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Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] North American BitShares Conference
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2019, 04:11:54 pm »
Thanks for the answers. I take it that the answer for B) then is that there is no escrow? I'm not asking this to be annoying, I'm asking this considering the background and what would benefit the worker the most imo.

Here are more comments :)

1. The pro forma mentions costs and possible incomes. Can you please state clearly what the maximum budget required from the blockchain?
2. You talk about Keynote, does that mean BitShares will be able to present a Keynote at WCC?
3. You mention DEVCON that is supposed to be happening at the same time. What is the difference, and are there any details known?
4. Will you be seeking sponsors, and if so would that reduce the amount that will be taken from the blockchain similar to DevCon?

EDIT: Because it just popped in my head in the other marketing worker: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28444.msg330767#msg330767

5. How will the invoicing happen? I would hate to see VAT appearing that is then being billed to the blockchain. Did you look into this by any chance already? If you are confident that will not be the case, disregard this  last question please.

Answers posted in OP as an update.

Side note - Yes on sponsors as well, in which case those funds would offset any cost to the blockchain.

The entire conference is Bitshares based - so a lot of speakers and keynotes will take place. We aim for this to be a very well rounded event for the entire Bitshares community.

Thanks for the answers, found them now. For 2 a follow up: Keynote I meant at the WCC main event, not at the BitShares pre-conference. Is that the keynote you were referencing?

How do you estimate the attendance for a Sunday and Monday considering that the main event is thereafter? I'm not familiar with american conference planning especially from employers side (people would miss the whole week).

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Great questions Stefan! I asked the organizers and the are open to us doing a Keynote, there are two rooms hosting keynotes at WCC so there are options. Also, Stan Larimer is already speaking so just need to discuss some logistics. I'll tag you in the telegram as we work out those details and post the outcome of that discussion here on the forum as well.

As for attendance, it's a bit hard to say, however, we can make an effort to poll the audience for interest and make some guesstimates. I will say that Bitcoin/Blockchain conferences are an ecosystem in and of themselves and it seems like people live for those things haha. So, usually people are able to take the time off due to working in the industry itself, however, I've met non-crypto industry people who will usually attend a day or two depending on their schedule. The fact that it's partially on a weekend might actually work in our favor from that standpoint.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] North American BitShares Conference + WCC DEV CON
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2019, 08:12:50 am »
Oof, been so busy, I only got a chance to go through this thread now.

Overall, I support our presence in WCC as I believe this kind of exposure will be great for BitShares, especially if combined with a marketing push....which thankfully I see people slowly getting into, see Stefan's worker (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27747.0), thul3's proposal (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28444.0)  and Bench's proposal (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28495.0).

We definately need more workers like this (or even a larger one if anyone's up for it).

As far as the NABC at the same time is concerned, the base costs are really good. I don't see a marketing/promotion budget for it however. If we want people to come/register/participate in the hackathon, a promotion budget will be needed.

Also, there is mention of a possible profit from this event. What will be done with it?

I'd like to see a "promoted" poll/questionnaire we can all share via steem/twitter/etc. to better judge interest and evaluate the potential of an NABC.


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Re: [Worker Proposal] North American BitShares Conference + WCC DEV CON
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2019, 09:02:47 pm »
Yay! Thanks for your vote of confidence and guidance.  8)

Completely agree on marketing budget, will think on that now.

As for profits, I think we should return this back to the community since we would be front-loading the expenses for ourselves internally as well as paying EVOLV for their services out of the BitShares coffers. Frankly the videos of sessions **could** be an ongoing possible income stream (for BitShares) that the general (non-BitShares public) might be interested in purchasing after the fact.

We did a poll in Telegram which indicated people seemed to like Vegas as a venue for it and the 27-28th timeslot:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ez-mK-oWSQ3WMb7xymatjL3zgH8LGYC6/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-VMYZ9N6Vl39X69T7w7Wswu8HEXuhLxE/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-UrokeT_QS8Xve0Y9c8punu-Gjp8StLi/view?usp=sharing

Happy to run some additional ones if you think that would help. Any questions in particular we should ask?

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Here is the doc that was linked in the on-chain worker proposal
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fQWuIZY_odslF40IhD8Hybf_-0KuFWaZcA6355_tREI/edit

Please note that BTS is not an appropriate abbreviation for BitShares. BTS is the core token, and that usage causes confusion (and has caused a lot of confusion especially in the regulatory area). I would suggest to not use that abbreviation for any kind of marketing.
Furthermore it was mentioned there would be an escrow, but from the account that has created the worker it it seems that this idea was abandoned. Could you please comment on that?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2019, 07:19:00 am by sschiessl »

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Any update?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] North American BitShares Conference + WCC DEV CON
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2019, 08:14:24 pm »
Yay! Thanks for your vote of confidence and guidance.  8)

Completely agree on marketing budget, will think on that now.

As for profits, I think we should return this back to the community since we would be front-loading the expenses for ourselves internally as well as paying EVOLV for their services out of the BitShares coffers. Frankly the videos of sessions **could** be an ongoing possible income stream (for BitShares) that the general (non-BitShares public) might be interested in purchasing after the fact.

We did a poll in Telegram which indicated people seemed to like Vegas as a venue for it and the 27-28th timeslot:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ez-mK-oWSQ3WMb7xymatjL3zgH8LGYC6/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-VMYZ9N6Vl39X69T7w7Wswu8HEXuhLxE/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-UrokeT_QS8Xve0Y9c8punu-Gjp8StLi/view?usp=sharing

Happy to run some additional ones if you think that would help. Any questions in particular we should ask?

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Thanks for voting in this Worker Proposal! (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fQWuIZY_odslF40IhD8Hybf_-0KuFWaZcA6355_tREI/edit)

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In an effort to give back to the community based on our collective success, we propose that all profits be given back to the community fund (if there are no outstanding expenses from unforeseen collateral or attendee expenses).

This would include ticket sales and the sale of the videos of sessions which will be released sometime after the event and post production and sold for a given $USD value. (No more than 30 days after)


"all profits be given back to community fund"

How to calculate the "profits"? I think it should be "all revenue minus all expense" that to be given back.

If expenses are fully covered by the worker fund, all revenue should be given back.

If there are some worker funds not spent, they should be given back as well.

In short, to give back profits, worker funds should be counted as revenue.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2019, 01:13:22 pm by abit »
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I tried to contact nearly all offical organizers to get an offical statement if the workers funds will be counted as revenue or anything else.

Since i still got no offical answer on that question i will revoke my vote till this is cleared.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2019, 10:42:11 am by Thul3 »

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Thanks abit. Seems reasonable that worker funds considered income in the conference budget.

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Thanks for the thoughts and input on this important discussion.

As stated in the original worker, all excess funds (revenues) with be returned to the community (beyond expenses needed to put the conference on).

We are considering the worker funds provided to be revenue as well as as ticket sales and sponsorships. Expenses will be deducted from this #. If there are extra funds left over after this calculation, they will be returned to the community.

So Revenues - Expenses = Final Profit or Loss number (if positive we will return it to the community) There is also a chance that the conference could run at break-even or a loss which will be noted in the final accounting with the Move Institute.

Please confirm and let us know if this is in line with your expectations of the use of the funds.

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Thanks for the thoughts and input on this important discussion.

As stated in the original worker, all excess funds (revenues) with be returned to the community (beyond expenses needed to put the conference on).

We are considering the worker funds provided to be revenue as well as as ticket sales and sponsorships. Expenses will be deducted from this #. If there are extra funds left over after this calculation, they will be returned to the community.

So Revenues - Expenses = Final Profit or Loss number (if positive we will return it to the community) There is also a chance that the conference could run at break-even or a loss which will be noted in the final accounting with the Move Institute.

Please confirm and let us know if this is in line with your expectations of the use of the funds.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Thanks, sounds reasonable to me, and also aligns with how I understood it.

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On behalf of Move Institute (Escrow), following actions has been taken:

- 645,090.41020 BTS was withdrawn from Worker Vesting (- fee 50.52054 BTS).
- EVOLV agreed to be paid in LTC, and our choice was LTC due to partnership of LTC and EVOLV for WCC 2019.
- Institute is trading against open.LTC on the DEX for few days without having any ability to collect amount needed for deposit payment. Currently there is 21.15718996 LTC successfully traded at the price between 2050 BTS and 2010 BTS per 1 LTC.
- Institute will be moving equivalent of 8000 USD to Poloniex account registered and KYC'ed with Milos Preocanin (me) in order to acquire missing LTC for the first/deposit payment. Export of trading history will be provided and posted here. LTC and remaining BTS will be returned to the DEX by the end of the working week (current worker account @healingvibes420).
- Institute will trade CNY for the worker team hours with agreement of the worker team. BitUSD/BTS market don't have healthy price or volumes to be traded against.
- Institute was paid 3530 CNY for the services done until now.
- All the market sharing fees will be withdrawn and sent back to the blockchain.

As soon as the first round is done, more detailed information on the worker status will be published.

Move Institute is uploading new website that will have transparent accounting for BitShares holders similar to workers.bitshares.foundation. We expect website to reflect changes/updates by 15. August 2019.

Due to NDA and real-life laws/regulations - for the review of signed agreement, please send request to [email protected]

For more info on the activity of escrowed account please visit

https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/account/healingvibes420

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