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General Discussion / Re: Cryptofresh API
« on: April 07, 2016, 02:59:30 am »
Nice job.  Cryptofresh is a tremendous resource for this community.

I have a request that is not specifically related to the API.  It has to do with the charts.  The values that matter the most when it comes to assessing actual usage and rate of adoption of the DEX are 1) accounts created, 2) orders filled, and 3) transfers.  Can you consider making those the default values?  The others are nice to see sometimes, but really aren't nearly as meaningful. 

Also, would it be possible to show a 30-day moving average (when only one chart value is selected)?  That would be very nice to see.  Thanks for your consideration.

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Technical Support / Re: Wallet Recovery Service (3rd Party)
« on: April 06, 2016, 06:08:49 pm »
Code: [Select]
md5sum wallet.json; sha1sum wallet.json
4d0fb892b1d0ec7ef9eaee99b166f791  wallet.json
5f54991a811fdd63d22ca55f9264e2420760c905  wallet.json

So is this service ready to go?

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General Discussion / Re: Looking for Deposit Tutorial for OPEN.BTC
« on: April 06, 2016, 05:37:15 pm »
I am looking for someone to create a step-by-step guide with screenshots on how to deposit OPEN.BTC into your BitShares account.

These instructions will be used as part of a marketing push for STEEM that will direct users to BitShares which will start out as the exclusive exchange where STEEM is traded. 

If we play this right BitShares can ride the STEEM publicity and we can get some new traders into the exchange.

Having exclusive assets that people want to trade is one of the best ways of bootstrapping BitShares.

Ideally the guide would be done in MARKDOWN.

This will be great to have in place so we can be ready for LISK traders as well.  LISK launches next Monday.

Ronny (@ccedk): will we have LISK trading on the DEX when it launches?

Have asked Max for an update via skype.

FYI:  Apparently Yobit participated in the Lisk ICO and have already made YOBIT.LISK available to trade on their site.  Currently it is trading at 15X ICO price.  It's creating a buzz for Yobit, which might even put them on the map.  That's exactly what OpenLedger needs.   @ccedk

https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC

What a shame not being able to sell mine meh. We should have done as @Erlich Bachman said.

@ccedk have you thought about doing this?

If Ronny does this, he'd be distributing some of his own LISK.  But that's fine with me.  I'm mostly interested in the attention OpenLedger can get from this.  There is a LOT of buzz around LISK! 


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General Discussion / Re: Looking for Deposit Tutorial for OPEN.BTC
« on: April 06, 2016, 04:35:17 pm »
I am looking for someone to create a step-by-step guide with screenshots on how to deposit OPEN.BTC into your BitShares account.

These instructions will be used as part of a marketing push for STEEM that will direct users to BitShares which will start out as the exclusive exchange where STEEM is traded. 

If we play this right BitShares can ride the STEEM publicity and we can get some new traders into the exchange.

Having exclusive assets that people want to trade is one of the best ways of bootstrapping BitShares.

Ideally the guide would be done in MARKDOWN.

This will be great to have in place so we can be ready for LISK traders as well.  LISK launches next Monday.

Ronny (@ccedk): will we have LISK trading on the DEX when it launches?

Have asked Max for an update via skype.

FYI:  Apparently Yobit participated in the Lisk ICO and have already made YOBIT.LISK available to trade on their site.  Currently it is trading at 15X ICO price.  It's creating a buzz for Yobit, which might even put them on the map.  That's exactly what OpenLedger needs.   @ccedk

https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC


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I personally would be outraged if I called my stockbroker and ordered 1000 shares of Company A, and found out six weeks later that my stock broker had voted my 1000 shares at Company A's annual meeting to elect a Board which starved Company A of development funds. Although my 1000 shares are stored by the stockbroker, rather than sent to my custody, in order to facilitate trading, they have no right to vote those shares as if they were owned by the broker.

A company stock has your name attached to it. This is not the case with BTS. One who controls a wallet has a vote.

For some weird reason, you continue to miss the point. 

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General Discussion / Re: Tether integration?
« on: April 06, 2016, 03:45:09 pm »
synereo is expected to be added first part of April, and soon to follow will come other major currencies from the OMNI group like Tether, maidsafe, and maybe also the Agoras Tokens within May with some various media backing the introduction.

In April will be added Synereo, LISK and DGD(digix), all three based on their recent or upcoming major media attention combime with strategic interest building OpenLedger as the place to be.

OpenLedger.hk almost there as supporting server for the far east region for quick access and mot probably few days left.

Hi Ronny (@ccedk), will you be incentivizing market makers to provide liquidity in order to help bootstrap these markets on the DEX?  If so, are you aware that we've been working on a mechanism that would help UIA issuers (or the committee for BitAssets) properly reward market makers for the liquidity they provide? 

The idea is that you would create a reward for a given market and for a given time period.  Shares of that reward could then be earned by market makers depending on how often they have orders on the book, the size of those orders, and the proximity of the orders to the price feed or best bid/ask.   At the very least, during bootstrapping of a particular market, you could use the fees you collect in that market to redistribute back to market makers that qualify for liquidity rewards based on above mentioned criteria. 

I think it would be great if you used this to help bootstrap the Synereo, LISK and DGD(digix) markets once you add them.  What do you think? 

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Good stuff, Ronny!

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General Discussion / Re: Looking for Deposit Tutorial for OPEN.BTC
« on: April 04, 2016, 11:19:42 pm »
I am looking for someone to create a step-by-step guide with screenshots on how to deposit OPEN.BTC into your BitShares account.

These instructions will be used as part of a marketing push for STEEM that will direct users to BitShares which will start out as the exclusive exchange where STEEM is traded. 

If we play this right BitShares can ride the STEEM publicity and we can get some new traders into the exchange.

Having exclusive assets that people want to trade is one of the best ways of bootstrapping BitShares.

Ideally the guide would be done in MARKDOWN.

This will be great to have in place so we can be ready for LISK traders as well.  LISK launches next Monday.

Ronny (@ccedk): will we have LISK trading on the DEX when it launches?

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@svk: coloring would be great .. give bitassets something premium, like a gold color and the other ones something less brilliant, like a gray/silver... just some thoughts
Yea I played around with coloring too, but it quickly becomes too much. Asset names are displayed in a lot of places and if we color them everywhere it quickly becomes messy, and if we only color them in some places it gets inconsistent.

Color coding is a nice thought but I agree that it will hurt in this instance as much as it helps.   On the other hand, displaying the prefix is definitely helpful.  Also, I think it's a great idea to use a smaller font for the prefix.   Although I would leave the dot between the prefix and the asset name for UIAs because it's actually more readable like that, not to mention more consistent, and also less confusing since BIT is really not a prefix in the same way OPEN and META are.
I like the smaller prefix on the bit assets (without the dots), but I would leave them as-is on UIAs (dots and no small prefix). Making them smaller on the bit assets makes plenty of sense, since the bit isn't part of the actual symbol (regardless of whether that was a good idea, that ship has sailed).

The asset name along with its prefix takes up a lot of space and the asset name itself doesn't stand out nearly as much as it could.  Presumably these are the reasons @svk removed the prefixes to begin with.  The suggestion by some to leave off the prefix but use color coding was another attempt to solve the problem.  But since that doesn't really work well either, @svk's idea to use a smaller font for the prefix is a smart compromise.  And it will help.  So I hope you won't derail it. 

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General Discussion / Re: STEALTH Status Update
« on: April 04, 2016, 06:06:12 pm »
Perhaps @onceuponatime will consider immediately selling some of the stealth asset in order to not only recoup a chunk of his investment, but also to raise some funds to speed up implementation of stealth transfers / private balances.  This is a critical feature.  The sooner it gets implemented, the faster the Bitshares adoption rate will increase, and the sooner @onceuponatime will be in the black on his investment.

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Some updates here:

After CNX reviewed the first version of my code, we decided to postpone the development, the most important reason is this feature need to  extend the global fee schedule which I've done in my way, but we think it's best to improve the implementation of fee schedule structure first so it will be easier to be extended both this time and in the future. CNX did make some efforts on the development on fee schedule improvement, but apparently it need more efforts to have the work done. Since now the maintenance worker has been voted out (maybe temporarily), I don't know whether it will affect the development work on CNX side.

Related discussions in github:
* https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues/583
* https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues/554

Another thing is about @jakub, OP of this thread. Due to some reasons (See https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19247.msg278204.html#msg278204), he is no longer active here (maybe temporarily, as well). IMO it's a pity. A part of work of this worker was supposed to be done by him, and he did ask for paid. I don't know if it's still possible to ask him to finish the work. Anyway, most of his work need to done after the code is stable, but now the development itself is paused, so even if he come back right now, he can only finish the work later. But if need to wait too much time, perhaps value of his work will be less than supposed (he supposed to write the first document/tutorial for coding inside Graphene).

Jakub is one of the owner authorities of creator of this worker (see https://cryptofresh.com/u/bsip10-worker), which means nobody can get payment from this worker without his approval (unless hardfork). From this POV, his inactivity is a bit annoying to other developers (mostly to me).

Yet another thing is about voting. Recently this worker became not fully funded, and probably be voted out very soon. Yes, this is the game, worker proposal is not contract, even if some parties agreed the proposal at start, nobody will guarantee the agreement will be kept to the end. Asking the committee as escrow is also a joke, since the members of committee can change every hour, so the committee can't guarantee anything. An "approved" BSIP means nothing as well. If we see BitShares as a company, it's really bad reputation.

OK, some personal words (or complaints) at the end. Perhaps I am the only loser because I've put much efforts into the work already but will get no return in the end (except so-called knowledge, skills, experience etc). For me, right now, if I found it's impossible to get what I asked 3M BTS which was accepted by whoever in this system, I won't work on this feature anymore. In addition, I tend to start working after I got 1.5M BTS (half paid) to my account (not the multi-authority account). Whatever, who cares. Will I work on other items in the system? We will see.

This is clearly a flaw in the system that needs to be fixed.  Once a proposal is approved, it needs to be funded to completion.  Of course, for this particular worker proposal we are at a standstill anyway since @jakub is not around.  Hopefully he will consider coming back, not just to complete this project, but because overall he was a very valuable, contributing member of this community. 

In the meantime, we need to move on fixing this flaw in the system ASAP.

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General Discussion / Re: Graphene GUI testing and feedback
« on: April 04, 2016, 07:14:57 am »
@svk:  I've been meaning to comment on the last release and offer additional feedback, just been so busy lately.  But great job with the latest changes to the horizontal order book layout.   Also, the expand and contract buttons on the chart are very helpful.  And the chart timeframes make more sense now (e.g. there was no need for 5s).  Although if it's a relatively easy matter to add them, I would go ahead and add 1m, 2h, 6h, 12h and 1w.  If it's time consuming to add each one, I would add 1m immediately and hold off on the others for now. 

Also with respect to the chart, something has changed where the volume bars now obscure view of the candlesticks.  It was definitely much better before.  And final point about the chart...we once had a crosshair, and now it is just a vertical line.  Can you make it a cross hair again, and have the price of the vertical line's position show on the vertical axis as the crosshair moves?  That would mimic standard behavior. 

By the way, while the horizontal layout is much improved now, the vertical layout has taken a step backwards with the ticker (price history) now pushed further down.  For the very same reasons the price history has been moved immediately below the chart in the horizontal layout, the same should be true on the vertical layout. 

Also, when you click on the order book, it is adding the cumulative available orders and putting a value into the order box, but it's not calculating properly.  Can you take a look at that?

Beyond that, we really need to start working toward having some basic position management.  I mentioned in a previous post that the Open Orders box could be modified to include a Current Positions view.  So the box could have 2 tabs for the user to choose between.  The tab headers could include the number of items in the list like below.  Also, Open Positions could show the P/L (% gain or loss) for each position.  And each position could be hyperlinked so the user can click to load that market into the current view in order to assess the situation and/or close out or add to their position.

|  Open Orders (1)    |   Current Positions (5)  |

Finally, there is still some strange behavior with the Find Markets tab.  For example, if I enter "OPEN.EUR", it returns the OPEN.EUR pairs with BTS, BTC, USD, CNY...but not EUR.  Do you know why that is?

Position management like you say sounds nice, but not sure it's feasible with our current system. A margin position doesn't have any other information attached to it besides the collateral and debt. Whether you've gone short with it or not I don't know, so I don't see how I can define a gain/loss there.

I understand there are factors that make it difficult or impossible to offer true position management at this time.  But my original suggestion was to start at least for now by simply listing the Open Positions (i.e. balances) in each asset.  That would be very helpful because currently the only way to see your balances is to navigate into the account area.  Then you have to navigate back to the trading screen.  This makes for a very disjointed and inefficient experience.  Instead, the Open Orders box could have 2 tabs so you could also display Open Positions (again, that's simply the balances in each asset).  That would allow the trader to easily switch between those assets in order to assess each market's vitals and potentially close, reduce or add to one of the positions. 

Find markets looks for markets with 4 default quotes, the ones you mentioned. It's simply a case of having to limit the search results in order to not overload the witness node with searches, so I picked the 4 most important assets as I see it..

Perhaps you can display the EUR pair (or anything that doesn't fall under the primary 4) under "OTHER" so the results won't be unexpected and confusing due to missing pairs?

By the way, it used to be that clicking on the "Trade" main menu item when already on the Trade page would take you to Explore-->Markets.  That was very handy.  Now it requires a bunch of navigating to go back and forth.  Can you reinstate that original toggle or create a new one? 

One final suggestion, can you create a way for the user to toggle the My Markets / Find Markets column between normal and full length (i.e. toggle the mini depth chart in and out of view)?  That would be handy.

Thanks @svk as always for all of your effort on the UI.  It just keeps getting better and better!

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Whats the status of MUSE now?
« on: April 04, 2016, 01:52:17 am »
I havent paid attention for a few months.  Can someone summarize how things are going?  Thanks!

Hard to tell how things are going.  But here's the most promising info we've seen in a while:
 

These are not promo videos. Just screen capture to get an idea of the platform.

We don't go into the Token - the core value proposition - in these videos. We focus more on the royalty side of things.

The Token system will be made obvious through Troopeers (which is being integrated to MUSE atm)

Fan side vid:
https://youtu.be/aQM4P7uFgk4

Artist side vid:
https://youtu.be/yWOUJehIfJc

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21858.msg284882.html#msg284882

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General Discussion / Re: Graphene GUI testing and feedback
« on: April 03, 2016, 05:13:10 pm »
@svk:  I've been meaning to comment on the last release and offer additional feedback, just been so busy lately.  But great job with the latest changes to the horizontal order book layout.   Also, the expand and contract buttons on the chart are very helpful.  And the chart timeframes make more sense now (e.g. there was no need for 5s).  Although if it's a relatively easy matter to add them, I would go ahead and add 1m, 2h, 6h, 12h and 1w.  If it's time consuming to add each one, I would add 1m immediately and hold off on the others for now. 

Also with respect to the chart, something has changed where the volume bars now obscure view of the candlesticks.  It was definitely much better before.  And final point about the chart...we once had a crosshair, and now it is just a vertical line.  Can you make it a cross hair again, and have the price of the vertical line's position show on the vertical axis as the crosshair moves?  That would mimic standard behavior. 

By the way, while the horizontal layout is much improved now, the vertical layout has taken a step backwards with the ticker (price history) now pushed further down.  For the very same reasons the price history has been moved immediately below the chart in the horizontal layout, the same should be true on the vertical layout. 

Also, when you click on the order book, it is adding the cumulative available orders and putting a value into the order box, but it's not calculating properly.  Can you take a look at that?

Beyond that, we really need to start working toward having some basic position management.  I mentioned in a previous post that the Open Orders box could be modified to include a Current Positions view.  So the box could have 2 tabs for the user to choose between.  The tab headers could include the number of items in the list like below.  Also, Open Positions could show the P/L (% gain or loss) for each position.  And each position could be hyperlinked so the user can click to load that market into the current view in order to assess the situation and/or close out or add to their position.

|  Open Orders (1)    |   Current Positions (5)  |

Finally, there is still some strange behavior with the Find Markets tab.  For example, if I enter "OPEN.EUR", it returns the OPEN.EUR pairs with BTS, BTC, USD, CNY...but not EUR.  Do you know why that is?

I put the volume bars and the candlesticks on the same y-axis, it gives more space to each one so I prefer it that way at least. In the process the axis indexes changed which is why the crosshair disappeared, I hadn't even noticed but I'll put them back in.

I've been meaning to respond to this for some time, but I've been so busy.  In any event, I appreciate your reasoning here.  Having both on the same y-axis works well on Poloniex and TradingView, to name a couple.  But I guess with the colors those sites use, the volume bars don't obscure the candlesticks nearly as much.  And in TradingView you can easily hide and unhide the volume with the click of the mouse.  I often wish I could do that on Poloniex as well.  Maybe you can add that capability on the DEX.  It would be helpful.

The chart timeframes are defined in the backend, but I decided to filter out anything below 5 minutes because with the low volume we have it just doesn't show anything useful atm. If you really think 1m is useful I can set the cutoff there.

Once we start getting much more active trading in some of these markets, there will be traders who scalp that will need 1m charts. 


Clicking on the orderbook appears correct to me, I tried to be very careful when I refactored it and checking now I can't find anything wrong. It uses the Total and the Price for that order to calculate the corresponding Amount. That's how it works on Polo as well as far as I can tell. If you think it should work differently, can you give me an example please?

This is definitely not working properly.  What we want is for the total price of the buy/sell order to be populated with the sum of the prices of each row up to the one clicked.  What you're doing is taking the cumulative number of shares and dividing it by the price of the row clicked.  But that doesn't give the actual number of shares available. 

Poloniex, on the other hand, adds the number of shares row by row the way I'm suggesting.  That's what's good about how they auto-populate the order information.  But then unfortunately, when it comes to the price, they do something similar to what you're doing i.e. they calculate the total buy/sell price by multiplying the total number of shares by the price of the row clicked.  That overestimates the cost of the trade when they could easily give the exact total price of the actual shares available on the order book up to the row clicked. 

In summary, to be as useful as possible, both values (amount of shares to buy/sell, and total price of the transaction) should be sums of the corresponding values in each of the rows up to the one clicked.   This is another case where if we get it right, we'll be superior to the others.  That should bode well for us once we get what I hope will soon be an influx of people looking to trade LISK (and hopefully other assets) here on the DEX.


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@svk: coloring would be great .. give bitassets something premium, like a gold color and the other ones something less brilliant, like a gray/silver... just some thoughts
Yea I played around with coloring too, but it quickly becomes too much. Asset names are displayed in a lot of places and if we color them everywhere it quickly becomes messy, and if we only color them in some places it gets inconsistent.

Color coding is a nice thought but I agree that it will hurt in this instance as much as it helps.   On the other hand, displaying the prefix is definitely helpful.  Also, I think it's a great idea to use a smaller font for the prefix.   Although I would leave the dot between the prefix and the asset name for UIAs because it's actually more readable like that, not to mention more consistent, and also less confusing since BIT is really not a prefix in the same way OPEN and META are. 

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