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General Discussion / Re: GET YOUR BTS XT Wallet Here!
« on: March 01, 2014, 04:42:27 pm »
I can be quite quick to criticise, but in this case, all of this was clearly laid out and Bitshares  + Bytemaster is the most exciting thing I've seen in a looong time.

My only regret is that I didn't buy more Bitshares via AGS/PTS, would be nice if there was a market to buy more if this interim period ends up lasting longer than a month.

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General Discussion / Re: BitGold and gold in general side discussion...
« on: February 28, 2014, 08:12:15 pm »
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3) Bitcoin is not deflationary, it is 12% inflationary when viewed entirely from the monetary definition of inflation.  The fact that demand is growing faster than supply masks the consequences of inflation (rising prices).   On these forums lets stick with monetary inflation.   
   

Yes you're right, I'll stick to monetary inflation from now on.
(I was yes, referring to the fact that demand would likely grow faster than supply, similarly even gold is slightly inflationary in the sense that new supply is extracted each year.)

On a side note, I'm also a big fan of POS over POW as POW leeches value via inflation from users and gives it to a small group of hashers. I  know the original intention was to incentivise them to decentralise the network but because they point their hashing power to large pools they don't even really do that. 


The reason for using BitGold, BitUSD, and BitBTC is because they represent the 3 primary categories of currency.  Of the three I suspect only one of them will have value lasting longer than BitShares X itself.... BitGold.    BitUSD will hyper-inflate and BitBTC will fall due to increasing competition from BitAssets which have greater price stability.   
   

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General Discussion / BitGold and gold in general side discussion...
« on: February 28, 2014, 04:03:23 pm »
I mentioned adding gold in the Bitshares update thread and suddenly had a few guys jumping in trying to claim that gold has about as much value as fiat currency  :o Or that it was immoral as it could be hoarded  :o

Anyway rather than derail the important BitsharesX update thread I thought I'd move the discussion over here.

The last response was this one...


Personally, I don't know why gold is relevant. I have never looked to the price of gold to value anything, especially not crypto currencies. The markets will work best when participants are most informed and the underlying asset isn't prone to its own instability. I obviously think that gold should be incorporated later, but as for the test chain the underlying assets should be those that ppl are most comfortable valuing. The ttest chain should also have as few assets as possible. One would suffice but it is very important to include the Chinese community

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Not only is gold a dumb currency, It's immoral.  People that hoard it and store it in the ground, instead of letting it contribute to society and life do so much destruction to otherwise possible life.  Every time I have to pump my car clutch in the morning, to get it to make a clean electrical connection (because it's too expensive to use gold in the switch) I cures the selfish bastards.

Immoral because people can hoard it?

1. By hoard you actually mean the fact that people can save it, and maintain their value without being forced into our current corrupt system. (Which right now is so bad, inflation is actually higher than the interest you'd get in most savings accounts.)

2. You know that also means your against Bitcoin? Bitcoin is a deflationary currency which lets people do the same thing.
The opposite is happening to your argument, the more people use Bitcoin the more it is spent not hoarded.
Also if you look at America from 1800-1913 they rose rapidly to become the most successful & biggest creditor nation in the world using gold. I don't think I need to explain to you how things are now pretty much the exact opposite now, a hundred years on in a world where the dollar has lost 96% of it's original value.

Introducing a central bank was bad enough but at least they had some link to gold.
Look what happened after the dollar left the gold standard completely.
Only one small group has ever benefited from fiat/inflationary currency...   



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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 28, 2014, 03:37:03 pm »
Its nice to see a graphic of what it may look like.
Myself, and possibly many other users, would want to use the client for storing and exchanging value like bitUSD and not really use it for trading. A lot of people are also familiar with internet banking but not a trading terminal.

Maybe a tab with a simple display of your account (like in internet banking):
Bitshares: 5
BitUSD: 20


I agree a lot of people will just be looking for a simple way to store value in currencies/gold outside the current systemt not actively trade them.  (I'm not sure, but I think this is a good thing because it's means there will be some small profit to be made by people actively providing the market.)

I don't know if you've seen the bullionvault.com interface but it's quite good.

On the main page you see your gold, silver and currency holdings (like a wallet) and you have a simple option to buy or sell at the best price.

If you want to get more involved you can then click through to a different trading screen that gives you more information, like market depth, spreads etc.

Edit: I've addressed your comment Brent.Allsop in another thread rather than derail this one with a gold discussion.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=3285.0

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 28, 2014, 04:05:40 am »

Personally, I don't know why gold is relevant. I have never looked to the price of gold to value anything,

That statement explains everything that is wrong with the fiat generation.

Hahah not really... Gold is as valueless as fiat

+5% Today you can trade only "Paper Gold" which is more or less same as BitGold
 :)

No, BitGold is backed by Bitshares, so it's more valuable than paper gold.

The paper gold system obviously allows them to distort the value of gold until there is a run on physical, which is why I love crypto, as each 'bit' is accounted for in a decentralised public ledger so it's harder to pull of that scam.



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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 28, 2014, 03:57:41 am »

Personally, I don't know why gold is relevant. I have never looked to the price of gold to value anything,

That statement explains everything that is wrong with the fiat generation.

Hahah not really... Gold is as valueless as fiat

At any point in the last thousand years, owning a ton gold would make you a wealthy man.

At any point in the last thousand years keeping the equivalent value in fiat would leave you flat broke in less than 50 years without exception.

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 28, 2014, 03:12:55 am »

Personally, I don't know why gold is relevant. I have never looked to the price of gold to value anything,

That statement explains everything that is wrong with the fiat generation.


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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 28, 2014, 01:38:55 am »
I am *strongly* in favor of only displaying BitUSD as well as prominent warnings that BitUSD is not USD and cannot be used as legal tender like USD can.


 I would have to agree except i think it is important to include cny as well given the community in china.

Same for EUR and RUB.

I like BitUSD as USD is still the global reserve currency. I would put Gold up before I put any other currency.
CNY would prob be next. EUR & RUB less important. I like Russia but aren't they the country that's been the most hostile to crypto so far?

Oh and cool wallet, good start!

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General Discussion / Re: BitAsset Predictions & Speculation
« on: February 27, 2014, 05:21:57 pm »
I think BitUSD will trade at a premium to USD within the Bitshares system thanks to the interest.


The first chain won't pay interest anymore

Oh OK, I really need to read up on Bitshares more. So much I don't understand about it.

I guess for BitUSD to start trading at a premium then, they'd have to start Cyprus-ing bank accounts elsewhere in the world then BitUSD may start to trade at a premium as it's not in 'confiscatable'

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General Discussion / Re: BitAsset Predictions & Speculation
« on: February 27, 2014, 03:25:53 pm »
I think BitUSD will trade at a premium to USD within the Bitshares system thanks to the interest.

However outside Bitshares, an online retailer would prefer regular USD, so to them BitUSD will be worth less.

My hope is the premium within the system will be enough to offset this so that retailers or middlemen would allow consumers to purchase real world dollar denominated items with their BitUSD equivalent.

Edit: Actually middlemen/companies who let you pay for items in BitGold would be even more epic.



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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares X and ATMs
« on: February 24, 2014, 08:20:07 pm »
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Even 1 token ATM ASAP would be Great.

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General Discussion / Invictus crowdfunding POS template DAC
« on: February 24, 2014, 08:42:12 am »
The process of sending money to AGS then being issued a stake in Bitshares which can be traded plus also receive interest at some point is similar to the way people send money to crowdfunded business & are issued a stake in a new company which they hope to be able to trade and also maybe earn a dividend on at some point.

It seems that the AGS to Bitshares allocation model would work much better than the current crowdfunding model, allowing investors to trade their stakes in a transparent decentralised POS share system after the crowdfunding period is over and even receive dividends.

There was >5 $Billion raised through crowdfunding in 2013 the same year Cryptocurrency became a >5 $Billion business, why not join the two?

Invictus & AGS/PTS could get a stake in new companies they liked in exchange for providing & managing the POS template and bringing the crypto-community market to the crowdfunding market.

At the moment it seems only crypto-currency or related businesses have taken this approach but why shouldn't the next new exciting beverage/fashion/toy business be listed as a POS?

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Cool. Well I respect the decentralised purity of the approach! Will be so impressive if it works without any of the stuff I mentioned! World changing :)

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Yeah that would be pretty sacrilegious.

I just thought it might be useful at the very beginning, some big players might want to ruin the experiment but if you can keep it within some realistic parameters it should help any crazy wild swings.

What about the idea of a market maker fund? Some of the AGS funds are used to help make the market in the beginning? 

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Would it help linking/referencing Bit assets to an external price feed for the first few weeks, with a limited allowed deviation, so that it can't get too out of whack with reality or manipulated until market depth gets to a certain level.

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