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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: February 16, 2016, 12:10:02 am »
Is that idea I saw a couple weeks back with the free BTS transactions, where you get a number of them per time period based on your stake, going to happen?  That idea was pretty awesome and made me have hope for Bitshares again.

Yup.. already underway with testing:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21462.0.html


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General Discussion / Re: Get the word out, easy!
« on: February 15, 2016, 07:47:23 pm »
good job talking to 300+ people on social networks .. +5%!

Quite easy when your profile is a woman :)

So when you told them about bitshare what was their response?

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thank you for playing so many words to explain

read this page replies, I most want to say is: please do not use China, the United States, Europe to divide our community, and should be the point of view A, B, C. We came here not because of the geographical location, but for some ideals and goals.

 +5% +5% +5% do it!!! :)


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How about.. CHA₦GE you can believe in!!

Oh wait.. I think that one's been taken. Drat.

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I think this depends on the point of view. The ones who say "Dilution" try thinking about this. Bitcoin, Ethereum and every single coin has it at the moment. Some in form of PoW. You only need to see this as PoW, because if you think about it, it is. Instead of the work being done is mining blocks, the work is development and improvement of our own blockchain with people who can actually code.

Bitcoin, PoW, dilution via miners.
BitShares, in a sense, PoW too because dilution is done via worker proposals, real work improving the blockchain for the better.

So instead of having random people mining, you have coders with skills to improve the blockchain. Imo it's much more fair because you have actual job and improvement done, plus everyone can vote if they want it or not.

If you look at it that way, our model is better assuming it can maintain the same level of security. It's just a matter of perception. The problem here is knowing when and if worker proposals and the job done to improve the blockchain is worth the "dilution" it caused.

Well stated comparison there Akedo..  +5%

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Show me at least one worker who take responsibility for the shareholder,please.
proposal like:"I will develop a function,one year after this function launch,the market cap will be twice to now,or I won't get any bts as payment.

no one now  are willing to  take this responsibility, right.They just happy to to see shareholder surffer and grad USD for themselves.

"I have written so many many document! BTS will go to die without our work!just give me 100K bts a day! "(So what?We have only 10% left  of our investment thanks to your "hard work" since 2014 )

I could have a high pay job outside! (So again,why are you still here?Strongly doubt that you can get a serious job outside.)

Somebody still think these amazing inflation work can raise the market cap  base on 2013-2016,huh,wow.

Where are the Chinese developers?  What makes it ok to constantly scream that people are not doing something for you free, but then do little development from what I have heard? 

US job market is going great right now, real developers are rare. There are tons of shitty developers who decided to get into it because it pays well.  The type of developer needed for blockchain type work is one of these "rare" developers.  They would have to be screwed up socially in a very very strange way, have a criminal records, or unwilling to relocate etc to not be able to get a job. You are so clueless to think guys who can fix BItShares couldn't find a good job.  You are on a different planet.

If you are going to insult someone, insult Dan Larimer who made all the decisions unilaterally but with input.  I don't know why you think developers owe you more. It makes more sense for them to get a job, then wait and invest their money in BTS or not.

If someone was to "take accountability" and only be paid if the marketcap doubled, how do they know what thousands of quasi-irrational people are going to do ? It would be foolish to take such a deal without asking to be paid far FAAARRRR above market rates when the market cap doubles. No one would like that either.

I am not commenting on the past, but startups can blow through cash like crazy.  That is not going on currently.  If you want to win, you need to advance. Not sit around fingers cross hoping and praying for some magic to occur.

I'd like to see more Chinese developers too.

Maybe there are just clearing the playing field to introduce their own Chinese developers?

Lot easier to do that when everyone else has given up.

No need to cross fingers or hope and pray when you know how the 'magic' trick works right?

I certainly hope that is not the case here, and that this is just a matter of a huge amount of misrepresented propaganda making it's way through eastern channels.

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General Discussion / Re: Attracting more fiat onramps/offramps
« on: February 14, 2016, 04:15:09 pm »
Maker/Taker proposal.. or bond market.

As is.. no go.

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How would a feature like this impact an FBA looking to build on Bitshares?

They would have their own rates that they control, much like the committee.. but would this code then apply? Would it be required to be incorporated into these new fee structures?

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Random Discussion / Re: Monero
« on: February 14, 2016, 05:13:41 am »
Here folks we are experiencing one of cryptos greatest wonders,  the Ander pump...

Legend has it that whenever this scholar promoted an early crypto currency, a curse was put on it that retarded all market cap growth. In most cases, the cursed currency became a mere shell of itself, never surpassing its pre pump high...

Historians are still debating the death of what some call the anti predictor. But it's commonly accepted that he was run over by a bus of a developer of a coin he pumped that inherently failed.  Though his passing was sad, crypto innovation began to bloom once the fear of the death pump was gone.



BEHOLD!!  LIL_JAY890 THE CRYPTO PROPHET!!

hahahaha  +5%

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If it's possible, what I'm talking about would not be difficult at all.  Probably far simpler than what you're talking about.  Besides, I'm just asking a question.  And you're not the best person to determine whether it's possible or what the cost would be.  So please dispense with the sweeping proclamations.

I said keep plugging away... no need to be rude.

It's a forum where ideas are shared and anyone can contribute.

If you are so hard up for answers from BM then why not ask him directly?

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I'm sorry, but you can't compare this to Liquid.  Liquid is a federated sidechain of centralized services (BitFinex, Kraken, BTCC, Xapo, Unocoin).  To begin with, the users of these services have to trust those companies.  On top of that, the Liquid sidechain depends on the participating companies trusting each other.  So you really can't compare that to what we're trying to accomplish here.

By the way, it looks like you modified your post before I got a chance to respond.  But since you were wondering why I wasn't taking your explanation at face value, it's because you're not the expert.  So I continue to address @bytemaster with my questions since he IS the expert.  And I asked for @abit's opinion since he is a developer and, for all we know, he could be the one to code this up ultimately.  Surely you can understand where I'm coming from.

In any event, I'm really not sure, but something tells me that what I'm proposing is very much doable.  It would be great if @bytemaster would speak to it specifically.  If it can't be done, please explain why.  Thanks!

What you are talking about is going to be costly on several fronts.

It doesn't matter if it's possible or not.. sure it's possible.. you don't need bytemasters validation on that.. anything is possible with enough money put into it.. the question is if it is practical.

Can you drive a tank from home to work every day? Sure.. is it practical.. no.

Given the costs involved what we need is a lean and simply implementation that is going to cost the least amount while accomplishing the essential functions.

Having our own Liquid with 5X the security and decentralization of what they have done is plenty of assurance for the target audience that would want to use this.

If you want to spend a lot of money on anti-trust this current market simply won't support it.

All too often simple solutions are pushed aside in favor of complex ones that are designed to suit strawman issues. I rather have a quick to execute and elegant simple solutions that accomplishes the task.

Anyways.... keep plugging away at it.. the more difficult we make it the less likely it is to be done due to costs that stakeholders will be unwilling to shoulder because of diminished returns. Lower cost means greater returns.

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please notice what I say


why not after you do good effort and wait btser to vote . I think if you do really useful work to bts, they must vote support to your worker.

then please explain to me what alt / baozi is doing just now. I certainly does not recognize any value brought to the ecosystem.

If this goes on .. and more shareholders support him .. he could essential force the network to stand still in development ..

I thought that was the exact assurance when BM introduced the dilution : If shareholders do not like the inflation rate , they can vote against it .

On a side note , false development is no development at all . ( dilution and tons of AGS fund has funded a lot of things in 1.0 , and none of it was worth it because by the dev's own word ------1.0 was not usable to users . And graphene was paid by the developer's own dime. ) False development meaning development that just for "workers' sake" instead of those work that's really needed and will have lasting effect on the project instead of every work that has been paid and then be abandoned and move on to another new direction .

I guess he has just seen false development funded by dilution too much .

But then again , the doubt is bound to happen after failing to see result generated from dilution after one year whose effect has been devastating on the marketcap . "Marketcap will rise if you let us dilute and keep developing" , which was also the only reason that the stakeholders allowed changing the allocation schedule and ruined the reputation of BitShares in the first place . So ........ Is this objection really that surprising to you ?

Soooo the logical conclusion to this line of rational is Bitshares Workers will get no support and therefore will not make any progress in new features, fixes, or updates. If we just keep things the way they are and no work is ever done on Bitshares.. it will go up thanks to no dilution!

I think the market cap we have now is all you can ever expect it to reach and the only way to go from here is down if this is the grand plan.

No innovation = growth huh? ... just.. wow.

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I am curious... was this posted AFTER listening to yesterdays hangout? Or just another random posting about dilution?

You do realize that our market cap went up higher than it has since November yesterday... and you are now coming here going on about shame.. it makes little sense.

So I am wondering if this was an intentional slam against what @bytemaster said yesterday.. or just random ranting with little to no correlation with how we are actually now starting to do BETTER in Bitshares WITH the Workers that are working.

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Technical Support / Re: Additional feature(s)
« on: February 13, 2016, 02:34:49 pm »
Sounds useful.  +5%

Does this include modification to the GUI or just the BSIP?

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Random Discussion / Re: Monero
« on: February 13, 2016, 02:31:45 pm »
Here folks we are experiencing one of cryptos greatest wonders,  the Ander pump...

Legend has it that whenever this scholar promoted an early crypto currency, a curse was put on it that retarded all market cap growth. In most cases, the cursed currency became a mere shell of itself, never surpassing its pre pump high...

Historians are still debating the death of what some call the anti predictor. But it's commonly accepted that he was run over by a bus of a developer of a coin he pumped that inherently failed.  Though his passing was sad, crypto innovation began to bloom once the fear of the death pump was gone.

haha.. that gave me my morning laugh.. thanks :)  +5%

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