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General Discussion / Re: Operation DarkNet
« on: February 17, 2015, 06:05:45 pm »
Btw .. noone can prevent anyone from doing business with bitshares. ... :D

Also, with bitshares there is no "official" ..

Exactly. Free speech is still legal for the time being. What others choose to do with the technology is entirely up to them. And all of that aside, if given the option between anonymous street drugs created from who knows what and online merchants who have a reputation to maintain, I'd pick the latter. :)

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General Discussion / Re: Operation DarkNet
« on: February 17, 2015, 04:39:39 pm »
Careful what you wish for.

I think Nurse Mary J would be good place to start...

Yes, very low hanging, lucrative fruit upon which to feed for the growth we require to become big and strong enough to tackle bigger things.

Seeking to openly support illegal commerce in controlled substances is perhaps not the most well-considered strategy for a fledgling technology.

However, the use case for drugs, porn and gambling is undeniable.

So why not go after the legal drug market in Colorado etc., where they are openly seeking banking solutions, and strike out into porn and gambling?

Seems to be a lot of low fruit before we need to knock boots with the dark side.

I understand what you're saying but what is your practical strategy for achieving this? It's one thing to say "go after marijuana dispensaries" and another thing entirely to lay out a blueprint that will make it happen. There are certain prerequisites needing fulfillment before we can effectively move to larger markets. For example, bitUSD liquidity is a BIG obstacle holding back functionality. We have to be realistic about where our technology is currently useful vs. where it will be useful in the future. Building momentum and network effect means starting small and probably in areas most would consider politically incorrect. Bitcoin would have died in obscurity if it weren't for the original Silk Road; indeed dark markets remain Bitcoins primary use case outside speculative investing.

From darkness cometh light.

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General Discussion / Re: Operation DarkNet
« on: February 16, 2015, 09:57:04 pm »
If a customer pays in BTC and then gets a refund after their money was held in escrow as BitUSD, they could get less BTC back than they expect. How would this problem be resolved?

I don't understand your logic. The customer will always get the USD equivalent.

Wouldn't it be so much easier if our dreams came true and everyone just used BitAssets? :)

One step at a time. If an exchange started accepting bitUSD only, nobody would pay with it because they can't easily get it.

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This is delusional.

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Really? Who in their right minds would want to invest in BTER?
BTER is done for, this is their final blow.

Reviving BTER for BTS purposes, is gonna hurt BTS even more.

 +5% Yeah... worst idea ever. A decentralized exchange buys a failed centralized exchange because...?

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General Discussion / Re: Operation DarkNet
« on: February 16, 2015, 06:15:59 am »
Wouldnt the hedge mechanism is the mobile wallet do the job here? They would be using the normal bitcoin wallet forked to alowmthem to hedge in bitassets... Any bitasset they want. Oil gold usd silver etc.. Better support other fiats too for global use. This way we dont need another custom interface and integration use what we got

For storing profits, sure (assuming sufficient liquidity). Using BitUSD as an escrow hedge is the area that interests me most.

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General Discussion / Re: Operation DarkNet
« on: February 16, 2015, 05:16:44 am »
Yeah same barriers.  Wouldn't that indicate they would have to develop their own bts specific escrow system and cart.  Concern is this needs some hands on from the devs to help transition to bts.

Their backend ends to be capable of holding bts no?  This is compelling btw

All they need to do is hold BitUSD on their end. That's it. The customer would pay in BTC like they're used to and the hedging (BTC <--> BitUSD) is seamlessly taken care of on the backend (assuming sufficient liquidity is provided of course). Even the merchants don't have to know how the escrow hedging works because the conversion can be done both ways. Once the goods are received and the customer releases funds to the merchant, the BitUSD can be converted into BTC.

Not many people know this but the original Silk Road 1 did hedging from 2011 to 2013. Read this article.

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General Discussion / Re: Operation DarkNet
« on: February 16, 2015, 04:37:35 am »
Immediate challenges are technical functionality:  getting escrow to work with ease of use and having cart functions.  @Jsidsu what do you think?

All Tor based marketplaces are centralized and use their own escrow system (nobody uses the multisig option in practice). Both Agora and Evolution could use MetaExchanges API to facilitate BTC <--> BitUSD conversion. The only real problem is liquidity. Theoretically they could even fork MetaExchange and do everything "in house", including provide BTC <--> BitUSD liquidity.

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General Discussion / Re: Operation DarkNet
« on: February 16, 2015, 04:26:33 am »
This is what we're going to do:

1. Raise BitUSD awareness on marketplace forums.
2. Create tutorials explaining in detail how to go from BTC --> BitUSD and back again.
3. Post articles on DarkNet blogs such as DeepDotWeb (I'll be a regular columnist from now on).
4. Advertise metaexchange.info once they have BitUSD liquidity.

Do we have people assigned to these tasks already?

I'm just making this announcement now, so not all details are in place.

1. We'll need a dedicated person for his task. Their job will be to frequent the Evolution and Agora forums, helping to educate merchants on how to hedge into BitUSD.

2. Riverhead and myself.

3. I'll be doing regular articles for DeepDotWeb and I'll try to get something on Zero Hedge. If others could help, that would be awesome.

4. To be determined.

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General Discussion / Operation DarkMarket
« on: February 16, 2015, 03:56:11 am »
This is a repost from forum.nullstreet.com

The Problem

1. Escrow. Merchants on DarkNet Marketplaces (Evolution, Agora, etc) have their BTC held in escrow until the goods arrive and the customer releases payment. During this time, merchants are exposed to Bitcoins volatility for 1 - 4 weeks. As a result, merchants have to inflate the price of their goods to compensate for Bitcoins potential volatility. This is the reason drugs on the DarkNet are priced higher than on the street.

2. Storing Profits. Merchants have to constantly cash out of BTC using localbitcoins because they don't want to expose themselves to Bitcoins volatility. Businesses need predictability to stay solvent. Storing profits as a merchant on the DarkNet is obviously a problem in need of a solution.

The Solution

Bitcoin makes a great payment mechanism but for the time being, it's a lousy store of value for DarkNet businesses who need price stability. If a DarkNet merchant could store their profits (and eventually escrow) in BitUSD or BitGOLD, I'm convinced this would:

a) Lead to rapid growth for any DarkNet Marketplace that adopts the practice.
b) Increase the value of BTS as BitAssets gain real adoption.

If BitUSD and/or BitGOLD were adopted as a hedging mechanism by DarkNet Marketplaces, the price of drugs would fall and eventually undercut the street value as merchants would no longer have to worry about Bitcoins unpredictability. I see a future where Bitcoin is used as a payment mechanism and then instantly converted into BitGOLD or BitUSD, allowing merchants to stay in a predictable, stable asset without leaving the pseudonymity of a cryptocurrency and without the headache associated with constantly cashing out on localbitcoins.

Ethics

A lot of people have a knee jerk reaction to the topic of drugs. I want to explain why DarkNet Marketplaces are completely ethical and benefit society as a whole.

a) They offer an eBay style rating system. If a person buys drugs "on the street", rating the dealer isn't an option. You have no idea what the quality of the product is. Are the drugs laced with something? Are they going to kill you? Probably not but it's nowhere near as safe as buying from a reputable merchant on the DarkNet. It's actually common practice for liberty minded chemists to buy some of the harder drugs on these marketplaces to test purity (and publicly post a review for harm reduction).

b) Most western countries have strong patent enforcement, which means you have to go through the traditional system and do not have access to generic versions of the drugs. If you live in the U.S. and do not have insurance, you're mostly screwed. For many, turning to the DarkNet is the only option for obtaining affordable, life saving drugs.

Of course, it's not all roses and butterflies. You can also buy heroin and other "hard" drugs as well. In a free market, this is expected; technology is agnostic and can be used for any purpose. For example, terrorists can use Bitcoin, but that doesn't mean Bitcoin is inherently evil.

Lateral Growth

Once BitUSD and other BitAssets take root on the DarkNet as a hedging mechanism, I predict we'll see BitAsset adoption in lateral markets. Use on the DarkNet will provide us with the network effect, liquidity and consumer confidence needed to jump into entire countries with unstable currencies (Argentina, Venezuela, Russia, etc).

Network Effect is bootstrapped by locating the most fertile soil to plant your flower seed. If you plant the seed in sand, no growth happens; if you plant the seed in the most fertile soil, eventually you'll have flowers everywhere. DarkNet Marketplaces are the fertile soil needed to bootstrap BitAsset network effect.

Operation DarkNet

So long as free speech is still an option in your county, Operation DarkNet is completely legal. It's an educational initiative aimed at raising BitAsset awareness in a niche that desperately needs our technology.

This is what we're going to do:

1. Raise BitUSD awareness on marketplace forums.
2. Create tutorials explaining in detail how to go from BTC --> BitUSD and back again.
3. Post articles on DarkNet blogs such as DeepDotWeb (I'll be a regular columnist from now on).
4. Advertise metaexchange.info once they have BitUSD liquidity.

This is a niche that desperately needs what we offer and they stand to benefit just as much as we do. For better or worse, Bitcoins only utility is for buying drugs on the DarkNet and the only reason it's retained it's value thus far. If BitUSD is adopted as THE hedging mechanism by major DarkNet marketplaces, we will instantly secure a solid number 2 position in terms of market cap. Investors want to see solid use cases so let's give them one.

I can't do all of this myself so I kindly ask that YOU join Operation DarkNet and help see this vision through to the very end.

EDIT: Changed name to "Operation DarkMarket".

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General Discussion / Re: List your PGP public key and experiment with me.
« on: February 16, 2015, 03:39:01 am »
Everyone please be careful to follow best practices with handling your keys, including e.g. backing up revocation certificates if you are submitting to keyservers, etc.

Hey Vikram, do you have a link to some best practices? I'm interested in learning what "revocation certificates" are. I'll do some quick Googling...

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General Discussion / Re: List your PGP public key and experiment with me.
« on: February 16, 2015, 03:35:03 am »

Do you think something like this would make sense to integrate on user profile!?

 +5%

@luckybit

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General Discussion / Re: Bter suspended
« on: February 15, 2015, 01:14:03 pm »
Apparently their BTC wallet was emptied (7300BTC). If you follow the transactions you'll see the coins are being split up. Not good.

http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Bter.com-cold

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General Discussion / Re: List your PGP public key and experiment with me.
« on: February 15, 2015, 12:55:13 pm »
Bah PGP is flawed. It hasnt court on precisely because we have to do this step of sharing public keys.

Thankfully we now have a better solution: registering easy to remember names on a blockchain.

OpenPGP is a protocol that can be made user friendly. The technology is not flawed, only obscured by a learning curve that can (and will) be made easier for the lay user in the future.
Reminder of my prev. post here ...
 You can put the fingerprint into the public field of you bts account

What can be done with a fingerprint? It can't be used to verify an encrypted message can it? I'm genuinely curious.

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There is a wallet in the works by ElMato that will allow payment in BTC but the store of value will be in market pegged assets. This is the killer app the medical marijuana industry (and many others) need. The only issue in the beginning will be providing sufficient liquidity.

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