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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 25, 2014, 10:48:42 pm »

Their marketing is interesting.  Always talk of this little town but with far flung experts in all these fields.  It sets up your interest level quite a bit. 

I won't contrast it with how Dan goes into the origin of his idea, but perhaps a bit of consideration in that area could be useful.

 +5% I agree!

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General Discussion / Re: GET YOUR BTS XT Wallet Here!
« on: April 25, 2014, 10:44:42 pm »
How time flies! summer is coming!!!
I still remember someone said that we would be happy this spring. But I'm not, at all.

I just had my driveway repaved.
About halfway through the task the contractor's paving equipment broke.
All that hot asphalt had to be roughly spread on the rest of the driveway by hand.
Then we had to drive over that mess for a week while the equipment was being repaired.
I wasn't happy.  Not at all.
But they came back and finished the job.
The driveway is much thicker than it would have been.
Everything is smooth and beautiful.
Now I am happy.  I hardly remember the time when I was unhappy.

 :)

You are lucky the week of repairment nobody needed an ambulance ...

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General Discussion / Re: A DAC is a Sovereign Co-op
« on: April 25, 2014, 09:28:55 am »

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BitShares AGS / Re: Today .I made a too bad mistake
« on: April 24, 2014, 11:35:27 pm »
ebit,
Did you sent 'thank you' PTS to some addresses or it was a mistake too?
If not a mistake  - I do not know if you are sending them to those that tried to help to resolve the issue or those slammed by the extra-large donation (as I believe I qualify for both)
But in either case -  Thank you!!


 +5%

ebit  ;)

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General Discussion / Re: A DAC is a Sovereign Co-op
« on: April 24, 2014, 09:13:27 pm »
EVERYTHING with an existing meaning is regulated... :(

Lets slice the Gordian Knot* in half, lets invent a new word and put the meaning we want in... in Greek it is easy... history has proove that!
And it is easy most times to get spelled naturaly internationally... because believe me "sovereign" is not easy to speak out from different countrys they don't speak English....

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 24, 2014, 05:18:38 pm »
Sorry fixed that...

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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 24, 2014, 04:30:39 pm »
Sending them back to the thief?   That makes no sense.   They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief.


ANSWER from bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.340

I think maidsafe could sent the "stolen coin" to mtgox.
Then give market more ipo. :-*

As Dan Larimer (founder of Bitshares) answered to suggestion's like that:

"Sending them back to the thief?   That makes no sense.   They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief."


https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4090.135

Yes , this is good idea.

No it's not, it's by far the stupidest idea yet.

What if one of those intermediary addresses between the "stolen mtgox coins" address and the MaidSafe address is an exchange? The thief dumps some coins on an exchange, and some innocent third party withdraws coins later on and "invests" in ScamSafeMaidSafe. Now MaidSafe hold the coins hostage (not that anyone investing has a signed GPG contract with some indication as to what remedies are available or what arbitration could be accepted) and the poor innocent person is screwed out of their money.

Which is why you should NOT play Bitcoin Police, not even if you believe you have "direct evidence" of someone directly spending coins they have stolen.


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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 24, 2014, 11:54:37 am »
the lead developer briefly says that the tokens could be used to pay for extra storage space.

 +5%

Now it makes sense !!!
It is free for everybody for a specific storage lets say 5 GB (dropbox dies after that)
And for extra storage there is a fee payable in safecoins !!!

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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 24, 2014, 10:13:58 am »
Surly the demand comes from people wanting to use more computer power than they have, and that supply is met by thous with extra computer power selling there spare capacity. The medium of exchange is safecoin?

To my mind its impossible to know if they have a good economic model until we see what people do with the system, will people demand more power than they have (price goes up) or will there be more power than people demand (price goes down).

What could be done with all that processing power? unimaginably virtual worlds? Extremely cheap laptops where you pay purely for what processing power bandwidth you use.

What a great time it is to be alive and see all this unfold and evolve

If they implement bytemaster's advice:
3) charge* users any time they consume more than they produce

* I think it's obvious they must charge safecoins...

how else would it work if you didn't charge users for using resources? If they didn't put that in the white paper it must have been a case of not needing to state the obvious?.... i hope!

The idea of having a token cryptocurrency attached to the system is a fairly recent one, which is why it's not very fleshed out at the moment and not in the whitepaper. In the hangout they did introducing the idea of having a Maidsafe token, the lead developer briefly says that the tokens could be used to pay for extra storage space.

So I guess the first use case will be for users who would like extra storage space, users like myself who currently pay ~2$ a month for Google Drive. We'll see once they actually launch their product.

One thing I don't like though is what bytemaster said about the coin not being divisible. This is not good for transactions, as an appreciation in the coin value would probably have to be taken into account by scaling the service offered rather than the price for the service, which seems a bit more complicated but not impossible. At time t1 you get 10gb/1year for 1 Safecoin, at a later time t2 you'll get 20gb/year for 1 Safecoin as their value somehow doubled, instead of now paying 0.5 Safecoins for the same service. Does that make sense? Maybe having so many coins this will never really be a problem, and 1 Safecoin will never be worth enough for something to cost less than 1..

Take that from bitcointalk forum from member FrictionlessCoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.220

"Safecoins are proxies for Proof of Resources.  So essentially, if you need 120GB then you use SafeCoins to acquire that storage space on the cloud.   

Yes, processing power and storage costs do go to zero,  but we always need more of it.   Look at Bitcoin ASIC hardware, they also go to zero at a pace much faster than processing power or storage,   but we always need more of it.   The point is though,  Safecoin doesn't come for free.  You have to spend something to acquire it.   Bitcoin burns energy by running a useless calculation,  so does every other alt-coin out there.  SafeCoin by contrast, does create something of utility,  that is, it create storage.    The other thing is that, SafeCoin is one of the few coins that provides incentives for running an active node.   Bitcoin by contrast only provides incentive for running a miner.

The point I want to make as to why Safecoin has a unique proposition as compared to alt-coins it is likely the only coin out there that creates something of value as a consequence of 'mining'.   

As to the price,  well.... its pure speculation.
"

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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 24, 2014, 09:24:34 am »
how else would it work if you didn't charge users for using resources? If they didn't put that in the white paper it must have been a case of not needing to state the obvious?.... i hope!

I hope too! But we live in a crazy world...

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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 24, 2014, 08:28:45 am »
Surly the demand comes from people wanting to use more computer power than they have, and that supply is met by thous with extra computer power selling there spare capacity. The medium of exchange is safecoin?

To my mind its impossible to know if they have a good economic model until we see what people do with the system, will people demand more power than they have (price goes up) or will there be more power than people demand (price goes down).

What could be done with all that processing power? unimaginably virtual worlds? Extremely cheap laptops where you pay purely for what processing power bandwidth you use.

What a great time it is to be alive and see all this unfold and evolve

If they implement bytemaster's advice:
3) charge* users any time they consume more than they produce

* I think it's obvious they must charge safecoins...

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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 23, 2014, 08:27:24 pm »
back to work

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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 23, 2014, 07:43:56 pm »
even though the MSC side is closed David Johnston with MSC/bitangels has been responding to posts by angry MSC bagholders by telling them not to worry and to email him because he will "hook them up"
So anyone else who overpaid for MSC and didn't wake up at 3AM for the IPO, email David, maybe he can hook you up.

Give links next time, nobody would believe you if they not allready know that  :)
Mastercoin people are good people  :P

https://www.facebook.com/groups/mastercoin/282284711939016/?notif_t=group_comment_reply

David A. Johnston This is a good question and I can actually provide some clarity here. I was participating from the 3:00 a.m. central time start and pestering David and Nick with questions the whole way through.
The crowdsale went faster than anyone expected is now completely sold out. All the MSAFE tokens (429,000,000) were generated in the first four or five hours (just check the addresses to confirm).
The MSC address came down from the website when the crowdsale was ended. Those MSAFE for sale now are re-sales from the crowdsale.
Some bigger buyers agreed to let the MaidSafe team sell their MSAFE at the crowdsale price (bonus included) so that they could balance out the MSC and BTC ratio they received. Which looks like it will end up around 50% BTC / 50% MSC.
Last I hear there was about 1,500 BTC left for re-sale which can be bought directly off the Safecoin.io website.
It was pretty amazing how fast it went. I'm sure some will be disappointed they missed the window, but our SAFE Network project got a ton of support and it really shows how excited this community is for the project.
If you have MSC and wanted MSAFE shoot me a PM I got more than expected because of the bonus and so I can help a few people out (I'm not charging any fee, I just want to support the community members who believe in this project).

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General Discussion / Re: MaidSafe IPO on Mastercoin
« on: April 23, 2014, 07:35:37 pm »

To improve upon their system I would:
1) eliminate inflation all together and power the network by better unit of account
2) move the responsibility for load balancing and replication to local nodes
3) charge users any time they consume more than they produce

Hope David Irvine will read your advices...
since I am also invested on maidsafe project  :-[

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