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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2014, 01:29:47 am »
Assuming $4/BTSX in a span of 1-1.5years, this delegate (singular) has made ~300*4= $1200 for a day. During time when there is NO actual trading (expect 5 to 5000 fold increase with trading).

 And he is doing what exactly ????

318   clout-delegate2                 3.9160652063 % 99       9        91.67 %       100 %    62.59274 BTSX       15281     
317   clout-delegate1                 3.9160650623 % 95       11       89.62 %       100 %    59.71459 BTSX       15260     
321   clout-delegate4                 3.9160650243 % 99       12       89.19 %       100 %    58.95391 BTSX       15334     
320   clout-delegate5                 3.9160650090 % 96       15       86.49 %       100 %    58.64804 BTSX       15287     
319   clout-delegate3                 3.9160647706 % 88       17       83.81 %       100 %    53.88070 BTSX       15253     



*No offence clout I am all for taking advantage of the opportunities when they present themselves.

Is that saying he made ~58 BTS per block? How many transactions?

Have you heard about the humongous asset registration fees currently at 148,446.95040 BTSX.

You thought they go to shareholders right? No no no they go to DELEGATES!

Dude... every single fee in the system "goes to delegates!!1", which can choose to burn them. Shareholders elect delegates that burn the proportion they want.

Dude... you are smart enough to know this is stupid stupid stupid !

And tell me what is the current burn rate 1%, hardly?????

So that means the shareholders prefer delegates that keep the money for themselves, at least this early on when there is no competition...
If the 3% of voting stake wanted delegates that burned all the fees, then they could make delegates that burn all the fees and vote them in.

"Paying to delegates" is the same as "pay rate upper bound". What shall we fix it at, 80% 50%?

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And the interface (as is now) encourages greedy delegates. Example – you have to go to the console to find actual fees for each delegate. So the lazy voters – read 75% of all voters – will just check the GUI data provided and eventually vote…

??? You can see their pay rate on the GUI, 5th column, literally right next to the approve button...
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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2014, 01:35:08 am »
??? You can see their pay rate on the GUI, 5th column, literally right next to the approve button...

I cannot! As I am saying from last night!

For me they go:
NAME   APPROVAL   RELIABILITY   BLOCKS PRODUCED   APPROVE

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2014, 01:39:27 am »
??? You can see their pay rate on the GUI, 5th column, literally right next to the approve button...

I cannot! As I am saying from last night!

For me they go:
NAME   APPROVAL   RELIABILITY   BLOCKS PRODUCED   APPROVE

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2014, 01:39:34 am »
??? You can see their pay rate on the GUI, 5th column, literally right next to the approve button...

I cannot! As I am saying from last night!

For me they go:
NAME   APPROVAL   RELIABILITY   BLOCKS PRODUCED   APPROVE


What version of the client are you on?  I see the following in the gui and CLI:


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ID    NAME (* next in line)           APPROVAL       PRODUCED MISSED   RELIABILITY   PAY RATE PAY BALANCE         LAST BLOCK
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266   testz                           4.1826375369 % 128      19       87.07 %       100 %    65.17789 BTSX       15875
313   jabbajabba                      3.9854911852 % 98       5        95.15 %       50 %     29.87895 BTSX       15835
318   clout-delegate2                 3.9160642987 % 104      9        92.04 %       100 %    68.73253 BTSX       15815
320   clout-delegate5                 3.9160641627 % 102      15       87.18 %       100 %    66.01369 BTSX       15861
317   clout-delegate1                 3.9160641548 % 100      11       90.09 %       100 %    65.85485 BTSX       15824
321   clout-delegate4                 3.9160641166 % 104      12       89.66 %       100 %    65.09197 BTSX       15848
319   clout-delegate3                 3.9160639858 % 95       17       84.82 %       100 %    62.47622 BTSX       15890
307   daslab                          3.9030978905 % 136      25       84.47 %       100 %    64.63434 BTSX       15857
299   bitsuperlab                     3.9030477969 % 156      5        96.89 %       100 %    63.73583 BTSX       15792
28    init27                          3.8980479130 % 172      0        100.00 %      100 %    73.27050 BTSX       15845
27    init26                          3.8980478635 % 165      0        100.00 %      100 %    72.28016 BTSX       15884
40    init39                          3.8980478622 % 167      1        99.40 %       100 %    72.25481 BTSX       15870
95    init94                          3.8980478610 % 167      0        100.00 %      100 %    72.23095 BTSX       15788
49    init48                          3.8980478466 % 168      0        100.00 %      100 %    71.94331 BTSX       15766
87    init86                          3.8980478456 % 171      2        98.84 %       100 %    71.92200 BTSX       15866
42    init41                          3.8980478335 % 165      1        99.40 %       100 %    71.68102 BTSX       15854
64    init63                          3.8980478325 % 167      0        100.00 %      100 %    71.66141 BTSX       15807
45    init44                          3.8980478087 % 163      0        100.00 %      100 %    71.18498 BTSX       15832
22    init21                          3.8980478004 % 167      0        100.00 %      100 %    71.01892 BTSX       15874



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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2014, 01:42:50 am »
0.2.0.... of course the client does not have 'help' button...

... yes installed from 'BitSharesX-0.2.0.exe'

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2014, 01:55:23 am »
Newbie question - how do you guys take those snapshots of your screens?

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2014, 01:58:39 am »
Newbie question - how do you guys take those snapshots of your screens?


I use Snipping Tool in Windows, then go to http://imgur.com/ and click the "Upload image" button then cntr-v, upload button, then click on the picture after it loads to see the full size and then right-click copy image url and then use the image button on the forum.


Example from my last post: http://imgur.com/FVSKxKi

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2014, 02:04:08 am »
Newbie question - how do you guys take those snapshots of your screens?


In Windows 7 hit the winKey and S and it activates the snipping tool. Then just save it and upload to imgur.com. You don't even need an account or to be logged into imgur and it gives you all the links on the right side.

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2014, 02:10:52 am »
Thank you both.


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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2014, 02:11:48 am »
Newbie question - how do you guys take those snapshots of your screens?


In Windows 7 hit the winKey and S and it activates the snipping tool. Then just save it and upload to imgur.com. You don't even need an account or to be logged into imgur and it gives you all the links on the right side.


Actually once you snip it you can just cntr-v it into imgur.  No need to save :).

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2014, 02:12:48 am »
Thank you both.



WTF?  How is that possible?  Did you build from source or use the .exe?

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2014, 02:21:11 am »
yeeh right... I think I can theoretically find a compiler (if they are still called compilers), learn to use it and build it myself... but the last time I did so was 10 years ago... As you see I did not know I had such a cool ‘snappy tool’ on my laptop... so I just clicked on the exe....


[edit] Please do not tell me they are no longer called ‘compilers’ and/or they come free and easy with my windows…
« Last Edit: July 21, 2014, 02:27:52 am by Simeon II »

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2014, 02:23:02 am »



May be worth copying out your %AppData%\Bitshares X\wallets directory and re-installing the client.  Version 2.1 is out now....

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2014, 02:28:45 am »
May be worth copying out your %AppData%\Bitshares X\wallets directory and re-installing the client.  Version 2.1 is out now....

The whole directory or just the wallet file?

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Re: Breaking down voting
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2014, 02:32:32 am »
May be worth copying out your %AppData%\Bitshares X\wallets directory and re-installing the client.  Version 2.1 is out now....

The whole directory or just the wallet file?


I'd do the whole "wallets" directory.  I only say that because I'm not sure of the architecture.  There doesn't seem to be a wallets.dat type single file.  Check out this thread: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5874.msg79054#msg79054  BM seems to agree with this method.