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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2018, 11:53:53 am »
How do we coordinate payment of the listing fee?

I have five ready to go - three of them are good options, two (LATOKEN and RightBTC) I've been told to hold off on for now due to uncertainties over them.

There are two top 20/top 25 (depending on the time of day / week) which agreed to 6BTC / 8 BTC for bitCNY & bitUSD. I can change those to BTS and bitCNY and we can have them up by Christmas if we want.



Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?

I agree to pay listing fee and bounty to lobbyist from this worker proposal, it's reasonable.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2018, 12:44:50 pm »
Then how about coinsuper.com and idax.pro? both of them are top 20 exchanges, but I am not sure about their real volume. They ask for not much, 4-5 bitcoin. As I know coinsuper is a Hongkong exchange with license and fiat channel.

I spoke to IDAX a few weeks ago, they were keen to list BTS but not bitCNY at the minute. Where did you get the 4-5BTC figure from? Typically their fees were quite a bit higher than others (12 BTC + depending on the number of pairs).


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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2018, 07:37:52 pm »
Don't get me wrong.
Why do you guys focus on top 50 CMC based exchanges.
Instead try real exchanges which are not top 50 CMC but with real history and real user base.
IDAX is sending everyone a listing request.What does it bring to get listed on IDAX if the real volume will be like 1000 bitcny per day.

Wasting funds just because they are top 50 CMC instead looking for legit exchanges which are not top 50 as they don't wash trade so heavily is something i don't understand.
Do you want to bring real value or do you just wanna create an image based on fake volume


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Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

How many new users will exchanges like RightBTC,IDAX,Sistemkoin,Latoken etc bring ?
Compare that to the amount of new users which it would bring spending that amount of BTS in Marketing or legit exchanges and i doubt you will even get 1/10 on these exchanges .

Maybe it would be worth that you guys check the volume of these exchanges for new listed coins.
Its either none or a very high one (wash trading) where in reality you won't be able to even sell $1000 worth of coins/assets without crashing the price to nirvana

A good example RightBTC.Ranking number 22 which has BTS listed.
Trading volume for BTS in the past 7 days is ZERO .
So we are going to pay now the listing fee of bitassets and a bounty of 500k BTS and what volume do you realisticly expect that these bitassets will get when nearly all assets there have zero real volume.
LAtaken,Cointiger,IDAX,Sistemkoin etc all the same.
What value does it bring to get there listed ?
In my eyes these funds would be wasted for getting bitassets listed on these kind of exchanges which basicly exist and fake volume to find idiots who will pay for their listing fee's which is their main income.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2018, 08:11:39 pm »
Why do you guys focus on top 50 CMC based exchanges.
Instead try real exchanges which are not top 50 CMC but with real history and real user base.

Have you got a list of non-top 50 exchanges fitting this category? Let's get in touch with them and get listed.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2018, 09:01:41 pm »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2018, 05:48:36 am »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

nice job..

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2018, 06:41:22 am »
At what point did "marketing Bitshares" become "listing BTS on more exchanges" ?

Listing a token in more places does not automatically increase its value and interest. 
  • It could actually decrease its value as exchanges hold large BTS holdings and they could get hacked, or front-run their users, or manipulate the posted price.

We already have gateways to move value in/out of our dex.

Please go back to advertising, and marketing bitshares ideas.  Like coindesk, etc.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2018, 06:46:13 am »
the point here is not "listing BTS in more CEX", but "open bitCNY/bitUSD markets in more CEX".
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2018, 08:09:40 am »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.

Nice way of looking at it - Alexa ranking should definitely be considered for exchanges we are looking at as a bit of a sanity check.

Actually gives some interesting info on where people are coming to Bitshares from as well.. DPOS.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org


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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2018, 11:40:23 am »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

Nice job. If we have option between livecoin and for example coinsuper, then I will support livecoin, but we don't. The question is, if we have an opportunity to have coinsuper to list bitCNY, should we accept it or refuse it?
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2018, 05:36:58 pm »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

Nice job. If we have option between livecoin and for example coinsuper, then I will support livecoin, but we don't. The question is, if we have an opportunity to have coinsuper to list bitCNY, should we accept it or refuse it?

Depends on the bounty and price you need to pay.Cointiger won't make much real volume on bitcny and there should be always the question can these funds be used in a more effectiv way.
In my opinion there are currently many nice solutions which will have a way bigger effect for the same cost like listing on cointiger.
Exchanges like hitbt or bit-z would be nice but getting there is not as easy as the fake exchanges.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2018, 05:33:26 am »
At what point did "marketing Bitshares" become "listing BTS on more exchanges" ?

Listing a token in more places does not automatically increase its value and interest. 
  • It could actually decrease its value as exchanges hold large BTS holdings and they could get hacked, or front-run their users, or manipulate the posted price.

We already have gateways to move value in/out of our dex.

Please go back to advertising, and marketing bitshares ideas.  Like coindesk, etc.

One thing that I have been trying to do is use Twitter to share things that are going on in the ecosystem. The handle is @BTS_maximalist

Currently has ~900 followers.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #72 on: January 07, 2019, 01:54:07 pm »
NAME:   bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
WORKER HANDLER:   smartcoin-marketing (a committee owned account)
TOTAL:   9M BTS
DURATION:   2018/11/10 - 2019/2/7 (90 days)
DAILY PAY:   100K BTS
WORKER ID:   1.14.129

Hi Bitcrab, was this worker active for a period and what funds did it accumulate?

Everything is on hold now due to Refund 400k but if there are some funds for this we could proceed with a listing.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2019, 06:45:53 am »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

LaToken has a fake volume generated by the exchange itself + numerous complaints through listings reported in Japan.

What is the number and what is the reality are 2 completely different things, and I suggest before anyone proceed with burning the funds based on Google research without a single interaction with mentioned exchange or at least account with some more experience to be proved - just forget about it.

Most important thing, this was about listing of BitUSD and BitCNY, where USD is currently under BS and not eligible for any listing at all.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2019, 08:08:38 am »
I would like to update the status of the work on our side.

We contacted coinsuper exchange and prepared a lot of documents for listing bitCNY&BTS(thanks to the Foundation), however, bitCNY was rejected at the final step, as we don't have legal opinion letter for it, though they are interested in listing BTS itself. They recognized bitCNY as one kind of derivative, instead of utility token.

It's bad but it means it's more necessary to make bitCNY liquid on CEX ASAP, considering the more and more conservative regulatory environment all over the world, and more and more legal stable coin competitors (USDT USDC TUSD....)

We will move on to next exchange which has roughly same ranks with coinsuper.
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