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This will not work because there is no real incentive to join other than altruism. People would rather just hold their BTSX. If we want to do any serious amount of funds, we need inflation. It's the only way. If we don't do it, we will lose to competitors that are willing to do what it takes to annex the global monetary system.

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I dont think many people will want to get paid in bitUSD as long as it can't be used for anything. Wages comes waaaaay down the line from where are currently at, IMO.

Hey I would love to get paid in BitUSD when I can get paid by the second. I think there is plenty of demand for this. If I had to spend some I could turn it into Bitcoin and spend that.

The real problem is people have no way to work for BitUSD so there are less holders and savers of BitUSD. Telling people to buy BitUSD doesn't complete the circle because it requires they earn USD or BTC from the inefficient economy.

Yeah, you would like it and there's probably like 20 others on this forum who would like it. But that still isn't real demand

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I dont think many people will want to get paid in bitUSD as long as it can't be used for anything. Wages comes waaaaay down the line from where are currently at, IMO.

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My take on this is that once the bureaucracy realizes it will not have the capability to control the delegates, it's gonna move on. What they will try to make is a sort of closed off blockchain that only banks can run full nodes for. I don't think there's any chance they'd ever go with a truly decentralized system.

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General Discussion / Re: Latest Bitcoin news - Caution Alert
« on: October 10, 2014, 05:44:49 pm »
ITT: this is actually good news!

It's embarrassing to feel like I'm on /r/bitcoin.

No matter if this turns out to be a threat or not, there is no way to currently know. Speculation by anyone not a lawyer is useless. Everyone should prepare for the worst and hope for the best, the I3 team especially so. This is a case of an event that could be ridiculously bad if not anticipated and prepared for properly, worst case scenario being development stalling as energy is siphoned off by legal issues. Bitshares must be a succes, we cannot risk failure or serious setbacks.

I feel like this forum is having PMS mood swings as if the price were female sex hormone levels. It's probably the worst way to react.

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General Discussion / Re: Our most immediate needs: a good wallet
« on: October 10, 2014, 03:45:19 pm »


30 day rule must be implemented now! The community must unite and set up some real bitUSD volume/bots. Having it on an exchange so it is possible to trade bitUSD directly to bitcoin would also be a huge advantage, especially if it could end up becoming the hedge of choice like nuBits has managed to become on bter and ccedk.

I wasn't aware that funds got locked up for that long in shorts. I think the developers are working on bots and this (hopefully). Out of interest, isn't nuBits just another alt-coin that suffers the same volatility issues as Bitcoin? In otherwords there is no way to know in reality where the price will actually end up making its useful as a hedge more a gamble than anything else?

30 days would be the maximum time (not minimum)

That will be the case eventually, but right now they are grandfathered in with a max period of a year. This really needs to be changed IMO, we need better bitUSD volume now so people can begin using it reliably.

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General Discussion / Re: Our most immediate needs: a good wallet
« on: October 10, 2014, 01:35:08 pm »
I agree except with the bitAsset part. BitAssets as a whole are not that important, but bitUSD volume is VITAL. It is the most important thing, the goal should be to have a Coinapult Locks-like experience built into the wallet. Currently that's not the case because of abysmal volume. Buying bitUSD is cumbersome, but the real problem is once you hold them you have to wait something like a year for the old shorts to cover, until then you cannot be certain to get back your money and they'll be stuck in a useless currency.

30 day rule must be implemented now! The community must unite and set up some real bitUSD volume/bots. Having it on an exchange so it is possible to trade bitUSD directly to bitcoin would also be a huge advantage, especially if it could end up becoming the hedge of choice like nuBits has managed to become on bter and ccedk.

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Those of you who ignore MethodX are in for a rude awakening, because he is the sanest guy in this thread. If the initial marketing effort will be an all-in attempt at capturing the "neo&bee market" instantly, then we're in trouble, because that will not work. Old people are not going to buy bitUSD, Argentinians are not going to buy bitUSD. Like I've seen MethodX talking about before, the obvious starting point for us should be open bazaar. A referral program for them would be the perfect way to kickstart bitUSD usage, and should commence the second we have a presentable wallet.

Once bitUSD gains anything close to bitcoins current traction, we've won, because at that point the mass market can begin pouring in. But it's not gonna come in as early adopters.

That being said, credit card on-ramp + prepaid debit card off ramp will be extremely strong and make any sort of marketing immensely easy, so I think it's the right thing to focus on. Honestly, the kind of marketing effort we need right now is the effort of the community, no amount of "talented marketing people" can give us the early userbase we need.

Btw is there a list of the marketing team somewhere?

Finally I wish there was more coherence between the Chinese and English communities. We should be working as one, but are currently in a pretty awkward one-country-two-systems situation. I guess as a mandarin speaker I should be working on this.

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As long as there is barely any volume in bitUSD I see no point in spending effort on getting volume in these other commodities.

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Atomic swaps between chains? Or some sort of holy grail two way peg?

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General Discussion / Re: US commodities futures trading commission
« on: October 09, 2014, 11:06:54 pm »
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David Van Wagner

Heh, gave me a bruce wagner flashback.

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General Discussion / Re: BanxShares
« on: October 09, 2014, 11:05:06 pm »
they lost me at "investing money in bitcoin mining"and selling "bitcoin mining contracts".

If there's a demand for it, then what's wrong with doing it?

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General Discussion / Re: My bitsharesx educational video... please upvote
« on: October 09, 2014, 11:03:37 pm »
bitmarket,

I've got a great topic I think you should cover for your next video.  I came up with this idea this morning and was thinking of writing an article, but I think with your presence and reach, you could turn this into a better video that something I could come up with.

The article / video would be titled 'Is this why an altcoin will never conquer bitcoin?' and it would be about the legend of Satoshi himself.  Its my belief that had Satoshi not been anonymous, and was named Tom Anderson, or Gavin, or whatever, people would not be so blind to recognize Bitcoin's ultimate structural flaws.  I think that the lore of Satoshi really caters to peoples desires of believing in higher powers, superheroes, and good guys in the shadows fighting against the powers that be for the benefit of all mankind, the direct evidence being the billions of dollars being spent in Hollywood on superhero movies.  The community gets very upset whenever some attention seeking individual attempts to unmask him.

I also want to add in this point - do you remember the hacker who hacked Satoshis account and threatened to reveal his identity if the world paid him enough bitcoin?  If that hacker was really that smart, what he SHOULD have done was to buy up as much of a particular coin as possible, then impersonate Satoshi with an 'official' endorsement of said coin. Unless this hacker was broke from the start, he could have cleaned up on such an announcement - instead, he made the hack about himself rather than the money.  Then you can talk about Satoshi vanishing back into the shadows, and speculate if the Bitcoin of today is exactly as he wanted or if he is flexible enough to incorporate new ideas.  Further speculate the belief that this mythological status of Satoshi is why some can't see that just because a brilliant invention opened so many doorways, that everything that's associated with it is the pinnacle of perfection.  To some, its like finding out (SPOILER ALERT) Santa isn't real.

I think a video like this would be very controversial and would draw in a lot of viewers. Its probably not even necessary to mention BitShares.

EDIT: People don't want to know who Satoshi is because they don't want to be let down.

This is so true, the myth of Satoshi is everything, and is a big reason why people are so religious with bitcoin. Funny thing is, Satoshi was involved in the creation of the very first altcoin, namecoin! Satoshi is probably the last person in the world who gives a damn about what particular brand of currency ends up making it, as long as humanity becomes free of financial bonds.

I think many people are so religiously loyal to bitcoin because they feel that it would truly honor satoshi if his original blockchain ends up becoming "it". I, too, think it would be absolutely amazing if it could be pulled off, and is why I still have a tiny amount of hope that bitcoin could hard fork to adopt DPOS before its too late, even if I would gain more profit by bitshares or another 2.0 crushing bitcoin.

Anyway, I think the key is to emphasize that newer coins, in the end, all are bitcoin forks. They're all based, in some way, on satoshis original code, and they're definitely all based on Satoshis truly groundbreaking invention and the essence of his genius: the blockchain. As long as the blockchain makes it in a way that is fair and open, we will have honored Satoshi, and preserving bitcoin with PoW would actually be worse for this since it is more vulnerable to attack or capture by malicious authorities.

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General Discussion / Re: Is the marketing execution in English happening?
« on: October 09, 2014, 10:45:00 pm »
Network effect doesn't happen in days. It happens in months or even years, and the bitshares marketing plan will happen in this timeframe.

And it seems to me that in the cryptoworld, people are very ready to change : the network effect is clearly not the same as for IRL objects. You can't change your samsung into an Iphone, so once you bought it, you're fucked. It's not the same at all for cryptos. People have no reason to be faithful. Owning bitcoins is clearly not as engaging as owning shares : you can transfer all your bitcoins into bitshares overnight, and you will have no awkward social interaction with a banker that will claim he has always been asking for your best interest.

Money flow free in the new world that is built here, and I bet that it will pour to the best solution.

While I don't fully disagree with you, the thing about the barrier-free and fast paced nature of these new systems we are building are also that they have the capability to achieve decentralized consensus on basically anything. Combine this with the necessity for open source and you have terrible hypothetical scenarios such as XCP switching over to DPOS and implementing market pegged assets, or nubits being integrated into peercoin as a market pegged asset.

Just like it is important to not rush anything and especially not rush out an unfinished product, it is also important to realize that we most definitely do not have all the time in the world, and that the crypto space moves insanely fast at an ever increasing rate.

I get slightly nervous when I see core team members express that investing in bitshares is completely risk free with massive guaranteed returns, which is obviously not the case, or dismiss the most dangerous competitors nubits and xcp (only acknowledging NXT as a real competitor). At the same time I also automatically trust the people who came up with DPOS - it is proof they are currently the smartest people in the space - I just think its important to stay alert and prepared at all times.

My biggest wish right now is that the non-contributing community will find something to do. We need to find a way to leverage every single member of the community into ensuring the success of our blockchain.

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General Discussion / Re: BanxShares
« on: October 09, 2014, 09:40:45 pm »
Since they have no fiat currency in the beginning, we MUST have them use bitUSD. It could be the first place where bitUSD starts to gain volume, like nubits has on bter.com

I'd be willing to put up some bitUSD capital to fund a bot there if anyone is thinking of doing this.

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