easier to understand information and use cases, which is, IMO, a very good thing. You come here and basically say "a prettier web site doesn't solve anything", you are right, but it's not the debate at all ! Do you even listen what Cris said during the hangout ? Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
Quote from: btswildpig on July 17, 2016, 05:25:10 amQuote from: EstefanTT on July 16, 2016, 03:19:34 pmI recommand to everyone to listen the hangout. Chris explain why the new website. It starts at the 20th minuts. Looks like a no brainer when you listen to him. The money spend in the new website is nothing compare to what it can brings. Just one guy visiting the website and having the idea of creating a smartcoin that bring 100 ppl with only 50$. These ppl buying in bts to reach the smartcoin and that's it, we have a positiv ROI. Even if you have only 1 more % visitor digging in BTS instead of leaving (much of bitcoiner and steemer are probably doing that right now) would be worth it. Within the corse of the next year is a lot a ppl, that would speak to other ppl and so on. Only one of them beeing a small whale and boum ! We gain 5 stable % of MC and everybody wins. Network effect is very important in cryptos. Right now our shop window is displaying the blueprint of BitShares, is way too technical to grap the attention of small entrepeneurs and general public. To make a simple analogy, Tesla is not selling its cars with a photo of the interior of the electric motor and technical specs of the diferents parts of the car. They sell a very nice, low cost, fast electric car. If you want the specs, you dig ... Why ? Because you represent 5% of the visitors of the website. Don't invest anything in BTS and hope it will take off is not the way to go. There is two way this experiment can go. 1) we invest in every positive feature BTS can implement, we may lose a few % of MC now but when it takes off, we will be one the giant crypto projects in the future (every body here probably very rich). If it never takes off, it won't matter to have lost a few % at the begenning anyway. (No brainer)2) we don't invest anything, we cross our fingers and wait. If it takes off that way, it won't matter to have lost a few % at the beginning because we will all made a big return on our investment BUT with no develoment we will be a the verge of beeing overtake by the tech, investors will run away considering their ROI and the danger of competition and the MC will fall back quickly. If we don't invest anything and it never takes off, it won't matter to have kept a few % of MC at the beginning by no diluting because the BTS won't be worth anything anyway.I don't see any other possible evolution. When considering that, why not chose the only reasonable way ? Let's start by upvoting the web site worker Sent from my SM-G900F using TapatalkSound like the same reason every time the website has reinvented again and again .Well ... this is called evolution, you analyse what is wrong, what can be better and you make the change. If not, you disappear ... Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
Quote from: EstefanTT on July 16, 2016, 03:19:34 pmI recommand to everyone to listen the hangout. Chris explain why the new website. It starts at the 20th minuts. Looks like a no brainer when you listen to him. The money spend in the new website is nothing compare to what it can brings. Just one guy visiting the website and having the idea of creating a smartcoin that bring 100 ppl with only 50$. These ppl buying in bts to reach the smartcoin and that's it, we have a positiv ROI. Even if you have only 1 more % visitor digging in BTS instead of leaving (much of bitcoiner and steemer are probably doing that right now) would be worth it. Within the corse of the next year is a lot a ppl, that would speak to other ppl and so on. Only one of them beeing a small whale and boum ! We gain 5 stable % of MC and everybody wins. Network effect is very important in cryptos. Right now our shop window is displaying the blueprint of BitShares, is way too technical to grap the attention of small entrepeneurs and general public. To make a simple analogy, Tesla is not selling its cars with a photo of the interior of the electric motor and technical specs of the diferents parts of the car. They sell a very nice, low cost, fast electric car. If you want the specs, you dig ... Why ? Because you represent 5% of the visitors of the website. Don't invest anything in BTS and hope it will take off is not the way to go. There is two way this experiment can go. 1) we invest in every positive feature BTS can implement, we may lose a few % of MC now but when it takes off, we will be one the giant crypto projects in the future (every body here probably very rich). If it never takes off, it won't matter to have lost a few % at the begenning anyway. (No brainer)2) we don't invest anything, we cross our fingers and wait. If it takes off that way, it won't matter to have lost a few % at the beginning because we will all made a big return on our investment BUT with no develoment we will be a the verge of beeing overtake by the tech, investors will run away considering their ROI and the danger of competition and the MC will fall back quickly. If we don't invest anything and it never takes off, it won't matter to have kept a few % of MC at the beginning by no diluting because the BTS won't be worth anything anyway.I don't see any other possible evolution. When considering that, why not chose the only reasonable way ? Let's start by upvoting the web site worker Sent from my SM-G900F using TapatalkSound like the same reason every time the website has reinvented again and again .
I recommand to everyone to listen the hangout. Chris explain why the new website. It starts at the 20th minuts. Looks like a no brainer when you listen to him. The money spend in the new website is nothing compare to what it can brings. Just one guy visiting the website and having the idea of creating a smartcoin that bring 100 ppl with only 50$. These ppl buying in bts to reach the smartcoin and that's it, we have a positiv ROI. Even if you have only 1 more % visitor digging in BTS instead of leaving (much of bitcoiner and steemer are probably doing that right now) would be worth it. Within the corse of the next year is a lot a ppl, that would speak to other ppl and so on. Only one of them beeing a small whale and boum ! We gain 5 stable % of MC and everybody wins. Network effect is very important in cryptos. Right now our shop window is displaying the blueprint of BitShares, is way too technical to grap the attention of small entrepeneurs and general public. To make a simple analogy, Tesla is not selling its cars with a photo of the interior of the electric motor and technical specs of the diferents parts of the car. They sell a very nice, low cost, fast electric car. If you want the specs, you dig ... Why ? Because you represent 5% of the visitors of the website. Don't invest anything in BTS and hope it will take off is not the way to go. There is two way this experiment can go. 1) we invest in every positive feature BTS can implement, we may lose a few % of MC now but when it takes off, we will be one the giant crypto projects in the future (every body here probably very rich). If it never takes off, it won't matter to have lost a few % at the begenning anyway. (No brainer)2) we don't invest anything, we cross our fingers and wait. If it takes off that way, it won't matter to have lost a few % at the beginning because we will all made a big return on our investment BUT with no develoment we will be a the verge of beeing overtake by the tech, investors will run away considering their ROI and the danger of competition and the MC will fall back quickly. If we don't invest anything and it never takes off, it won't matter to have kept a few % of MC at the beginning by no diluting because the BTS won't be worth anything anyway.I don't see any other possible evolution. When considering that, why not chose the only reasonable way ? Let's start by upvoting the web site worker Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
I have voted to support the first budget, and to assess whether the results will support the next budget.To reiterate my position: the less budget, the easier it is to get my vote.
The budget is not for website , is for mockup. Quote from: btswildpig on July 16, 2016, 12:40:40 amto my knowledge , the budget is very cheap for a website .However, this is the budget for the same website that has cost tons of budget that i can't count from the brian page era and has changed multiple times , each time people says good good good .I don't know what is wrong with this website , really . Sooner or later this website would cost more than 0.5% of the total supply of current circulating BitShares . (maybe already have)
to my knowledge , the budget is very cheap for a website .However, this is the budget for the same website that has cost tons of budget that i can't count from the brian page era and has changed multiple times , each time people says good good good .I don't know what is wrong with this website , really . Sooner or later this website would cost more than 0.5% of the total supply of current circulating BitShares . (maybe already have)
Is the plan to have the site designed to just be HTML or have some kind of content management under it... like Wordpress for example?
While listening on Mumble today I made a suggestion in the chat.I suggested that a well drawn out plan regarding the site be done up and posted on Steemit.. prior to posting make sure to garner support for it.. and then post it on steemit and allow everyone who supports it to upvote it. There are daily posts that are earning upwards of $1300 instantly in a day.This is a different type of worker proposal system really. The arrangement clearly would be a promise from you that you would use the funds to pay for the redesign, much how you are promising to get the redesign done via this Worker proposal.I am beginning to lean more towards taking the Steemit route.
I think a better option would be https://99designs.co.uk/You set a budget and make a contest. Digix did the same for their current website https://www.dgx.io/A bunch of designers create the mock ups then the community votes for the best one. This way you can probably get the most out of any budget is approved for this
Quote from: Brekyrself on July 13, 2016, 12:26:43 amNice idea and timing. With steem gaining traction, it should point new users to the bitshares website.But then they download client or go to openledger and what they see is shitty, laggy chart that doesn't show what you want when clicking period and candlesticks buttons. If we must dilute to attract users better focus at trading experience.
Nice idea and timing. With steem gaining traction, it should point new users to the bitshares website.
svk is already aware about that and i think everyone who actually using DEX is. If you read his latest worker proposal:QuoteSome specific things that I would like to implement in the short-term are:Replace Highstock charts with react-stockchart (http://rrag.github.io/stockcharts-demo/)https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22612.0.htmlMaybe bitshares could pay him more or hire someone with skills to help?I think money should go to improve trading experience and accelerate GUI improvement.Couple days ago i was witnessing trollbox user biasing at some buttons (not specified, but i think chart buttons), he was angry and said he'll be back in 3 months to check again.How many potential users we're loosing daily because something not work as should?I know marketing is important, but when you have unfinished product...Many things is much better. Last GUI relase was more than i could dream (very nice work), but chart is still shitty
Some specific things that I would like to implement in the short-term are:Replace Highstock charts with react-stockchart (http://rrag.github.io/stockcharts-demo/)
I'm very please you could find the time to go forward with this Chris I think it's much more important for our image, reputation and MC that some ppl realize.This "dilution" (ridicously low), IMO, has a huge ROI ! A better website is crucial to attract new people curious about cyptocurrencies and entrepreneurs. Right now, the website only give information for ppl that already have a deep understanding of BC tech.Come on everyone, let's vote this. It doesn't cost much and will certainly have a very positif effect on all the new visitors we'll have in the future ! Right now, if I was checking some cryptocurrencies projects to create my portfolio and look at bts.org. I would have the feeling that it's an overly complicated project that seems dead ... no investment.