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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2019, 08:38:50 pm »
I have applied 436,406 BTS from smartcoin-marketing for the whole bitCNY&BTS listing work on biki.com. This fund includes the listing fee and bounty reward. Due to NDA with biki.com, the exact number can not be disclosed publicly, but I have shared it within the committee group, and you can estimate it through the total amount.

Other than the listing fee, the rest is used to reward the lobbyists, including @guoan(founder of "BTS 100 cities 100 shops plan", main contributor), gbac(Linda, Jademont, organizer and coordinator). Also, possible transaction fee for providing liquidity at the first month and marketing fee are also included.

By 'applied' do you mean requested? I can't see Biki on CMC.

I have listing options in top 50 but there is no clarity on how funds are applied for. I've messaged Bitcrab but no response.

Please excuse my English.


Here is the summary of my working flow with biki.com:

1\Guoan introduced this exchange to me, I did some basic research about its reputation, trading volume, rank, etc...(one-two weeks)

2\Then we contacted the exchange to get more details, including listing fee and conditions.(one week)

3\ Then we prepared and submitted the application form to the exchange, after the exchange confirmed, I asked for the comments from community and committee. (one week)

4\We then prepared the listing agreement(in English), and then contacted BitShares Foundation (one week)

5\ After the Foundation revised and confirmed the final agreement, get it back to the exchange. (two weeks)

6\ Both the Foundation and exchange signed the agreement.(One week)

7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

8\Pay listing fee to the exchange, and help them with technical issues and marketing.(one week)

9\ Announce it to the community

Thanks Ripple. Appreciate you laying it out clearly - can you private message me the address you used for the Committee/Foundation?

I have to admit guys I'm pretty disappointed by this. I arranged listing within a few weeks of this going live and communicated to the Committee the following options:
- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing
- Hotbit Listing
- LATOKEN listing


All of these were sent through to the Committee and the Foundation with no response received. All of these are Top 50 and I submitted them for consideration with draft agreements. I don't mind people saying this exchange is not good or that exchange is not good but all of these were willing to list bitCNY, bitUSD and BTS.

What am I doing wrong here? I think I fulfilled the requirements of the worker so I am a bit disappointed a payout has been made for a listing that doesnt meet the stated requirement.

NOTE: Listings are good and I think we need more, I don't know about Biki.com and am not saying it is a rubbish exchange. I am also not saying I wanted listing on all four exchanges I provided I just don't understand what I am meant to do to actually move things forward as it feels like I wasted a lot of time getting these draft agreements just to be ignored.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2019, 08:44:02 pm »
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?

Appreciate you taking a look at this as it really doesn't feel right to me - I put some pretty serious time in getting listing agreements in place and really I met the criteria 4 times over but got nothing back from anyone in the Committee/Foundation so it is really surprising to hear there has been a payout to someone else for an exchange that doesn't meet the basic criteria.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2019, 08:58:35 pm »
I'm pretty sure you got no reply as they considered them not worth getting listed for a bounty because of the negative feedback here.So more it surprises me they approved the shit exchange biki.com .Even sistemkoin is far better than biki .

It has a reason why this operation has been done not in public but was announced after the deal was closed.


Thats also why schiessl posted this question if i understood him right

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The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.


Jademont again left a bad taste like before where he approved all proposals from the OMO fund blindly.


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I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?
« Last Edit: March 20, 2019, 09:44:45 pm by Thul3 »

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #93 on: March 21, 2019, 07:21:19 am »
Please post the names of the signing committee members,  for the record.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #94 on: March 21, 2019, 09:44:02 am »
I've personally assisted Mathew over the past 2,5 months in assembling correct agreements, proper approach and to not rush during the bitUSD Black Swan. I would appreciate any reasonable explanation for this, since yeah...

- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing

these 2 were gold mines. LATOKEN has shitty organization and fake volumes so it wasn't my choice of support at the time, but still... biki ?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #95 on: March 21, 2019, 10:28:25 am »
I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

« Last Edit: March 21, 2019, 10:34:56 am by matle85 »

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #96 on: March 23, 2019, 04:39:15 pm »
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)

I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.

@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?

As the exchange will only list bitCNY after receiving fund, so we have to send money to them first. An improvised makeshift  is that the lobbyist covers the loss/pay it back if bitCNY got delisted or the exchange miss the criteria within 60 days.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #97 on: March 23, 2019, 05:17:04 pm »
Once again the community has been excluded to voice their opinion on the proposed exchange even the worker clearly said it needs to be posted public before a request of funds can be made.

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People who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby, if finally the exchange open smartcoin market, the lobbyist need to provide evidence that it’s his/her work that make things happen.


Its a waste of BTS which will bring only wash trading and nothing more.
I'm tired of always these smart scammy moves to reach personal goals.

Please stop spamming with fabricated facts, thanks. I don't want to slap your face but everyone can check the time I announced that "will move on to another exchange having similar rank with coinsuper(Feb 19th)", the time I announce biki in the post (March 16th)and the time I proposal the fund transfer(March 18).

Also, you may check the transaction history, the fund didn't go to my account, instead, it goes to exchange to sell for listing fee, lobbyist, marketing, and the rest is reserved for marketing making. I have shared the listing/payment agreement within committee group. Those documents can not be shared publicly due to NDA with the exchange.

The bitCNY on biki will facilitate with the quantitative and hedging trading of bots, therefore, it's really important to have one exchange to list bitCNY ASAP.   

I would really suggest you stop wasting time complaining on other people's work but do something meaningful to the community, for example, contact a better exchange.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #98 on: March 23, 2019, 05:22:18 pm »
I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

I appreciate your work. Since the left fund is about 1.6 million. Personally I think it's still enough to cove the cost of a top exchange(top 10) and a medium exchange(top 40). what do you think?
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #99 on: March 23, 2019, 06:06:26 pm »

I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

I appreciate your work. Since the left fund is about 1.6 million. Personally I think it's still enough to cove the cost of a top exchange(top 10) and a medium exchange(top 40). what do you think?

The remaining fund is definitely enough to cover listing + bounty for two top 40s...IDAX are very expensive but are an option.

I will reach out to committee members with the cost breakdown for each of the four - I am happy to present options and for any that have enough committee support to proceed

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #100 on: March 23, 2019, 08:11:18 pm »
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Please stop spamming with fabricated facts, thanks. I don't want to slap your face but everyone can check the time I announced that "will move on to another exchange having similar rank with coinsuper(Feb 19th)", the time I announce biki in the post (March 16th)and the time I proposal the fund transfer(March 18).

You can slap as many times as you want as you will never find such actions from me like you did.
First of all you broke once again the worker protocol which clearly says
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"People who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby"
Posting something like i'm going to work on a similar exchange what did you mean ?An exchange with 99.5% fake volume ?

You first time mentioned the name of the exchange on march 16 to the community and instantly after 24h informed that you already applied for  436,406 BTS .
On that same day i already replied its a shit exchange with 99.5% fake volume so other people could check it themself and make their own opinion.
I never ever would have thought you would get the next days already the applied funds else i would instantly post all evidences what a shit exchange you got.

You posted you spent 2 weeks on researching on biki.And you were unable to see the 99.5% fake volume ?Or the low customer rating ?
Or the bought traffic to their website?You missed all red flags ?What did you even checked?
Did you even checked their telegram group ?
Each second comment scam accusation against Biki.
Maybe you can answer this user question
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why the price of each token registered with BIKI continues to fall to 1000% or more. and there has never been a price reversal, whether all the projects here are almost all bad


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The bitCNY on biki will facilitate with the quantitative and hedging trading of bots, therefore, it's really important to have one exchange to list bitCNY ASAP. 
An exchange with no liquidity ?What does it bring to add bitcny to a VERY low rated exchange with no real customers and liquidity ?Its only bot trading and nothing more.
Something like that doesn't bring liquidity but just destroys the name of bitcny if it needs to be listed in such shit exchange.

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I would really suggest you stop wasting time complaining on other people's work but do something meaningful to the community, for example, contact a better exchange.
I said it before NO decent exchange with real liquidity will touch bitcny without legal work.There are only 2 exchanges which may would take bitcny but surely not for 250k bts /$12.5k .

But since you claim your work is so meaningful maybe you can tell me where exactly will be the benefit for bitcny getting listed on an exchange with 99.5% fake volume and one of the worst chinese customer rating ?
Cause i'm unable to see it.

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I appreciate your work. Since the left fund is about 1.6 million. Personally I think it's still enough to cove the cost of a top exchange(top 10) and a medium exchange(top 40). what do you think?
Top 10 exchange ?
Did you ever assisted in getting listed a coin in a top 10 exchange?
Am asking cause your claims seems to me dream thinking.

I tell you something no top 10 exchange is going to touch bitcny for $50k expacially without legal papers .

Does it mean we need to take shit exchanges instead ?No it means there should be systematic work done to get on one decent exchange bitcny listed and exectly for that was the bounty and not for an exchange which from nowhere jumped up in the last 2 months thanks to bought traffic and wash trading.

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The remaining fund is definitely enough to cover listing + bounty for two top 40s...IDAX are very expensive but are an option.
Employes from IDax went to any project even shit projects and scam projects asking and begging to get them listed for a listing fee.

Latoken now listing scam coins which can't get listed anywhere else.

I really don't understand you guys how you can destroy the image of bitshares quality in such a way.


Instead of focusing on shit exchanges just to get the bounty i would recommend doing some real work and contact daniel from hitbtc as example and start negotationg.If Dai was able to get listed there bitcny has a good chance too because hitbtc has 2 out of 3 future world currencies listed and is missing the third one CNY.


BTW did you even checked once from where DAI as example gets real liquidity and from where 99.8% fake volume ?
You mentioned HitBTC being way worse than Biki....how does it come that even on your rating website https://www.feixiaohao.com/exchange/ HitBTC has 4 star rating where biki has 1 1/2
 

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I would really suggest you stop wasting time complaining on other people's work but do something meaningful

Since you attacked me personly let me ask you directly ....what meaningfull did you do ?
Ohhh i forgat we had the big amounts of OMO funds being margin called because 3 committee member signed proposals against consensus and worker description.
How many million BTS have the bitshares community lost because of them?How many bitusd/bitcnymargin holders have lost nearly everything because of the big debt ?
Yes very meaningfull but surly not responsible.

And this one was in my opinion a bounty grab and nothing more as i doubt you were unable to see the red flags if you would really care about a decent listing.


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Top 50 in coinmarketcap  Adj.Vol(24h) ranking 

It should never have been approved in the first place as not even listed on CMC
You are clearly hurting bitshares with your selfiness


Btw can you tell me why Biki has no offical adress or company info listed on their website ?


their instagram with 3 followers
https://www.instagram.com/bikicoin/


Would really love to know what you checked in 2 weeks
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #101 on: March 24, 2019, 02:52:33 pm »
I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

I've personally assisted Mathew over the past 2,5 months in assembling correct agreements, proper approach and to not rush during the bitUSD Black Swan. I would appreciate any reasonable explanation for this, since yeah...

- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing

these 2 were gold mines. LATOKEN has shitty organization and fake volumes so it wasn't my choice of support at the time, but still... biki ?

Chee®s

guys I appreciate your work, now what I got is:

1.the worker is voted out and now there's only 1.62M BTS left.
2.seems LATOKEN is not a good choice?

so I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit  and work on that following the process defined in this thread, make sure the left fund can cover the cost for listing.

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« Reply #102 on: March 24, 2019, 04:24:04 pm »
I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:

LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)

The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).

I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.

I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki :)

I've personally assisted Mathew over the past 2,5 months in assembling correct agreements, proper approach and to not rush during the bitUSD Black Swan. I would appreciate any reasonable explanation for this, since yeah...

- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing

these 2 were gold mines. LATOKEN has shitty organization and fake volumes so it wasn't my choice of support at the time, but still... biki ?

Chee®s

guys I appreciate your work, now what I got is:

1.the worker is voted out and now there's only 1.62M BTS left.
2.seems LATOKEN is not a good choice?

so I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit  and work on that following the process defined in this thread, make sure the left fund can cover the cost for listing.


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Please post the names of the signing committee members,  for the record.


Based on your account history is it right that you signed the proposal for biki ?

Would like to know why because it doesn't fullfill the requirements which were posted in the worker and also the procedure was not correct.
It looks like a night and fog action where the proposal to move vesting funds were created on the same day were the name of the biki was the first time even mentioned.

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There is a 60 days observation period, if the smartcoin markets are kept open in these period, then the highest  Adj.Vol(24h) rank of this exchange in coinmarketcap in these 60 days will be used to determine the reward.


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I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit
Did you checked them ?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #103 on: March 25, 2019, 07:42:48 pm »


I've personally assisted Mathew over the past 2,5 months in assembling correct agreements, proper approach and to not rush during the bitUSD Black Swan. I would appreciate any reasonable explanation for this, since yeah...

- IDCM Listing
- Exrates Listing

these 2 were gold mines. LATOKEN has shitty organization and fake volumes so it wasn't my choice of support at the time, but still... biki ?

Chee®s

guys I appreciate your work, now what I got is:

1.the worker is voted out and now there's only 1.62M BTS left.
2.seems LATOKEN is not a good choice?

so I think you can select CEXs from IDCM, Exrates, and also HotBit  and work on that following the process defined in this thread, make sure the left fund can cover the cost for listing.

Thanks Bitcrab - the agreements are with the Foundation for review in case any changes would be needed before signing.

The remaining fee is sufficient to cover listings and bounties for 2-3 options.

Thule is also reaching out with some of his connections in case there is another good option there we can arrange.

Today has been a good day with UPbit! A really strong exchange and addition for listing BTS :)

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2019, 03:21:30 pm »
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Start proper marketing instead overpaying exchange listing.
Hey thul3, I have repeated a few times that you have to consider price and quality altogether, biki.com is not a top exchange, but it's good choice to start with. NO ONE stopped you from contacting top exchange, just go for it and start your show, I'll appreciate anything you DO for the community, talk is cheap. But let me tell you, I have reached most of them, they would like to see bitCNY on some smaller exchanges first, and then reconsider it. BTW, the listing fee of biki is lower than all exchanges that matle85 mentioned, so I don't think it's overpaid.

If you think only top exchanges meet your spec, you should reject the worker at day one, not now. Since the worker proposal was approved, that means the community agree that top 40 exchanges are qualified. Also, everyone knows that fake volume exists in most of the exchanges, I've never argued that, therefore,  if you want to prove I am wrong, you should prove that 40 other exchanges have bigger volume than biki.com, instead of spamming this post with transaction history of biki. I hope your education allows you to understand the logic here. If not, I'll explain it again.


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You posted you spent 2 weeks on researching on biki.And you were unable to see the 99.5% fake volume ?Or the low customer rating ?
Or the bought traffic to their website?You missed all red flags ?What did you even checked?
Did you even checked their telegram group ?

An exchange with no liquidity ?What does it bring to add bitcny to a VERY low rated exchange with no real customers and liquidity ?Its only bot trading and nothing more.
Something like that doesn't bring liquidity but just destroys the name of bitcny if it needs to be listed in such shit exchange.

First of all, 99.5% is a number that you fabricated, show us the proof. I have been trading there since a few weeks ago, the mainstream coins have good depth, higher than BTS platform at least. Probably you don't know that GDEX spends over 20k bitCNY each month to hire a professional team to provide liquidity in BTS platform and do arbitrage between different exchanges. Previously cointiger provides bitCNY trading pair, but there is problem with withdraw/deposit. So it's important to have another exchange to list bitCNY ASAP.

According to feixiaohao.com, biki.com ranks 15 in terms of volume, ranks 30 in terms of star rating(same as coinbebe,kkcoin,yobit, higher than IDCM, lbank), ranks 32 in terms of followers. It meets the "top 40 exchange criteria" in all aspects.

Destroy the name of bitCNY? Are you kidding me or are you mad?   all shit exchanges have BTC, does it destroy the name of bitcoin?


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I said it before NO decent exchange with real liquidity will touch bitcny without legal work.There are only 2 exchanges which may would take bitcny but surely not for 250k bts /$12.5k .

Define real liquidity first. If 250k is not enough, we could increase it to 2.5M, only if it worth it, it's up to the community to decide, anyone can propose an independent work to fulfill that target.  But please do it, talk it cheap.

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Top 10 exchange ?
Did you ever assisted in getting listed a coin in a top 10 exchange?
Am asking cause your claims seems to me dream thinking.

Binance and huobi listed BTS due to our effort, not your barking, thanks.

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Instead of focusing on shit exchanges just to get the bounty i would recommend doing some real work and contact daniel from hitbtc as example and start negotationg.
Why don't you do that? Because you are a criticizer-plus-non-deliver?  I'll support it if someone makes deal with hitbtc, though personally I don't like this exchange.

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Ohhh i forgat we had the big amounts of OMO funds being margin called because 3 committee member signed proposals against consensus and worker description.
off topic, no response. You may start a new topic to attack me on this. It was a failure experiment with good intention, the result is that BitShares is more healthy.

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Btw can you tell me why Biki has no offical adress or company info listed on their website ?
I don't get why this question is so important to you that you have to make the font bold. Isn't that normal that crypto trading platform hide their private info from public? Can you find the address of Binance from website?  But we have the phone number and company info of biki in the agreement which was shown only within committee group due to NDA.
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