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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #210 on: July 13, 2016, 04:10:49 am »
Can someone please ELI5 Dan/STEEM/BTS for me?

I noticed STEEM going parabolic on CMC today, thought I'd check out the latest epic pump'n'dump and found Dan at the bottom of the rabbit hole. Not something I expected.

Then I hit Bitsharestalk and find a whole lot of pissed off folks with a pretty consistent sentiment that Dan has absconded with knowledge/experience/ideas funded by the PTS/AGS investors (of which I am one) and is using them to enrich a small, centralized cadre of "Steemit"(?) developers/investors via a heavily pre-mined coin apparently designed to game CMC. Also not something I expected.

Finally, it appears that although Steemit would not exist without Bitshares technology/codebase and substantial contributions from Bitshares lead developer (Bytemaster), there is currently no clear roadmap for a share drop on the PTS/AGS/BTSX/BTS folks. Definitely not expected!

I'm currently trying to maintain an open mind, as I continue to believe in Dan's vision and talent, but from where I'm standing this situation is pretty much ass end opposite of everything Bitshares stands for.

Help an old guy out, thank you!

Lol oh man oldman, you've honestly got pretty much the jist of it right there. Whether or not Dan returns and/or STEEM ever or in any way ends up benefitting BTS remains to be seen.

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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #211 on: July 13, 2016, 04:31:26 am »
I cannot believe people are complaining about steem.....

bitshares is increasing in price n steem/bts on openledger is almost 50k......

certainly dan will not kill bts telling to his market maker dealing steem/bts using openledger

thanks dan, whatever what you do or...do not
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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #212 on: July 13, 2016, 04:45:23 am »
I cannot believe people are complaining about steem.....

bitshares is increasing in price n steem/bts on openledger is almost 50k......

certainly dan will not kill bts telling to his market maker dealing steem/bts using openledger

thanks dan, whatever what you do or...do not

I have no complaints about Steem per se, though to be completely honest I'm old and after a couple hours of reviewing Steem's website/whitepaper/stuff I still have absolutely no idea what it does, why it has value or why so many of the Bitshares dev's are investing time/effort in the ecosystem (other than as a very ironic means of raising development capital for Bitshares, in which case my faith in Dan remains intact).

Investment is not about assets or products; when one invests, one invests in people.

My concern is that my investment in Bitshares, which to this point has been primarily an investment in Dan and Stan, may be jeopardized by this ridiculously abrupt pivot in focus.

Any investor worth their salt needs to know why the captain suddenly jumped ship to run first mate elsewhere....

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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #213 on: July 13, 2016, 04:46:49 am »
Can someone please ELI5 Dan/STEEM/BTS for me?

I noticed STEEM going parabolic on CMC today, thought I'd check out the latest epic pump'n'dump and found Dan at the bottom of the rabbit hole. Not something I expected.

Then I hit Bitsharestalk and find a whole lot of pissed off folks with a pretty consistent sentiment that Dan has absconded with knowledge/experience/ideas funded by the PTS/AGS investors (of which I am one) and is using them to enrich a small, centralized cadre of "Steemit"(?) developers/investors via a heavily pre-mined coin apparently designed to game CMC. Also not something I expected.

Finally, it appears that although Steemit would not exist without Bitshares technology/codebase and substantial contributions from Bitshares lead developer (Bytemaster), there is currently no clear roadmap for a share drop on the PTS/AGS/BTSX/BTS folks. Definitely not expected!

I'm currently trying to maintain an open mind, as I continue to believe in Dan's vision and talent, but from where I'm standing this situation is pretty much ass end opposite of everything Bitshares stands for.

Help an old guy out, thank you!

The sharedrop was promised by Invictus company .

And STEEM is run by STEEM company .

So . it's ok not to drop on it .
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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #214 on: July 13, 2016, 04:51:18 am »
I am going to speak openly and honestly.

Steem and Bitshares have nothing to do with one another. "YET"

Steem is testing its ground, and it is doing very well.  While it seems this is a great time to get a synergy going...

https://steemd.com/distribution

There is "only" 18,000 users on the system as of this post.  That's 0.00001% of the internet population.

This is NOT the time to introduce them to bitshares, while they are growing exponentially.  Allow the userbase to grow 100X and then put effort forth.

So all of you (and me) BTS holders, knowing what Bitshares can do... need to wait.  Don't cloud the growth of steem pushing something like us forward.

Many of them don't even know what Bitcoin is (until now) and now we want to promote Bitshares?

Timing is everything... Bitshares isn't going anywhere, and neither is steem..  Use timing in your favor.


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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #215 on: July 13, 2016, 05:23:19 am »
Can someone please ELI5 Dan/STEEM/BTS for me?

I noticed STEEM going parabolic on CMC today, thought I'd check out the latest epic pump'n'dump and found Dan at the bottom of the rabbit hole. Not something I expected.

Then I hit Bitsharestalk and find a whole lot of pissed off folks with a pretty consistent sentiment that Dan has absconded with knowledge/experience/ideas funded by the PTS/AGS investors (of which I am one) and is using them to enrich a small, centralized cadre of "Steemit"(?) developers/investors via a heavily pre-mined coin apparently designed to game CMC. Also not something I expected.

Finally, it appears that although Steemit would not exist without Bitshares technology/codebase and substantial contributions from Bitshares lead developer (Bytemaster), there is currently no clear roadmap for a share drop on the PTS/AGS/BTSX/BTS folks. Definitely not expected!

I'm currently trying to maintain an open mind, as I continue to believe in Dan's vision and talent, but from where I'm standing this situation is pretty much ass end opposite of everything Bitshares stands for.

Help an old guy out, thank you!

in the beginning, it was told it is bytemaster alone, but if you look into the whitepaper you find any bitshares CNX codername i know, so he took the whole team with him and left bitshares without preperation on his own. only svk is left as a sole contributor to the codebase and the guys from blocktrades (and they are also heavily in steem).

because they promised to give away 10% for every future project, they gamed the words and just frontmined the whole steem project and they will tell you "there was nothing to give and you could mine by your own" - true - but every none technical guy was thrown away.

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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #216 on: July 13, 2016, 05:44:31 am »
The sharedrop was promised by Invictus company .

And STEEM is run by STEEM company .

So . it's ok not to drop on it .

I have to say this is a very strange response from someone who's been around as long as you have. Steem/Steemit/Steemit Inc. is running on code and talent developed for Bitshares. Dan's pitch, and the reason so many invested in PTS/AGS, was that the code base could be used to bootstrap an entire ecosystem of blockchain based projects. Investors would fund development of the initial code base and in return would receive a share in future projects.

The world is a harsh place and I would expect some to profit by abusing the 'social contract' upon which investment in PTS/AGS was premised via any number of schemes (ie. we changed the name on the sign and are no longer on the hook) but to be completely honest the lead dev is the last person I would have expected to do this sort of thing.

Those of us that invested in Dan's vision in the early days did so because his vision was sheer genius - design a generic platform which could be used by others to build an entire economy of block chain based businesses. By funding the creation of the generic platform investors could share in the success of the businesses that were built on top of it.

Steem/Steemit/Steemit Inc. seems to be the first profitable (?) realization of Dan's vision and hot damn, it's hard to believe the Bitshares folks are being left to hang.

Yes, BTS seems to be seeing some buying of late. Yes, the 'select few' that followed Dan are enjoying an influx of capital. All good things. But the social contract that was supposed to transcend the legal/political/corporate fuckery that defines the current state of the world seems to have been shat upon.

Say it ain't so! I've held my investment through brief highs and long, long lows because I believe Bitshares has real potential to level the playing field, globally. Hopefully Dan is having his Skywalker moment of doubt and is dabbling in the dark side.

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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #217 on: July 13, 2016, 05:53:37 am »
Can someone please ELI5 Dan/STEEM/BTS for me?

I noticed STEEM going parabolic on CMC today, thought I'd check out the latest epic pump'n'dump and found Dan at the bottom of the rabbit hole. Not something I expected.

Then I hit Bitsharestalk and find a whole lot of pissed off folks with a pretty consistent sentiment that Dan has absconded with knowledge/experience/ideas funded by the PTS/AGS investors (of which I am one) and is using them to enrich a small, centralized cadre of "Steemit"(?) developers/investors via a heavily pre-mined coin apparently designed to game CMC. Also not something I expected.

Finally, it appears that although Steemit would not exist without Bitshares technology/codebase and substantial contributions from Bitshares lead developer (Bytemaster), there is currently no clear roadmap for a share drop on the PTS/AGS/BTSX/BTS folks. Definitely not expected!

I'm currently trying to maintain an open mind, as I continue to believe in Dan's vision and talent, but from where I'm standing this situation is pretty much ass end opposite of everything Bitshares stands for.

Help an old guy out, thank you!

in the beginning, it was told it is bytemaster alone, but if you look into the whitepaper you find any bitshares CNX codername i know, so he took the whole team with him and left bitshares without preperation on his own. only svk is left as a sole contributor to the codebase and the guys from blocktrades (and they are also heavily in steem).

because they promised to give away 10% for every future project, they gamed the words and just frontmined the whole steem project and they will tell you "there was nothing to give and you could mine by your own" - true - but every none technical guy was thrown away.

 to my knowledge , even for technical people, the process was still a pain in the ass.
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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #218 on: July 13, 2016, 06:15:22 am »
The sharedrop was promised by Invictus company .

And STEEM is run by STEEM company .

So . it's ok not to drop on it .

I have to say this is a very strange response from someone who's been around as long as you have. Steem/Steemit/Steemit Inc. is running on code and talent developed for Bitshares. Dan's pitch, and the reason so many invested in PTS/AGS, was that the code base could be used to bootstrap an entire ecosystem of blockchain based projects. Investors would fund development of the initial code base and in return would receive a share in future projects.

The world is a harsh place and I would expect some to profit by abusing the 'social contract' upon which investment in PTS/AGS was premised via any number of schemes (ie. we changed the name on the sign and are no longer on the hook) but to be completely honest the lead dev is the last person I would have expected to do this sort of thing.

Those of us that invested in Dan's vision in the early days did so because his vision was sheer genius - design a generic platform which could be used by others to build an entire economy of block chain based businesses. By funding the creation of the generic platform investors could share in the success of the businesses that were built on top of it.

Steem/Steemit/Steemit Inc. seems to be the first profitable (?) realization of Dan's vision and hot damn, it's hard to believe the Bitshares folks are being left to hang.

Yes, BTS seems to be seeing some buying of late. Yes, the 'select few' that followed Dan are enjoying an influx of capital. All good things. But the social contract that was supposed to transcend the legal/political/corporate fuckery that defines the current state of the world seems to have been shat upon.

Say it ain't so! I've held my investment through brief highs and long, long lows because I believe Bitshares has real potential to level the playing field, globally. Hopefully Dan is having his Skywalker moment of doubt and is dabbling in the dark side.

It ain't so. Do some research. There are innumerable people still working on BitShares, and many of the people working on Steem are also very active in BitShares. If Steem had not been invented, BitShares would have ground to a halt because their were no development funds, and some of the devs NEED TO EAT, and NEED TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN.

There are some very "entitled" people in BitShares who think they are owed something beyond what had been produced by the time development funds ran out (and further funding through dilution - a very common business practice, as in new funding rounds - could not get the required votes).

And look at BitShares Munich, one of the leading sources of BitShares development now.  It has brought in thousands of dollars of bitshares development funds for itself BY POSTING ABOUT IT ON STEEMIT.COM and getting upvoted there (when it couldn't raise enough funding by selling its OPENPOS asset on the DEX).

The ignorance sometimes displayed in this forum is stifling.

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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #219 on: July 13, 2016, 06:31:36 am »
The sharedrop was promised by Invictus company .

And STEEM is run by STEEM company .

So . it's ok not to drop on it .

I have to say this is a very strange response from someone who's been around as long as you have. Steem/Steemit/Steemit Inc. is running on code and talent developed for Bitshares. Dan's pitch, and the reason so many invested in PTS/AGS, was that the code base could be used to bootstrap an entire ecosystem of blockchain based projects. Investors would fund development of the initial code base and in return would receive a share in future projects.

The world is a harsh place and I would expect some to profit by abusing the 'social contract' upon which investment in PTS/AGS was premised via any number of schemes (ie. we changed the name on the sign and are no longer on the hook) but to be completely honest the lead dev is the last person I would have expected to do this sort of thing.

Those of us that invested in Dan's vision in the early days did so because his vision was sheer genius - design a generic platform which could be used by others to build an entire economy of block chain based businesses. By funding the creation of the generic platform investors could share in the success of the businesses that were built on top of it.

Steem/Steemit/Steemit Inc. seems to be the first profitable (?) realization of Dan's vision and hot damn, it's hard to believe the Bitshares folks are being left to hang.

Yes, BTS seems to be seeing some buying of late. Yes, the 'select few' that followed Dan are enjoying an influx of capital. All good things. But the social contract that was supposed to transcend the legal/political/corporate fuckery that defines the current state of the world seems to have been shat upon.

Say it ain't so! I've held my investment through brief highs and long, long lows because I believe Bitshares has real potential to level the playing field, globally. Hopefully Dan is having his Skywalker moment of doubt and is dabbling in the dark side.

It ain't so. Do some research. There are innumerable people still working on BitShares, and many of the people working on Steem are also very active in BitShares. If Steem had not been invented, BitShares would have ground to a halt because their were no development funds, and some of the devs NEED TO EAT, and NEED TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN.

There are some very "entitled" people in BitShares who think they are owed something beyond what had been produced by the time development funds ran out (and further funding through dilution - a very common business practice, as in new funding rounds - could not get the required votes).

And look at BitShares Munich, one of the leading sources of BitShares development now.  It has brought in thousands of dollars of bitshares development funds for itself BY POSTING ABOUT IT ON STEEMIT.COM and getting upvoted there (when it couldn't raise enough funding by selling its OPENPOS asset on the DEX).

The ignorance sometimes displayed in this forum is stifling.

thanks for your view of an "insider".

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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #220 on: July 13, 2016, 06:42:40 am »
The sharedrop was promised by Invictus company .

And STEEM is run by STEEM company .

So . it's ok not to drop on it .

I have to say this is a very strange response from someone who's been around as long as you have. Steem/Steemit/Steemit Inc. is running on code and talent developed for Bitshares. Dan's pitch, and the reason so many invested in PTS/AGS, was that the code base could be used to bootstrap an entire ecosystem of blockchain based projects. Investors would fund development of the initial code base and in return would receive a share in future projects.

The world is a harsh place and I would expect some to profit by abusing the 'social contract' upon which investment in PTS/AGS was premised via any number of schemes (ie. we changed the name on the sign and are no longer on the hook) but to be completely honest the lead dev is the last person I would have expected to do this sort of thing.

Those of us that invested in Dan's vision in the early days did so because his vision was sheer genius - design a generic platform which could be used by others to build an entire economy of block chain based businesses. By funding the creation of the generic platform investors could share in the success of the businesses that were built on top of it.

Steem/Steemit/Steemit Inc. seems to be the first profitable (?) realization of Dan's vision and hot damn, it's hard to believe the Bitshares folks are being left to hang.

Yes, BTS seems to be seeing some buying of late. Yes, the 'select few' that followed Dan are enjoying an influx of capital. All good things. But the social contract that was supposed to transcend the legal/political/corporate fuckery that defines the current state of the world seems to have been shat upon.

Say it ain't so! I've held my investment through brief highs and long, long lows because I believe Bitshares has real potential to level the playing field, globally. Hopefully Dan is having his Skywalker moment of doubt and is dabbling in the dark side.

It ain't so. Do some research. There are innumerable people still working on BitShares, and many of the people working on Steem are also very active in BitShares. If Steem had not been invented, BitShares would have ground to a halt because their were no development funds, and some of the devs NEED TO EAT, and NEED TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN.

There are some very "entitled" people in BitShares who think they are owed something beyond what had been produced by the time development funds ran out (and further funding through dilution - a very common business practice, as in new funding rounds - could not get the required votes).

And look at BitShares Munich, one of the leading sources of BitShares development now.  It has brought in thousands of dollars of bitshares development funds for itself BY POSTING ABOUT IT ON STEEMIT.COM and getting upvoted there (when it couldn't raise enough funding by selling its OPENPOS asset on the DEX).

The ignorance sometimes displayed in this forum is stifling.

thanks for your view of an "inside
r".

Aren't you the guy who took month after month of pay from the blockchain to fund his own bitshares-related business startup? And then shut it down?

Yours is the type of ignorance that I am talking about. And your constant negativity and bitterness are not only stifling, but counterproductive.


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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #221 on: July 13, 2016, 09:23:19 am »
wait so let me get this straight the graphene technology no longer requires by license to give 10% back to BTS (pts/ags) holders?

full disclosure i do own a little bit of BTS

but i'm also interested in using the code and not having to pay for it.

please advise.


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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #222 on: July 13, 2016, 09:50:54 am »
also can someone explain the relationship between buying/selling steem on bts and openledger?

does openledger run on top of the btsx network? so there might be some benefit from this? even if the licensing is open game now for all (which is not necessarily a bad thing)

lol i mined PTS in early november 2013 but all these constant changes are a bit hard to keep up with.  ;D

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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #223 on: July 13, 2016, 01:02:46 pm »
I am going to speak openly and honestly.

Steem and Bitshares have nothing to do with one another. "YET"

Steem is testing its ground, and it is doing very well.  While it seems this is a great time to get a synergy going...

https://steemd.com/distribution

There is "only" 18,000 users on the system as of this post.  That's 0.00001% of the internet population.

This is NOT the time to introduce them to bitshares, while they are growing exponentially.  Allow the userbase to grow 100X and then put effort forth.

So all of you (and me) BTS holders, knowing what Bitshares can do... need to wait.  Don't cloud the growth of steem pushing something like us forward.

Many of them don't even know what Bitcoin is (until now) and now we want to promote Bitshares?

Timing is everything... Bitshares isn't going anywhere, and neither is steem..  Use timing in your favor.


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Re: [ANN] [STEEM] Introducing Steem, Looking for Witnesses / Miners
« Reply #224 on: July 13, 2016, 01:26:01 pm »
I cannot believe people are complaining about steem.....

bitshares is increasing in price n steem/bts on openledger is almost 50k......

certainly dan will not kill bts telling to his market maker dealing steem/bts using openledger

thanks dan, whatever what you do or...do not

I have no complaints about Steem per se, though to be completely honest I'm old and after a couple hours of reviewing Steem's website/whitepaper/stuff I still have absolutely no idea what it does, why it has value or why so many of the Bitshares dev's are investing time/effort in the ecosystem (other than as a very ironic means of raising development capital for Bitshares, in which case my faith in Dan remains intact).

Investment is not about assets or products; when one invests, one invests in people.

My concern is that my investment in Bitshares, which to this point has been primarily an investment in Dan and Stan, may be jeopardized by this ridiculously abrupt pivot in focus.

Any investor worth their salt needs to know why the captain suddenly jumped ship to run first mate elsewhere....

No abrupt pivot in focus.  Dan has been transparently discussing ways to stay in business since last fall.
This has been part of the plan for six months and everyone here has been kept in the loop every step of the way.
Read my posts since March 14th, here and on Steemit if you don't want to be caught by surprise.

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