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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2015, 06:46:15 am »
At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.

time out man. i am not ignoring the spam issue (read through all my comments and you will see one of the first things i said was that we already planned on moving to pm notifications after the testing phase was completed).  I am saying that what one person perceives as valuable is not what another does and we should be careful to put a bunch of rules in place to specifically keep people from creating and sharing on our SOCIAL HUB. Far better imho for the community to do the SAME THING they do with other forms of abuse--take it on a case by case basis.

to say i am advocating anything else is disingenuous.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2015, 06:48:54 am by fuzzy »
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2015, 06:52:46 am »
At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.

use ignore button -> spam gone
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2015, 07:16:46 am »
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...

Fuzzy, I'm not into cutting anybody off. Nowhere in my post did I mention anything like this. 6-12 months from now, everyone will come to the same conclusion, which was that we wasted time and resources on crapcoins when we could have promoted our top products and achieved some traction in the marketplace. How would we do so now? By ignoring the crapcoins and hoping they go away, tipping instead in BTS, USD, GOLD, and the things that count, currencies/assets that we as a community want to introduce to people.

When you build a building, you don't make it a mile wide; you lay some strong pillars and build upon them. If you wish, add to it later, once it's standing tall and strong. For the record, I think Freebie's post is EXCELLENT, every word of it. That post is REALLY well written.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2015, 07:23:25 am by donkeypong »

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2015, 07:26:09 am »
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...

Fuzzy, I'm not into cutting anybody off. Nowhere in my post did I mention anything like this. 6-12 months from now, everyone will come to the same conclusion, which was that we wasted time and resources on crapcoins when we could have promoted our top products and achieved some traction in the marketplace. How would we do so now? By ignoring the crapcoins and hoping they go away, tipping instead in BTS, USD, GOLD, and the things that count, currencies/assets that we as a community want to introduce to people.

When you build a building, you don't make it a mile wide; you lay some strong pillars and build upon them. If you wish, add to it later, once it's standing tall and strong. For the record, I think Freebie's post is EXCELLENT, every word of it. That post is REALLY well written.

Hey donkeypong.  I am not against you doing that?!  So I am unsure why you are against others doing something they want to do so long as it doesnt force you to do something you Don't Want to do. 

This is not a building.  This is a community and a decentralized one that is supposed to be here to change the world and help adhere to the principles of freedom and free markets.  If someone wants to create a shitcoin and pass it out, people will not use it...it will fall in value...and the person passing it out will eventually either stop sending it out or try to make it valuable. 

Why do you guys insist on forcing others to NOT send out tokens simply because you do not think they are valuable?
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2015, 07:33:27 am »
At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.

use ignore button -> spam gone

It's still spam for people who aren't logged in.

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2015, 07:48:14 am »
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...

Noone's saying lets take the bot down completely Fuzzy.
They are rightfully discussing the implications of improving the design / delivery mode of the bot.
While I don't concur with the thread owner's (fav's) view, I believe there is space to find the balance between utility and design.
I have personally never opposed brownie promotions because I have seen you try to add value to them.
Can we say the same about every coin on here?


At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.

Rightfully mentioned. The design  / delivery of the bot can be revamped to accommodate the sentiments of these users.
It doesn't necessarily mean taking down the bot -just edits here and there.
We could discuss this internally and make it happen.


The way I see it, Bitshares is having an "image" issue at the moment.
On one side is CNX woo'ing banks and the lot  - so we need to come off as professionals (or do we? )
On the other side is the struggle to attain the average users - gamers, web surfers etc, so we need to be accomodative and intuitive to the average internet joe.
And somewhere in between there's a crowd that's all about web security, liberty, freedom and all that - discussing drugs? 
Its a common thing to have in communities and companies.
Even FS is having that issue off late -with us starting off with gaming in our core, being a web dev in between and dabbling with fintech off late.
Finding that fine balance between quirky and professionalism is going to be tough.

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2015, 08:00:55 am »
Why do you guys insist on forcing others to NOT send out tokens simply because you do not think they are valuable?

lulz

afaict most people think the original "crapcoin" is BROWNIE.PTS. [member=11011]tonyk[/member]

I don't understand the issue with the rest of us having our own "crapcoin" to mark our scent on those we like.

What's really perplexing is the fact that I got the idea for CRAPCOIN from a dozen or so others here using the word "crapcoin" repeatedly.

And guess what, not a single person complained when they used the word. That's what's so damn odd.

No one said a word all of this time when other people used the word "crapcoin" on the forum, but as soon as a UIA shows up called CRAPCOIN, suddenly it's offensive, it will drive people away and on and on.

The cognitive dissonance is soooo strong on this forum at times it's baffling and hilarious at the same time.

To be honest I don't really care what any of you think about the UIA's I gave my own money to create and helped fund the BitShares network by doing so.

Basically I just threw money at the BTS network so I could have some fun and spread some joy among those I like or those that contribute to the BTS network.

If the complaint is "teh spam!" from the bot, it's been said at least a dozen times already, just ignore the damn tip bot!

If you don't like seeing people give out tokens of appreciation, ignore those users too, it's actually a very simple solution that takes a few seconds.

If you just don't like me, which appears to be the case since no one complained about the word "crapcoin" until I created the UIA, guess what IDGAF.

Put me on ignore and save everyone else the hassle of having to read your whining about how others spend their money on the BitShares network.

If you didn't want people to create UIA's why the f do you let people create UIA's? 

BitShares : "Hey we're BitShares and we have UIA's!!!"

Users : "Great I'll come to BitShares and spend my money to create some fun UIA's, like Dan did."

BitShares : "DAFUQ IS THIS!?!! BAN THIS PERSON!!!"

Most of you guys/gals crack me up and sadden me for the future of BitShares at the same time.

On top of all that nonsense, your mod banned one of the largest stake holders in the system over some childish comments he made in English, which doesn't appear to be his native language, and the approving handful cried "abuse!".

Great job guise!

You guys enjoy banning your largest stakeholders over a rant and see where that gets you over the next 6 months.

OK, I'm done ranting myself for a few months. Rejoice!

You can go back to your cognitive dissonance and overreactions without me pointing it out to you, for awhile.  ;)

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2015, 08:05:10 am »
Noone's saying lets take the bot down completely Fuzzy.

Look at the name of the poll bro...It doesn't get much more obvious. 
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2015, 08:08:14 am »
Yea so?
Just because there's a poll doesn't mean it has to happen.

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2015, 08:14:02 am »
I haven't read this thread.

The way tipping is currently handled is essentially spamming the forum.

Outside the forum, it's also not good for BitShares image when

1. You tip someone on or outside this forum and people take the time to find out what it is and discover the tip has no value.
2. You tip someone and it is does have value but not enough to cover the transaction fee to convert it. 
(This can only be solved by lowering  the TX fee for claiming tips.)

In order to solve no.1

To avoid spamming, a forum, or outside tip should have a minimum value. 





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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2015, 08:30:07 am »
2. You tip someone and it is does have value but not enough to cover the transaction fee to convert it. 

As I informed Amanda @ The Daily Decrypt, HODL!

Accumulate more tips until it's worthwhile to cashout or just pass them around if you like.

Have any of you ever used Dogecoin?

It's as if this entire tipping culture is foreign to most of the people here.

Tips are a Community builder. The token doesn't need to have any value whatsoever.

The fact that you received a gift from someone that cared about what you did is the value!

Some of you seem like the kind of people who get a cheap gift from Grandma over the Holidays and as soon as she leaves the room, "What a piece of crap! Can you believe she bought me this ugly ass T-Shirt!", to the other ungrateful bunghole in the room.  :P

Edit : Well damn, I didn't last 10 minutes, lulz.
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2015, 08:35:03 am »
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...

Fuzzy, I'm not into cutting anybody off. Nowhere in my post did I mention anything like this. 6-12 months from now, everyone will come to the same conclusion, which was that we wasted time and resources on crapcoins when we could have promoted our top products and achieved some traction in the marketplace. How would we do so now? By ignoring the crapcoins and hoping they go away, tipping instead in BTS, USD, GOLD, and the things that count, currencies/assets that we as a community want to introduce to people.

When you build a building, you don't make it a mile wide; you lay some strong pillars and build upon them. If you wish, add to it later, once it's standing tall and strong. For the record, I think Freebie's post is EXCELLENT, every word of it. That post is REALLY well written.


Thank you for the kind words mate.
I'd like to add to what I stated. Every product has this "cycle" of confusion in regards to its user cases and identity over a period of time. Instagram had users uploading porn, twitter had individuals botting them and facebook had the entire fiasco of fake identities. Its normal. To cut down a product, on basis of a few downsides is incredibly wrong, especially when there have been well over 3000 Transactions generated as a result of the platform. As a marketing tool, the bot stands out to be at the forefront thanks to its ease of use. Even in the forum, the bot is  a means of crowd-funding and transferring value. We cannot put a poll on the future and decide upon it. The reason why companies like google, twitter etc win is not because they have a poll that says "Yes/no" -but rather a hands on approach on looking into what the potential solutions are. Keeping in line with the same line of thought, here is one solution.


. A plugin could show the number of tips received by the post right below the post, instead of the need for a seperate post each time the bot delivers a tip. This can be a tiny emoji at the bottom of the post. On hovering over it, it would show who tipped what and how much.

I don't think new members will be hindered by the emotions and meme's here.
What do you expect to attract them with ?
Financial charts and stories of losses due to lack of updates?

Keep the community vibrant and active, its the only thing that's going to help this community grow. By instilling rules and dictatorship across the board, you are solely limiting what his community can be. Where has 2 years of dictatorship taken us anyways ? Can we statistically prove that there has been an increase in adoption ? We can realistically do that with the bot over a period of time.

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2015, 08:43:10 am »
short break .. watch and smile :)
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2015, 08:52:04 am »
Just an idea I had for some middle ground, it might be better if tipping was confined to a single thread. Tips and confirmations all in one spot,  and only forum tips generated in that thread would actually work. Those who want to tip because someone said something significant, can quote or post a link to the comment next to the tip code in the tipping thread. This would be good for a few reasons, but in the very least, when I click 'Show unread posts since last visit', I wouldn't be alerted to a tip confirmation post.

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2015, 08:52:13 am »
What do you expect to attract them with ?
Financial charts and stories of losses due to lack of updates?

  :P

Keep the community vibrant and active, its the only thing that's going to help this community grow. By instilling rules and dictatorship across the board, you are solely limiting what his community can be. Where has 2 years of dictatorship taken us anyways ? Can we statistically prove that there has been an increase in adoption ? We can realistically do that with the bot over a period of time.

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