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Offline binggo

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I think the CEX can set the proxy to a multi-signature account which was controlled by all the committees.

this maybe make the voting power go to banlance again.

how about that?

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I will also add that i agree with steffan that getting centralised exchanges involved is not a good idea.

We have big whale voters in bitshares, often many of us disagree with them. I have disagreed many times with bitcrab and alt on various things but understand it is just a difference in opinion and that both want bitshares to succeed.

We are often more vocal on things we disagree with than things we agree with but we are one community, we should keep voting in the community and not include CEX, they do not have our best interest at heart.

We need a more competitive platform for proxies, the answer is to get more community involved in actively voting.





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There should be a collective push from all sides of community to create a decent platform for people to promote themselves as proxies. A social media style website with proxy profiles and easy voting, perhaps with Beet used so a click on the website alters the blockchain.

Working on this for committee and I believe stefan is working on it for workers.

And I agree...it would be huge for involvement

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There should be a collective push from all sides of community to create a decent platform for people to promote themselves as proxies. A social media style website with proxy profiles and easy voting, perhaps with Beet used so a click on the website alters the blockchain.

Some kind of incentive should also be considered to get more people to become proxies where you benefit from gaining proxy votes and loose benefits for losing weight for example.

There is a lot of BTS in circulation that is not voting, we need to incentevise voting.

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I agree with Stefan on this.

We don't wanna open that box.

CEXs do not have BitShares best interest at heart (they are competitors after all)
They do not follow our governance and have no idea what is going on in the ecosystem

Thus  their voting would be totally biased and uninformed.

Then you say that "Don't worry, I'll tell them what to vote". How is that different than them setting you as proxy and being back at square one regarding centralisation of voting?

And that's not an attack at yourself. I trust your intentions regarding the wellbeing of BTS greatly. Still, it just promotes further centralisation.

I'd rather have us all work towards getting more people involved and voting instead to fix this.

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because what I care most is how to get things done, how to push BTS' evolution.

You are aware that it was your past actions (to get things done your way) which created the whale bhaozi and made tons of people leave bitshares?



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I'd also prefer to have *more* proxies with medium voting power than fewer ones with huge voting power.

Would it even be possible ?Alt could split his voting power to diffrent accounts or even diffrent people supporting his views and they would instantly get top proxies.


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and top CEXs own comparative voting power,
I guess you haven't thought what you would open here.
TOP CEX's are going to rape bitshares at any possible way just to make quick profit and they don't do small rape profit.
sschiessl named it the right way opening the pandora box.

if you think MCR reduction will also bring disaster to BTS, you can try your best to lobby proxies to vote against it, no problem.

if CEX can rape bitshares if they want, then BTS does not worth existing in this world.

sooner or later, CEXs will enter the BTS governance ecosystem, now we need them, just let them in now.
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You are aware that it was your past actions (to get things done your way) which created the whale bhaozi and made tons of people leave bitshares?
yes, it's BSIP18 and BSIP42 make me the whales.
And I have warnning many times, these two changes are totally unreasonable.
I close BTSBots because of BSIP18 which make SILVER's price 3 times.
I got many profit from these two BSIP just prove the system mistake.
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Would it even be possible ?Alt could split his voting power to diffrent accounts or even diffrent people supporting his views and they would instantly get top proxies.
In fact I have wait a long time to give part of my vote power to another one who is trusted, but I can't find it from the top proxy currently.
If you are interesting to be the proxy, give me the account name, I'm glad to set you as my proxy.
Please……

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You are aware that it was your past actions (to get things done your way) which created the whale bhaozi and made tons of people leave bitshares?
yes, it's BSIP18 and BSIP42 make me the whales.
And I have warnning many times, these two changes are totally unreasonable.
I close BTSBots because of BSIP18 which make SILVER's price 3 times.
I got many profit from these two BSIP just prove the system mistake.
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Would it even be possible ?Alt could split his voting power to diffrent accounts or even diffrent people supporting his views and they would instantly get top proxies.
In fact I have wait a long time to give part of my vote power to another one who is trusted, but I can't find it from the top proxy currently.
If you are interesting to be the proxy, give me the account name, I'm glad to set you as my proxy.

Bitcrab's motivation is good. You should work with Bitcrab to promote the evolution of bts.

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You are aware that it was your past actions (to get things done your way) which created the whale bhaozi and made tons of people leave bitshares?
yes, it's BSIP18 and BSIP42 make me the whales.
And I have warnning many times, these two changes are totally unreasonable.
I close BTSBots because of BSIP18 which make SILVER's price 3 times.
I got many profit from these two BSIP just prove the system mistake.
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Would it even be possible ?Alt could split his voting power to diffrent accounts or even diffrent people supporting his views and they would instantly get top proxies.
In fact I have wait a long time to give part of my vote power to another one who is trusted, but I can't find it from the top proxy currently.
If you are interesting to be the proxy, give me the account name, I'm glad to set you as my proxy.

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Would alt be voting in your favour i highly doubt you would open that thread.

right, if alt voting in MCR change I will not open this thread.

because what I care most is how to get things done, how to push BTS' evolution.
Touched me……

Offline binggo

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It is always bad that one single person control too much BTS, either the person is alt or me. as in a DPoS blockchain tokens means voting power.
If you need more voting power get more people activ.

I remember questioning over a year ago your centralised power and your answer was very clear to me.Get more BTS or holders supporting you (and noone disagreed with that).

I understand some people are unhappy with the 400k refund fund but thats not a reason to create a new voting system just because someone isn't voting in your favour (like reduce of MCR for bitcny).

Would alt be voting in your favour i highly doubt you would open that thread.
Also opening that thread where you lost that "centralised" power instead of opening when you had it gives it instantly a bad touch.

what's now? so?

The voting power is almost in the CEX, so how you can get the people back to DEX? or you have a better way which can push something forward, please give your solution.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2019, 07:58:12 am by binggo »

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because what I care most is how to get things done, how to push BTS' evolution.

You are aware that it was your past actions (to get things done your way) which created the whale bhaozi and made tons of people leave bitshares?



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I'd also prefer to have *more* proxies with medium voting power than fewer ones with huge voting power.

Would it even be possible ?Alt could split his voting power to diffrent accounts or even diffrent people supporting his views and they would instantly get top proxies.


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and top CEXs own comparative voting power,
I guess you haven't thought what you would open here.
TOP CEX's are going to rape bitshares at any possible way just to make quick profit and they don't do small rape profit.
sschiessl named it the right way opening the pandora box.


« Last Edit: April 03, 2019, 07:54:37 am by Thul3 »

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I don't think that pandora's box should be opened.

First question that comes to mind:
 - who educates the CEX in the governance of the bitshares blockchain
 - who educates the CEX in the proposals which might be very technical?
 - who will be lobbying in terms of what to vote for and what not?

not a problem, I can do that for the CEXs in China, including but not limited to binance, huobi, ZB.
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I'd also prefer to have *more* proxies with medium voting power than fewer ones with huge voting power.

agree, but when there is whale proxy we have to cope with it. otherwise the evolution of BTS will stop.
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Would alt be voting in your favour i highly doubt you would open that thread.

right, if alt voting in MCR change I will not open this thread.

because what I care most is how to get things done, how to push BTS' evolution.
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