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Having a bit of trouble this morning.  I didn't receive my withdrawal.  I'll update when bter has it cleared up.

Yeah me too, I'll go to sleep and update in the morning.

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General Discussion / Re: Back to observer, not a poster
« on: July 28, 2014, 11:57:21 pm »

Maybe if I3 burns their holding of BitsharesX that they got from the donated funds BitsharesX would be worth at $20 million.

Anyone else agree that they should burn their BTSX?

You must be joking? You're saying you want them to burn their stake?  Who do you think makes the foundation for these DAC's, the tooth fairy?

I don't know how much equity they've got but I'm concerned from the delegate approval feature in the wallet that it could be less than 10%. I hope it's not, as to me that's a problem on the other side, from an incentive and even security point of view.
If that is the case, I would encourage the use of BTC funds from AGS to buy more BTSX for the developers making the foundation for it. Especially given the good value it represents now.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing - 1st wave
« on: July 28, 2014, 03:40:00 pm »
You should probably be marketing to two types day traders and finance/VC's with more capital.

For day traders, you would find out what the 4/5 most popular trading forums are. Make a post that outlines what X is and what it's advantages are and ask for feedback. We should get a good idea from that how likely they are to start trading once it becomes fairly functional. (You could also try to incentivise 'hero members' on their forum to try download and use it, if they like it they'll promote it and if not you will get some very valuable feedback)

The marketing director for DAC's unlimited should be presenting to more high profile people, so giving a presentation/phone call to secondmarket for example with a follow up. You could also contact people who were bidders for Bitcoin that were recently auctioned. You only need a handful of these people to get the potential.


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Hi Freeworm, any chance you'll be raising the withdrawal again limit soon?

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RDPOS has really grown on me, now that I get it more, really like it now. 

Also impressed issue was seen so quickly and addressed. 

Far too hard for the average  shareholder to handle a very large selection themselves and considering many shareholders will be customers even more so. So good.  +5%

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General Discussion / Re: BitAsset Market Manipulation Security
« on: July 27, 2014, 11:22:12 pm »
+ 5% I don't pretend to understand these things, but sounds good, much more comfortable having those limits in the beginning.

why not include marketdephs as a parameter?

for example

we could bind the max contract size to the marketdephs at that moment starting with a minimum contract size.

like only 1000 BitUSD are sold and bought in the past, the max order size per account could only be X BitUSD. So for one account here is not a problem anymore.
I am aware that this idea could not prefent fraud from more than 1 account but this kind of problem you will have all the time.

Any attacker with significant capital could harm the network with anything other than price feeds or a large player acting as market maker.    Price feeds give us "low-cost" protection against attacks that likely prevents the attacks from happening in the first place and leaving us with a market-pegged asset.

Don't know about this, but what about volume of trade limits set by 51% of the delegates? Like only $X per hour. It's set at a level that would almost never be breached unless it was being done as an attack and is constantly raised as the trading pair becomes more popular. 

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You guys don't get it :)  Daniel simplifies to say mining = burning money but does not recognize that it is not percieved as such.  If you could achieve same-mining-power-per-person at no percieved additional cost to the person, you give them a way to become a part of it (a stakeholder) without requiring them to go through the same mental calculus as whether they need to decide to buy or even worse, invest in something.

I made this argument loudly in december and january when this was re-allocated from 10% to PTS holders to 50% to PTS holders and 50% to AGS holders, leaving none remaining for those interested and available with time but not able to devote money up front to becoming part of it.

But yeah you should totally call people POW fanboys lol, that's what's going on here.

I think your points about the psychology are valid, Gamey actually made similar observations

The reason sharedrops that "simulate mining" work is because all of the early adopters etc are miners.  Most of the die-hard types sitting on forums have at least dabbled in mining and believe it to be "fair".  There is nothing special about mining that sells a distribution except the existing adopters have mentally bought in.

They've put their capital into mining equipment so now they're a middle man selling hashes and taking the profits and paying the electricity providers.  This is not much different from paying for shares directly, people just need to have it explained to them. 

Mining is also labor intensive so it keeps large capital from showing up and just buying in.  This is probably the one biggest thing people need to avoid in the longrun, the perception that the guy with the most money at the start ends with the most money.  Lots will disagree with it, but this is probably the biggest perception at play when people don't like POS.  An "unfair" distribution.  Mining is only marginally more fair because it requires labor to set it up.

I think Andreas is brilliant personally but I disagree with him regards POW and also the idea that a system like Bitcoin is secure because people with control are incentivised to reap the profits as opposed to damage it. (I mean he argued even big mining pools were OK from that perspective, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgEDOBgYg-g , I disagree. I think competitors (entrenched interests in finance/central banking) are still incentivised to damage the system. And if all you need is the resources to buy mining equipment or to get to a handful of people, it's a problem.)



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General Discussion / Re: Back to observer, not a poster
« on: July 27, 2014, 04:58:48 pm »
Which leads to another one of my reason to post this.
You all are brave and believe in BTSX. My 2c are that the current price offers a great level to get in or add to your position.
But be advised, if you do not go and do not actually buy some BTSX, we will probably see my initial expectation come true. And they were 8-15 Mil market cap.

Do what is best for you of course, but understand that the current demand is kind of pathetic!

S II

I concede you are the winner here, I would never have believed it! (Got an order filled at 0.000013 yesterday.)

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I just realized why Andreas used such a long-winded and loaded question trying to confirm whether Bitshares would be for traditional businesses looking for better transaction ledgers.

"BitShares does for business what Bitcoin did for money"   ---- This was the first thing Andreas saw when he researched BitShares prior to the interview!  It lead him down a completely incorrect rabbit hole of thinking.  No wonder he didn't have any follow up comments to that question -- He had been completely mislead by our slogan into thinking the USP of our technology would be for traditional businesses rather than the masses.  If we had had a clear slogan on the website that actually explained our USP, Andreas would have participated 10x more in the discussion because he would have been correctly prepared rather than thrown off-guard .  I can only imagine how many people the current slogan has deceived.


We need a better slogan -- Now!

Edit:  Brian, get on this.  and not to be a dick, but get on it now!  Be reminded of this --  discussions about correcting the slogan have have gone on for months and even you have conceded that ithe slogan needs to be changed.  As DOM it is your duty to make this right.  Please respond to this with confirmation as to whether you will or will not change the slogan.

Isn't Andreas another POW fanboy ?  Bitshares has been around for quite some time, I don't think he got much from the slogan.

edit - And with this post, I become "Hero Member".

 +5% Congratulations on hero status  :)

Yeah I don't think Andreas took anything from the slogan. That long line of questioning starting at 28:00 was centred around the idea that a POS type system in general unfairly rewards early adopters specifically in the use case of the shares being used as just a currency.  Andreas feels POW & mining is a much better, fairer form of distribution.

So all his questions were designed around proving that, starting at about 35:30 Daniel clearly succinctly debunked the whole POW idea imo and explained why the BitShares system specifically is actually much fairer even for a global currency use case than anything out there. After that they moved on...

Edit: I'm not against changing the slogan though, I think I'm one of the ones that brought it up. I just haven't seen anything since that jumps out like wow, yes, let's use that! 

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Idea is great .. lets gice the devs some 4 weeks to fix more bugs before attempting this game .. IMHO

Cool, maybe that's best. I don't think I can lock or delete the thread myself though
(I've only referenced it in one thread on BTT so I will go delete that.)

Edit: I've tried to update the content to make it more of an idea at this stage but if someone thinks it's best to lock or delete this thread to avoid confusion that's cool too.

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Also this is likely to result in a lot of "pending" transactions that will not validate when two people attempt to register the same name at the same time.   I am not sure we have all the kinks worked out on cleaning up the user experience when this happens.   

I can make it a one day trial to see how it plays out in practice, with your warning about the CPU load as the first sentence.

Or I can cancel it as I doubt there will be much interest anyway, if you thinks that's best? 

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Lets do 1000 BTSX per question, for a total of 10000 BTSX.

We'll use 8000 BTSX from the PTS community fund, approximately 15 PTS.. and i'll chip in 1000 with your 1000.

This one will be quite quick fire and maybe some will be a bit silly. So I might get through a lot very quickly.  I'm probably going to award about 2-5000 BTSX of my own funds in this game.

Juding by the interest here, we should be able to tell if it's worthwhile maybe setting up a proper one, with say 1000 BTSX per answer if 100 BTSX isn't really motivating anyone.

not sure if this is allowed on bitcointalk though, investigate first (:

Yeah it's not allowed which is why I why I will be doing it here, but I think it's OK to let people know they have to come here to take part, BTT, just doesn't want loads of replies in threads there centred around hundreds of different alt-coin promotions with no real content.


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The ten second confirmation times and the simplicity of being able to send to account names in BTSX is really cool.

So obviously this is a marketing exercise to hopefully encourage people to download the BTSX wallet and try it out.
I'm not sure, if there will be any interest in this, it's just a test really.

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General Discussion / BTSX trivia competition idea
« on: July 27, 2014, 01:10:34 pm »
Edit: I was going to start a trivia competition (Thanks Gamey for the initial idea) as described below, but I've been advised that it might be best to wait a few more weeks before attempting something like this as well as a few other issues.  So I've updated the content to reflect that.

The competition would work something like this -

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The first person to register the answer as an account name on the BTSX blockchain wins!

So if you know the answer, you have to the register it on the BTSX blockchain (Cost 0.1 BTSX)  as an account name because that is where the prize will be sent.

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Example

Question: I'm looking for the character not actor name with the following clues...

(There will be a short time delay between each clue.)

Clue 1:  If he worked out a bit more he could have a body like mine.
Clue 2:  Wish I had a beard like that!
Clue 3:  A carnivorous mammal
Clue 4:  Wow look at those hands!
Clue 5:  His name is like a mix of  'marine' and 'wolf'
 
Up until someone registered the answer 'Wolverine' as an account name on the BTSX blockchain. (Yes I know that account name is already registered - I will make sure I ask questions where the answer has not already been registered which can be checked.)

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General Discussion / Re: Canon Coins? Bitshares CC?
« on: July 27, 2014, 01:13:22 am »
I've seen BitShares propose a 10/10/80 model. Where 20% is awarded to AGS & PTS and the remaining 80% is distributed via delegates using a ten year equity release plan. I'm all for that (well I'd prefer 20/20/60). Provided whatever the equity release plan is, is clearly defined and pretty hard-coded somehow into the system. It should let us be extremely flexible to responding to the needs of the DAC.

So unlike you I would like the " inflation rate, or the amount of currency that is put into production at any point in time " to be hard coded. They can always fork if they don't like it, but a 'future inflation/production un-defined/uncertain blockchain' would immediately have less value I believe anyway.

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