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Quote from: SolomonSollarsNSense on March 15, 2017, 11:03:15 pmQuote from: Permie on March 15, 2017, 07:27:59 pmDoes your platform profit BTS shareholders?Or only Sollars holders?You say 'this will no longer be tied to the BitShares DEX.'Will your asset still be traded+secured by the BTS blockchain?I would say both. In the same way that the PeerPlays UIA benefits both to some extent.But its a little premature to have a precise conversation on how tied or not tied Sollar Bonds will be to the Bitshares DEX. I honestly don't know and its a conversation that will be had amongst top Bitshares/SoLCert holders who care about the project, understand the Entertainment opportunity and want to see it succeed in the larger market.If you have written the project off then there is no point in following it. Its true. We suck, this project is a SCAM, there is no value in Hollywood, or Millennials. Besides there are plenty of blockchain projects that already appeal to regular consumers and have them use it everyday so why bother. Also the top blockchain projects all have multi-million dollar market caps because of millions of daily active users that are mostly young hip people and grandmas... Those market caps ARE NOT because of pure speculation AT ALL. Its REAL value...Just trying to make Alternative Facts Great Again. #ThisIsNotARaceIt's very difficult and damn near impossible to explain anything "entertainment" related to most of this bitshares community... Just like Solly, I too have the entertainment background and Hollywood experience.. developing and producing content alone can be a pain in the ass but we do it because we are passionate about our craft and we brought that to bitshares. Only to be overlooked, ignored and have our ideas blasted or called a "scam?" Then watch other members complain about the lack of marketing, social media presence and videos... Most of you are so worried about projects being "tied to the bitshares DEX" and not realizing you have valuable assets such as Solly and myself trying to "open a gateway to Hollywood" and tie bitshares with mainstream entertainment.The content we continue to produce and update everyone with is plenty enough to show that the Sollywood and WANGCHANGE are great projects that will eventually be rewarding token holders, very generously, if they aren't already. Do your thing Solly...
Quote from: Permie on March 15, 2017, 07:27:59 pmDoes your platform profit BTS shareholders?Or only Sollars holders?You say 'this will no longer be tied to the BitShares DEX.'Will your asset still be traded+secured by the BTS blockchain?I would say both. In the same way that the PeerPlays UIA benefits both to some extent.But its a little premature to have a precise conversation on how tied or not tied Sollar Bonds will be to the Bitshares DEX. I honestly don't know and its a conversation that will be had amongst top Bitshares/SoLCert holders who care about the project, understand the Entertainment opportunity and want to see it succeed in the larger market.If you have written the project off then there is no point in following it. Its true. We suck, this project is a SCAM, there is no value in Hollywood, or Millennials. Besides there are plenty of blockchain projects that already appeal to regular consumers and have them use it everyday so why bother. Also the top blockchain projects all have multi-million dollar market caps because of millions of daily active users that are mostly young hip people and grandmas... Those market caps ARE NOT because of pure speculation AT ALL. Its REAL value...Just trying to make Alternative Facts Great Again. #ThisIsNotARace
Does your platform profit BTS shareholders?Or only Sollars holders?You say 'this will no longer be tied to the BitShares DEX.'Will your asset still be traded+secured by the BTS blockchain?
Hey I'm not trying to call this project a scam, I'm trying to get information that is important to shareholders out in the open. There isn't much info on anything crypto, I'm just trying to get more info out there by asking questions. I have one simple question:How will holders of your sollars UIA receive their profits if you become successful?Quote from: SolomonSollarsNSense on March 15, 2017, 04:07:22 pmThis is also why Sollywood TV as a start up/gateway to the Smart Money Tree (blockchain) will raise Institutional money along side the second round ICO. It will take millions of dollars to gain mainstream adoption by the masses. So you're going to become a fiat gateway? Therefore enabling easy access to all cryptocurrencies, such as bts? That would be great!Become a fiat gateway, market yourself to the Hollywood crowd (which you know lots about), and get people interested in crypto via your User Interface and your Sollars product.Fantastic!
This is also why Sollywood TV as a start up/gateway to the Smart Money Tree (blockchain) will raise Institutional money along side the second round ICO. It will take millions of dollars to gain mainstream adoption by the masses.
I want to be a part of the Q and A. I have a PC and a iPhone.Quote from: SolomonSollarsNSense on March 15, 2017, 10:49:44 pmQuote from: mf-tzo on March 15, 2017, 09:36:26 pm@SolomonSollarsNSense I am sorry if offended you but I don't even remember since when it was when you raised funds with Solcert ICO and all I hear from you is "the time is now" within 1-2 months etc etc and all this reminds me Muse..We all know how great this has developed.. In addition I remember well that at he time of donation I have donated more than 0.5 btc equivalent and now my solcerts are worth less than 0.1 btc, if they even worth that, and I was from the early birds that donated in the small tiers..I think that I am -5 times in btc terms and -3 in $ terms but anyway..Since then there is absolutely no value to solcert token.There is no trading activity whatsoever, no updates and you don't seem to realize that all these are problems..No you are talking about Dash, about 2nd round of ICO in the wide crypto community without even bothering to explain if holders of Solcert will have any benefit what so ever compared to the tokens of the 2nd ICO round..If all this doesn't look scam then what is?Anyway...I am not going to argue with you and maybe I shouldn't have accused you of scam since indeed time will tell. Anyone can make his investment decisions so I blame mostly myself for having invested in Solcert vs.Peerplays.. Fair enough. I take no offense to what you have said as I get where you are coming from. I would rather keep building than arguing as typically when people see a product and other elements that make a project valuable they begin to believe again. And all of a sudden market cap is revived trading begins again, everyone starts scrambling to find their said token they forgot about long ago... and vuala. Happened countless times to Bitcoin, and PeerCoin is the latest. DarkCoin/Dash was used as just an extreme example where perfect marketing techniques was done. But this story is typical. Its a marathon not a race.It will be one year to the date in about a week that we started gathering donations for this project. Most SERIOUS blockchain projects take on average of about 1-2 years to launch something useful. And even then none have launched a product in which regular everyday consumers actually use it. No one has yet (besides Steemit) to build a platform that aims DIRECTLY at consumers or even Millennials. We have built one. And we will raise further funds to decentralize it on its own blockchain with its own unique crypto economics. That is still a wide open market and the only one that really matters. Has not changed.@mf-tzo We have 2-4 more weeks of development. If you would like to participate in the final weeks of Q and A on the MVP/POC development to see how things work and give feedback let me know. You will need an iPhone and desktop computer. We were going to invite some SoLCert holders to do this anyways. Hope this info helps.
Quote from: mf-tzo on March 15, 2017, 09:36:26 pm@SolomonSollarsNSense I am sorry if offended you but I don't even remember since when it was when you raised funds with Solcert ICO and all I hear from you is "the time is now" within 1-2 months etc etc and all this reminds me Muse..We all know how great this has developed.. In addition I remember well that at he time of donation I have donated more than 0.5 btc equivalent and now my solcerts are worth less than 0.1 btc, if they even worth that, and I was from the early birds that donated in the small tiers..I think that I am -5 times in btc terms and -3 in $ terms but anyway..Since then there is absolutely no value to solcert token.There is no trading activity whatsoever, no updates and you don't seem to realize that all these are problems..No you are talking about Dash, about 2nd round of ICO in the wide crypto community without even bothering to explain if holders of Solcert will have any benefit what so ever compared to the tokens of the 2nd ICO round..If all this doesn't look scam then what is?Anyway...I am not going to argue with you and maybe I shouldn't have accused you of scam since indeed time will tell. Anyone can make his investment decisions so I blame mostly myself for having invested in Solcert vs.Peerplays.. Fair enough. I take no offense to what you have said as I get where you are coming from. I would rather keep building than arguing as typically when people see a product and other elements that make a project valuable they begin to believe again. And all of a sudden market cap is revived trading begins again, everyone starts scrambling to find their said token they forgot about long ago... and vuala. Happened countless times to Bitcoin, and PeerCoin is the latest. DarkCoin/Dash was used as just an extreme example where perfect marketing techniques was done. But this story is typical. Its a marathon not a race.It will be one year to the date in about a week that we started gathering donations for this project. Most SERIOUS blockchain projects take on average of about 1-2 years to launch something useful. And even then none have launched a product in which regular everyday consumers actually use it. No one has yet (besides Steemit) to build a platform that aims DIRECTLY at consumers or even Millennials. We have built one. And we will raise further funds to decentralize it on its own blockchain with its own unique crypto economics. That is still a wide open market and the only one that really matters. Has not changed.@mf-tzo We have 2-4 more weeks of development. If you would like to participate in the final weeks of Q and A on the MVP/POC development to see how things work and give feedback let me know. You will need an iPhone and desktop computer. We were going to invite some SoLCert holders to do this anyways. Hope this info helps.
@SolomonSollarsNSense I am sorry if offended you but I don't even remember since when it was when you raised funds with Solcert ICO and all I hear from you is "the time is now" within 1-2 months etc etc and all this reminds me Muse..We all know how great this has developed.. In addition I remember well that at he time of donation I have donated more than 0.5 btc equivalent and now my solcerts are worth less than 0.1 btc, if they even worth that, and I was from the early birds that donated in the small tiers..I think that I am -5 times in btc terms and -3 in $ terms but anyway..Since then there is absolutely no value to solcert token.There is no trading activity whatsoever, no updates and you don't seem to realize that all these are problems..No you are talking about Dash, about 2nd round of ICO in the wide crypto community without even bothering to explain if holders of Solcert will have any benefit what so ever compared to the tokens of the 2nd ICO round..If all this doesn't look scam then what is?Anyway...I am not going to argue with you and maybe I shouldn't have accused you of scam since indeed time will tell. Anyone can make his investment decisions so I blame mostly myself for having invested in Solcert vs.Peerplays..
Quote from: Permie on March 15, 2017, 06:51:39 pmQuote from: SolomonSollarsNSense on March 15, 2017, 04:07:22 pmWe plan to pull a Darkcoin/Dash and re-invent ourselves when it comes time for marketing our second round ICO to the larger crypto world. We will not be staying in Bitshares. This will give us a fresh start and show the Bitshares community what holistic marketing can look like if done right. We have the funds this time around. Remember when DarkCoin was "dead" and had a $5 Million marketcap? Right. No one does because its DASH now with a $500 Million market cap. This is a marathon not a race. Build something people actually need and dont ignore holistic marketing. That is what we are still doing.Please clarify. You won't be staying in bitshares?He made it totally clear from the beginning that he was going to make his own Graphene blockchain. @SolomonSollarsNSense did you hire Cryptonomexto to build it. And is this Dan's next big project after leaving Steemit?
Quote from: SolomonSollarsNSense on March 15, 2017, 04:07:22 pmWe plan to pull a Darkcoin/Dash and re-invent ourselves when it comes time for marketing our second round ICO to the larger crypto world. We will not be staying in Bitshares. This will give us a fresh start and show the Bitshares community what holistic marketing can look like if done right. We have the funds this time around. Remember when DarkCoin was "dead" and had a $5 Million marketcap? Right. No one does because its DASH now with a $500 Million market cap. This is a marathon not a race. Build something people actually need and dont ignore holistic marketing. That is what we are still doing.Please clarify. You won't be staying in bitshares?
We plan to pull a Darkcoin/Dash and re-invent ourselves when it comes time for marketing our second round ICO to the larger crypto world. We will not be staying in Bitshares. This will give us a fresh start and show the Bitshares community what holistic marketing can look like if done right. We have the funds this time around. Remember when DarkCoin was "dead" and had a $5 Million marketcap? Right. No one does because its DASH now with a $500 Million market cap. This is a marathon not a race. Build something people actually need and dont ignore holistic marketing. That is what we are still doing.
Quote from: SolomonSollarsNSense on March 15, 2017, 04:07:22 pm. We will be on Desktop and iOS. Has the iOS APP been Apple approved?
. We will be on Desktop and iOS.
I As tbone pointed out I am active on Telegram.
Solcert or Solomon and nonsense as my friend @tonyk used to call it does not look very promising either.. I hope that does not end up being a scam but...no updates from @SolomonSollarsNSense for a while does not look good..I remember back in the days I decided to through some bts to solcert instead of peerplays..how stupid was that??
transres 80696661.51 belong to bitcrab, goodpr1modiaprile 24999291.42 maybe belong to an Italian, seems anonymousbitshares-munich-wallet 22011314.03 belong to blockpay, goodbtsx-bitshare 19863402.00 belong to a hacker who stolen these from BTC38bts1998 19819797.11 seems anonymousaboy 18886043.13 seems anonymousstan 17134775.69 the Larimer, seems have abandon the faith for Bitsharesalohacs 16855553.92 seems anonymoustsuratsura-3557 16764536.44 belong to a Japanese, maybe know by @gn1, but not active herecode 13763621.17 seems anonymous
Quote from: alt on March 10, 2017, 02:46:44 amxeroc is just an engineer, another worker who work for Bitshares for payment. as a work, his target is earn money from share holders as much as possible, he don't have the responsible to earn money for shareholders.no payment no work.so who is the boss? as the NO.1 holders you give your responsible to a worker?let me ask you, do you know what's the vote principle for xeroc? do you care about this? do you care about what the workers have done in the past year, how much payment have cash out?this is just another joke, you are the NO.1Xeroc is FAR more than just a worker.You have no idea what he has contributed to the future of BitShares this past year ... for free.I am deeply indebted to him and so are you. (You just don't know it yet).
xeroc is just an engineer, another worker who work for Bitshares for payment. as a work, his target is earn money from share holders as much as possible, he don't have the responsible to earn money for shareholders.no payment no work.so who is the boss? as the NO.1 holders you give your responsible to a worker?let me ask you, do you know what's the vote principle for xeroc? do you care about this? do you care about what the workers have done in the past year, how much payment have cash out?this is just another joke, you are the NO.1
Quote from: alt on March 10, 2017, 12:58:29 amyes you are the NO.1but what you are doing for bitshares as NO.1 this yearseems Larimer work for Bitshares only for money.the Larimers are good workers for bitshares, but not a good share holders. it's OK, not good, not bad, you deserve it.but after spent out all the money, change the code License, and bring all code which sponsor by these money to another project, this is not good.Quote from: Stan on March 09, 2017, 05:57:34 pmBottom line: I'm still the number one private holder of BitShares... make of that whatever you will. Quote from: alt on March 10, 2017, 01:10:42 amoh, as the NO.1,you even don't have the ability to vote by yourself, that's really sadly
yes you are the NO.1but what you are doing for bitshares as NO.1 this yearseems Larimer work for Bitshares only for money.the Larimers are good workers for bitshares, but not a good share holders. it's OK, not good, not bad, you deserve it.but after spent out all the money, change the code License, and bring all code which sponsor by these money to another project, this is not good.Quote from: Stan on March 09, 2017, 05:57:34 pmBottom line: I'm still the number one private holder of BitShares... make of that whatever you will.
Bottom line: I'm still the number one private holder of BitShares... make of that whatever you will.
oh, as the NO.1,you even don't have the ability to vote by yourself, that's really sadly
Quote from: Tuck Fheman on March 03, 2017, 10:13:16 amBTW, thanks for all the Monero stuff from long ago. You made me a nice sum of money with that tip. =)Glad it helped. Yeah, it made me whole again after bitshares. Now I'm just trying to be diversified among a wider variety of crypto projects that dont seem like scams.
BTW, thanks for all the Monero stuff from long ago. You made me a nice sum of money with that tip. =)
this summer
Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 08, 2017, 06:21:17 pmStan pumped in a video that people "would be sorry" that they didn't buy bitshares when it was under a cent, meanwhile his son and company were dumping bitshares. Dan got on a mumble in early 2016 and spouted off about how his new years resolution was to be a better leader for bitshares. He quit the system 4 months later.Dan and Stan also tried to pump BTS by saying it was a sharedrop target and anyone using the tech should sharedrop on the community. They went and create steem using bitshares tech and abandoned the sharedrop idea... I guess sharedrops should only be done if it is benefiting Dan and Stan..Not to mention all of Stan's "business" development projects... None of these ever worked out but were used to pump the price while him and Dan dumped. Most were just cryptic bullshit forum posts that gave most of the larimer lemmings hard ons. There is animosity toward Dan and Stan because they abuse shareholders... they have done it since the merger and I'm sure they will attempt to do it again. It's usually around this time of year that they announce there next shareholder screwing idea.Yes this.Pretty much the sooner you got out of BTS the better, and the less you allowed Dan to ruin your life. We should all of listened to NewMine, he was trying to save us all.
Stan pumped in a video that people "would be sorry" that they didn't buy bitshares when it was under a cent, meanwhile his son and company were dumping bitshares. Dan got on a mumble in early 2016 and spouted off about how his new years resolution was to be a better leader for bitshares. He quit the system 4 months later.Dan and Stan also tried to pump BTS by saying it was a sharedrop target and anyone using the tech should sharedrop on the community. They went and create steem using bitshares tech and abandoned the sharedrop idea... I guess sharedrops should only be done if it is benefiting Dan and Stan..Not to mention all of Stan's "business" development projects... None of these ever worked out but were used to pump the price while him and Dan dumped. Most were just cryptic bullshit forum posts that gave most of the larimer lemmings hard ons. There is animosity toward Dan and Stan because they abuse shareholders... they have done it since the merger and I'm sure they will attempt to do it again. It's usually around this time of year that they announce there next shareholder screwing idea.
I've been away for ages but since coming back I'm seeing a bit of animosity about Dan moving to work on Steemit. I'm not looking to come in here and offend anyone, I only want to understand. Everyone seems a little dejected (...)It's good to be back seeing the progress BitShares is making
Quote from: Stan on March 07, 2017, 06:34:52 pmQuote from: renkcub on March 06, 2017, 04:32:43 pmCan't say I'm surprised by any of this. Called it in 2014 and avoided BTS. Too bad I didn't ride the pump with my Protoshares, though, or get on board with Steem. Dan is a good coder but never gave me a satisfactory answer to this basic concern (true across many areas of crypto).HOWEVER, I'm starting to see some value here and might FINALLY jump in (decentralized apps like OL).Quote from: renkcub on July 03, 2014, 04:22:19 pm.....However, I have a simple, but important concern I was not able to resolve with a few searches around the forum. I've seen it happen dozens or even hundreds of times now in the bitcoin ecosystem (just look at Bitfunder, or any asset exchange) - most of the "listings" turn out to be scams or fraudulently run. All BTC are somehow lost or founder disappears. I've seen some GDoc attempts at accounting for PTS expenditures, but what really is to prevent a "DAC" founder from pulling an Enron or running with the AGS funding? ....Really? The whole team working on sweat equity and their own funds for over a year after the donations ran out to produce and deliver rock stable Graphene and BitShares 2.0 to the community for free didn't satisfy you? I've been away for ages but since coming back I'm seeing a bit of animosity about Dan moving to work on Steemit. I'm not looking to come in here and offend anyone, I only want to understand. Everyone seems a little dejected Bts and steem are two sides of the same coin. They can work symbiotically.The market for censorship-free social media is about to grow massively.Twitter, facebook and reddit are all getting caught with their hands dirty, acting against the interests of it's users in order to direct a narrative. Could BitShares have replaced a social media system? I doubt it, which is why I assume Steemit was created.BitShares is a financial exchange. There is PLENTY of money in that game already. IMO, Dan and Cryptonomex built BitShares as a somewhat complete product. It's up to the users, shareholders and businesses of BitShares to use it. Unless I am mistaken, BitShares became a stand-alone entity directed by it's shareholders on launch. What are people expecting Dan to have done since? What am I missing?It's good to be back seeing the progress BitShares is making
Quote from: renkcub on March 06, 2017, 04:32:43 pmCan't say I'm surprised by any of this. Called it in 2014 and avoided BTS. Too bad I didn't ride the pump with my Protoshares, though, or get on board with Steem. Dan is a good coder but never gave me a satisfactory answer to this basic concern (true across many areas of crypto).HOWEVER, I'm starting to see some value here and might FINALLY jump in (decentralized apps like OL).Quote from: renkcub on July 03, 2014, 04:22:19 pm.....However, I have a simple, but important concern I was not able to resolve with a few searches around the forum. I've seen it happen dozens or even hundreds of times now in the bitcoin ecosystem (just look at Bitfunder, or any asset exchange) - most of the "listings" turn out to be scams or fraudulently run. All BTC are somehow lost or founder disappears. I've seen some GDoc attempts at accounting for PTS expenditures, but what really is to prevent a "DAC" founder from pulling an Enron or running with the AGS funding? ....Really? The whole team working on sweat equity and their own funds for over a year after the donations ran out to produce and deliver rock stable Graphene and BitShares 2.0 to the community for free didn't satisfy you?
Can't say I'm surprised by any of this. Called it in 2014 and avoided BTS. Too bad I didn't ride the pump with my Protoshares, though, or get on board with Steem. Dan is a good coder but never gave me a satisfactory answer to this basic concern (true across many areas of crypto).HOWEVER, I'm starting to see some value here and might FINALLY jump in (decentralized apps like OL).Quote from: renkcub on July 03, 2014, 04:22:19 pm.....However, I have a simple, but important concern I was not able to resolve with a few searches around the forum. I've seen it happen dozens or even hundreds of times now in the bitcoin ecosystem (just look at Bitfunder, or any asset exchange) - most of the "listings" turn out to be scams or fraudulently run. All BTC are somehow lost or founder disappears. I've seen some GDoc attempts at accounting for PTS expenditures, but what really is to prevent a "DAC" founder from pulling an Enron or running with the AGS funding? ....
.....However, I have a simple, but important concern I was not able to resolve with a few searches around the forum. I've seen it happen dozens or even hundreds of times now in the bitcoin ecosystem (just look at Bitfunder, or any asset exchange) - most of the "listings" turn out to be scams or fraudulently run. All BTC are somehow lost or founder disappears. I've seen some GDoc attempts at accounting for PTS expenditures, but what really is to prevent a "DAC" founder from pulling an Enron or running with the AGS funding? ....
Good to see you posting, Ander!
Moonstone wallet was a scam?
It's true.most share holders are blind
look at the followers of xeroc, almost 90% are inactive account. never use DEX.
and some big share holder never vote or discuss.http://cryptofresh.com/u/pr1modiaprilehttp://cryptofresh.com/u/tsuratsura-3557
Quote from: xeroc on March 03, 2017, 02:52:11 pmQuote from: lil_jay890 on March 03, 2017, 02:43:35 pmBitshares may not be a scam, but its a great platform for extracting value from shareholders. 4 proxies having the ability to control the entire system is insane. Especially when the proxies can vote in their own workers at whatever pay they want. Centralization.You do realize that this is personally offensive? Have I not taken sufficient measures to balance the conflicting interest as worker and proxy? Do you at all realize how my worker is setup?Also, by blaming the proxies, you are essentially blaming the shareholders that handed over their voting power to them. It's their freedom to do so and I they disagree with what I do/did, then they should remove their vote (which is what I asked them to do prior to voting for my own worker, btw).I get that you are offended, but this isn't an attack on you. I think you are an honest person who wants to see bitshares grow. It's to point out how centralized the system is. It's a basic design that is a huge flaw. It allows the exchanges at anytime to take over and control the whole system.It's a good thing that you informed your voters about this, but it still is a massive conflict of interest. Voters set you as a proxy so that they don't have to follow every detail. Whats the point of them setting you as a proxy and still having to follow along with day to day operations to see your disclaimer that you will be voting in your own worker?Bottom line is 4 people control the system now, and if the exchanges wanted to, they could control everything.
Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 03, 2017, 02:43:35 pmBitshares may not be a scam, but its a great platform for extracting value from shareholders. 4 proxies having the ability to control the entire system is insane. Especially when the proxies can vote in their own workers at whatever pay they want. Centralization.You do realize that this is personally offensive? Have I not taken sufficient measures to balance the conflicting interest as worker and proxy? Do you at all realize how my worker is setup?Also, by blaming the proxies, you are essentially blaming the shareholders that handed over their voting power to them. It's their freedom to do so and I they disagree with what I do/did, then they should remove their vote (which is what I asked them to do prior to voting for my own worker, btw).
Bitshares may not be a scam, but its a great platform for extracting value from shareholders. 4 proxies having the ability to control the entire system is insane. Especially when the proxies can vote in their own workers at whatever pay they want. Centralization.
I know most people here sweep this risks under the rug, but it's why bts isn't gaining new investors.
I have already voted, like many other people have, with my feet by dumping my bitshares.
This community is so weird, no one ever wants to hear the reasons why bitshares has plummeted in price and popularity. People just want this to be an echo chamber on how great and cool things are.
Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 03, 2017, 06:05:58 pmQuote from: yvv on March 03, 2017, 04:52:08 pmQuote from: lil_jay890 on March 03, 2017, 04:33:28 pmStill by that logic it means that if I wanted to set Xeroc as my proxy I should follow all worker proposals, then see what Xeroc is voting for, then decide whether or not I should still have Xeroc as my proxy. Why wouldn't I just vote for everything on my own instead of setting a proxy? The whole point of a proxy is so that the shareholder isn't burdened with checking worker proposals constantly, and I'm sure many of the shareholders who have proxies set are not constantly checking what their proxy is doing.Of course you need to follow what your proxy is doing, not every day, but at least once in a while. This is similar to electing a congressman, you need to follow the news in media to make sure that your delegate is doing what you expect him to do, and if he does not, you change your vote during next election. This way you don't need to make a vote on every single political issue every day. The difference between bitshares and real world political system is that in bitshares, if you think that it is easier for you to make every single vote on your own, hey, you are welcomed to do so.Once again these are all things that people "should" be doing. Just because someone "should" do something, doesn't mean they will do it. People "should" take there bts off the exchanges, yet they don't. So far we have seen the system centralize into 4 proxies (3 of which are chinese, and I believe controlled by the same person), so it's centralized between 2 parties. Relying on what people "should" do is a mistake. People are going to do what's easiest, not whats best.What people "should" do is up to each person himself to decide. If community chose to trust to 4 proxies, this means that there are no more trustworthy members other than these 4. If you don't like how they vote, sorry dude, you are outvoted, this is how voting with stake works. If you don't like it, make your party, get your stake and change it.
Quote from: yvv on March 03, 2017, 04:52:08 pmQuote from: lil_jay890 on March 03, 2017, 04:33:28 pmStill by that logic it means that if I wanted to set Xeroc as my proxy I should follow all worker proposals, then see what Xeroc is voting for, then decide whether or not I should still have Xeroc as my proxy. Why wouldn't I just vote for everything on my own instead of setting a proxy? The whole point of a proxy is so that the shareholder isn't burdened with checking worker proposals constantly, and I'm sure many of the shareholders who have proxies set are not constantly checking what their proxy is doing.Of course you need to follow what your proxy is doing, not every day, but at least once in a while. This is similar to electing a congressman, you need to follow the news in media to make sure that your delegate is doing what you expect him to do, and if he does not, you change your vote during next election. This way you don't need to make a vote on every single political issue every day. The difference between bitshares and real world political system is that in bitshares, if you think that it is easier for you to make every single vote on your own, hey, you are welcomed to do so.Once again these are all things that people "should" be doing. Just because someone "should" do something, doesn't mean they will do it. People "should" take there bts off the exchanges, yet they don't. So far we have seen the system centralize into 4 proxies (3 of which are chinese, and I believe controlled by the same person), so it's centralized between 2 parties. Relying on what people "should" do is a mistake. People are going to do what's easiest, not whats best.
Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 03, 2017, 04:33:28 pmStill by that logic it means that if I wanted to set Xeroc as my proxy I should follow all worker proposals, then see what Xeroc is voting for, then decide whether or not I should still have Xeroc as my proxy. Why wouldn't I just vote for everything on my own instead of setting a proxy? The whole point of a proxy is so that the shareholder isn't burdened with checking worker proposals constantly, and I'm sure many of the shareholders who have proxies set are not constantly checking what their proxy is doing.Of course you need to follow what your proxy is doing, not every day, but at least once in a while. This is similar to electing a congressman, you need to follow the news in media to make sure that your delegate is doing what you expect him to do, and if he does not, you change your vote during next election. This way you don't need to make a vote on every single political issue every day. The difference between bitshares and real world political system is that in bitshares, if you think that it is easier for you to make every single vote on your own, hey, you are welcomed to do so.
Still by that logic it means that if I wanted to set Xeroc as my proxy I should follow all worker proposals, then see what Xeroc is voting for, then decide whether or not I should still have Xeroc as my proxy. Why wouldn't I just vote for everything on my own instead of setting a proxy? The whole point of a proxy is so that the shareholder isn't burdened with checking worker proposals constantly, and I'm sure many of the shareholders who have proxies set are not constantly checking what their proxy is doing.
Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 03, 2017, 03:27:06 pmWhats the point of them setting you as a proxy and still having to follow along with day to day operations to see your disclaimer that you will be voting in your own worker?Having to follow one person you trust is much easier than having to follow everyone and everything. How can someone vote for anything or anyone if he is completly clueless? Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 03, 2017, 03:27:06 pmBottom line is 4 people control the system now, and if the exchanges wanted to, they could control everything.imo they don't control but they run the system and the stakeholders can remove the support at any time. Exchanges are only good at getting hacked anything else pays too little.
Whats the point of them setting you as a proxy and still having to follow along with day to day operations to see your disclaimer that you will be voting in your own worker?
Bottom line is 4 people control the system now, and if the exchanges wanted to, they could control everything.
Quote from: alt on March 03, 2017, 10:29:24 amI don't care how many scammers here, I know Bitshares is not a scammer, that's enough.Bitshares may not be a scam, but its a great platform for extracting value from shareholders. 4 proxies having the ability to control the entire system is insane. Especially when the proxies can vote in their own workers at whatever pay they want. Centralization.
I don't care how many scammers here, I know Bitshares is not a scammer, that's enough.
Starting from the premine, which is not 'debunked' as you say, but was very clear (with 2M coins mined in days)
Just because its highly priced now doesn't mean its not pure scam.
steem and peerplays are fine, e-dinar is a ponzi.
Off the top of my head, here are a few: Businesses: Transwiser has not been a scam. Blocktrades has not been a scam. MetaExchange has not been a scam. OpenLedger has not been a scam (although some of its ICOs could be).Workers: Svk, myself, Xeroc, cass, and others have run worker proposals that have not been scams.At least we will never reach 100% rate of scams. Good to see you posting, Ander!
Quote from: Ander on March 02, 2017, 05:57:43 amBTS blockchain shouldve hired Amanda, lol. Dash scam is doing great. with her pumping it.Agree on the Amanda part, but why do you say "Dash scam"?Is there some new "scam" info I'm unaware of or is this about the long ago debunked "pre-mine" stuff?
BTS blockchain shouldve hired Amanda, lol. Dash scam is doing great. with her pumping it.
Quote from: JonnyBitcoin on March 02, 2017, 01:44:07 pmCryptoScam #4 - Dash (w/ Fluffy Pony)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKU0Ymta-Uits not always good to listen to people, its like Dem against GOP..lol everybody is right all are wrong, only the future will tell , Jesus promised to come back after 2K years we still talk about it..tons of ppl even every day, to him, and
CryptoScam #4 - Dash (w/ Fluffy Pony)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKU0Ymta-U
Dash is a house of cards...anyways, most of the scam left already. OL is def not a scam, as well as the 7+ underlying projects.from a graphene point of view... steem and peerplays are fine, e-dinar is a ponzi.I'd say bitshares has a better legit/scam ratio than Ethereum ICOs.
Dash is a house of cards...