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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] Blockchain maintenance developer
« on: February 13, 2016, 05:49:43 am »
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General Discussion / Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« on: January 28, 2016, 04:52:15 pm »Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.no ,I think he is right ,so I would support him.
He has too much power, and is getting use of an exchanges votes.
He previously bullied the committee in to suspending forced settlement because he'd done his own maths wrong.
He is very pushy and I think he needs less votes.
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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 04:48:24 pm »2592000(30*24*60*60)suppose we have 1tps volume, we'll support at least 864000(30*24*60*20) transactions per monthIf you are proposing to reduce fee to the level below what a transaction actually costs, you need to compensate the difference out of your pocket. This would be a nice promotion for bitshares.
what's the exact cost of 1 transfer? can you tell me exactly?
we have 25 witness, each witness need a vps cost 20USD/month
the cost is 25*20/864000 = 0.000578703 USD = 0.15 BTS
we have 25 witness, each witness need a vps cost 20USD/month
the cost is 25*20/2592000= 0.000019 USD = 0.05 BTS
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Random Discussion / I am going to go my hometown for Chinese new year, and wish everybody happy
« on: January 28, 2016, 04:38:51 pm »
I am going to go my hometown for Chinese new year, and wish everybody happy
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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:34:16 pm »
About the transfer fee , there are so many discuss , forum is not a good place to achieve the final agreement, since we have voting system base on shares value,
so I suggest that create a new proposal that reduce the fee , and let all of us vote it by shares .
so I suggest that create a new proposal that reduce the fee , and let all of us vote it by shares .
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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:18:07 pm »
we should create produce that user like .
the low price of bts show user do not like this product with high fee , user like lower fee ,
they are so many stupid man ,
do you know why market cap of doge coin is 4 times of bts .
clear-headed please .
the low price of bts show user do not like this product with high fee , user like lower fee ,
they are so many stupid man ,
do you know why market cap of doge coin is 4 times of bts .
clear-headed please .
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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 10:57:26 am »lower transfer is temporary , if there are 10 tps average , we can consider increase transfer fee .@bitcrabIf referrers show us their great performance s for last four months, this debate will be resolved more easily.
Your idea is destructive.
This is what we know for sure that will happen if we go through with your concept:
- it will be the end of the referral program (including the concept of LTM) and all businesses that have based their business plans on this program will be screwed
- it will be the end of OpenLeger and its fiat gateway
- it will be the end of our percentage-based fee initiative
And once again BitShares will confirm its lack of respect for stable rules.
You offer no argument whatsoever why lowering the transfer fee to 1 BTS will help anything.
Your only argument is your belief. So you want to sacrifice all the above just because you believe it will help.
Your "reasoning" is based on this unproved hypothesis:
There are potential users who would like to transfer amounts above the equivalent of $5 but are not doing so because "the fees are too high".
I think this hypothesis of yours is worth exactly this: 1 BTS.
4 months is not enough, people don't change exchanges that easily. They're creatures of habits. Is not easy to come and in 4 months replace major exchanges like that.
We've been though these pumps lately but BitShares volume seems to be growing. From the moment we're growing it's proven we're succeeding as we are atm. No need for change.
Plus people are still working and developing their own stuff. Give time for CCEDK's gateway directly into OpenLedger to develop and gain a bit of traction for example.
Like @jakub said, you're acting under nothing but an assumption with no concrete proof or data. You can't prove your point atm. Not to mention if we're growing which we might do if BTC pumps this summer due to halving, alts growing etc, we don't need to change anything. With these simplu pumps our volume spikes. Sure, it's still small but did you honestly expect it to be that much on a project so despised by anyone and that on top of competing with other coins (other peoples pov) is also competing with exchanges? This simple pumps got us a $50k spike. imagine what happens if there's the huge btc pump during the halving and alts consequently grow too.
We need time, both to prove our or your point. We are developing. Volume reacted fine during this pumps which might be a signal we are slightly growing.
Don't fix what's not broken.
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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 09:10:52 am »I think there are many other business on bts system beside referral program system
There are some good referral program design in Internet times, one example is DIDI(a Uber-like company in China), when one user finish one order, he/she share his inviting code to his friends and get some cashback(have been 5-10CNY), and the friend can also save about 5-10 CNY while using DIDI next time with the code. everyone is happy and the marketing is succesful, surely DIDI will pay for this, but it worth to pay.
Comparing to this, the Bitshares referral program is of bad design. in essence it just let the referral pay to the referrer. I don't think there's referral be happy when he/she understand this clearly. and the observed facts showed this referral program does not work.
There are some good referral program design in Internet times, one example is DIDI(a Uber-like company in China), when one user finish one order, he/she share his inviting code to his friends and get some cashback(have been 5-10CNY), and the friend can also save about 5-10 CNY while using DIDI next time with the code. everyone is happy and the marketing is succesful, surely DIDI will pay for this, but it worth to pay.
Why not introduce this on dac.play first, then we see if it works?
Comparing to this, the Bitshares referral program is of bad design. in essence it just let the referral pay to the referrer. I don't think there's referral be happy when he/she understand this clearly. and the observed facts showed this referral program does not work.
Not true, this is not a pyramid scheme, where you are constantly paying to the referrer, unlike these ponzi schemes you are here able to to achieve a 60% of all the fees from future referred users, an it is obviously only if you do something about it.
The referral will only benefit the ones who market the platform, its as simple as that, and will not really do anything for future resisual income if you decide to lean back and let everyone else do the hard work.
Its time for some action and less time for these constant votes for something very little to base your vote on in any case.
Lets consider this after some unique users ahve signed up on Openledger bts platform this year, then you have a user base worth making a poll on.
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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 07:06:15 am »
I very support this idea,
lower fee is the best way at current step.
bts is just a baby now , do you want a baby can get income ?
lower fee is the best way at current step.
bts is just a baby now , do you want a baby can get income ?
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 如果你能决定，你希望现在的转账费用是多少
« on: January 28, 2016, 12:48:32 am »他随时可以搞来一堆票，要学会在BM的规则下生存，不是挑战他挑战他是一定的，bts要发展 bm一定要退出
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 如果你能决定，你希望现在的转账费用是多少
« on: January 27, 2016, 11:45:35 pm »BTS一路跌下来，很多人心态都变了。这不是大问题，只要witnesses 升级 ，不管 批准代码与否
连野猪都变黑子了，bts形象能好？
大家都想赚钱。这没错。
什么能力做什么事情。
其实现在很多事还是BM说了算。BM不发布新版exe，时代可以2个星期不升级钱包。
我写的代码，要是BM不同意上，就100%上不了。
要想控制他也不实际，他不是愿意乖乖听话的人。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 如果你能决定，你希望现在的转账费用是多少
« on: January 27, 2016, 04:57:03 pm »
他妈的，老子自己都没多少 bts ，从 bts1.0发布以来一直都自费租服务器做节点，
今天在38评论区还被黑子 骂了，
不爽，
今天在38评论区还被黑子 骂了，
不爽，
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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: January 27, 2016, 04:51:44 pm »hi bm any comments for this suggestionI confess to selling from ANGEL today to cover some expenses. Unfortunately, I sold just prior to the big pumphow many bts that ags fund have ? if have how to use this fund , it is belong to who ? ,according to ags donation commitment , it is belong to community, and now many community member do not satisfy with you
On the brighter side super33 appears to be out of BTS to sell.
bm because you make big mistake that hurt bts (maybe it is not my view, it is just the views i get from QQ group ) but this is not important. so do you have right to use ags fund ? i think you do not have right
i suggest that you distory all bts of ags fund (if ags fund have bts). leave the last dignity
so i suggest that you dist
and do you think if you need to give a report to tell pubic the detail of ags funds
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 如果你能决定，你希望现在的转账费用是多少
« on: January 27, 2016, 02:54:33 pm »
推荐人制度并非一无好处，但推荐制度 需要一些前提
1.推荐人制度不能以网络高收费为前提，特别是不能以提高基础转账交易费用为前提。
2.推荐人的获利是建立在增值服务基础上。
将来推荐人制度将来有很应用场景，如果实在要取消我也赞成，我感觉推荐人制度是一个满中性的制度。
BTS现在的处境就是 一个做到了各种基础设施的搞科技园区， 但里面并没有招商引资入高科技公司入驻。
现在要做的就是要增加各种应用功能， 而BM我估计他做底层非常擅长，但做应用层脑袋经常短路；这事真不能指望他了。
1.推荐人制度不能以网络高收费为前提，特别是不能以提高基础转账交易费用为前提。
2.推荐人的获利是建立在增值服务基础上。
将来推荐人制度将来有很应用场景，如果实在要取消我也赞成，我感觉推荐人制度是一个满中性的制度。
BTS现在的处境就是 一个做到了各种基础设施的搞科技园区， 但里面并没有招商引资入高科技公司入驻。
现在要做的就是要增加各种应用功能， 而BM我估计他做底层非常擅长，但做应用层脑袋经常短路；这事真不能指望他了。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 如果你能决定，你希望现在的转账费用是多少
« on: January 27, 2016, 02:31:09 pm »
我希望现在的手续费是 1BTS，
并且建议现在的手续费根据TPS 来调整，（TPS : transaction per second)
TPS 越低手续费就越低。
比如
TPS fee
0-5 1BTS
6-50 2BTS
51-100 4BTS
101-200 8BTS
201-400 16BTS
401-1000 32BTS
这样既可以在交易量低的时候 也低手续费吸引用户，又可以在将来交易量大的时候，收手续费来让网络盈利。
并且建议现在的手续费根据TPS 来调整，（TPS : transaction per second)
TPS 越低手续费就越低。
比如
TPS fee
0-5 1BTS
6-50 2BTS
51-100 4BTS
101-200 8BTS
201-400 16BTS
401-1000 32BTS
这样既可以在交易量低的时候 也低手续费吸引用户，又可以在将来交易量大的时候，收手续费来让网络盈利。
