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Just wanted to say I wouldn't pick orange - its difficult to see.

Yes I agree.

I don't know what colour though. Red means danger. Purple is what a link looks like when you've already visited it in current search engines. And green is what the URL looks like under the name when you do a normal search and the https: is usually green.

First, what is BDSN for god sake? – Google suggests I misspelled BDSM, and it does not look like you mean ‘Berkeley Digital Seismic Network’

Second – we will have an excellent platform to parallel sell quit claim deeds for prime real estate in New York, LA, Moscow, Tokyo and where ever it is profitable.  It might turn this side business is even more profitable who knows.

You're right, Oops I was meant to be writing BDNS, it's just I think I've seen Toast referring to it by that abbreviation. I'll ammend my stuff to BitShares DNS in the post above.

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All existing browsers link to one ICANN system. So we're used to telling the difference between domains by their extension. But this is a whole new superior decentralised system. It's not a leap for people to understand that domains are only owned by their ICANN owners on the decentralised BitShares DNS if they're endorsed by them. 

People will know Apple.com on BDNS isn't Apple.com on ICANN unless it's endorsed the latter. Just like we know apple.net may not be apple.com

However having the same Rolls Royce domain name that's going to be hitting the crypto-currency user market right from the start is immediately valuable.

Apple.com might show people breaking their iphones when blockchain was blocked. That's a lot more damaging than doing something on Apple.p2p and generates a lot more interest from users. 

Then in forum replies you just write
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'Hey have you seen this on Apple.com?, hysterical!"

(People will quickly learn oh Apple.com means it's the one on BitShares DNS & the link could even hot link to the BitShares DNS download & quick marketing page.)

In Ideal world, our browser would identify both systems so Apple or Apple.com would take you to Apple.com in BitShares DNS and a search for Apple or Apple.com (if it hadn't been auctioned yet) would return both -

Apple.com 
Currently available. Minimum opening bid $800.Next 25% Decrease 01/09.

Apple.com
Apple designs and creates iPod and iTunes, Mac laptop and desktop computers, the OS X operating system, and the revolutionary iPhone and iPad.

Once Apple has been sold a search may return -

Apple.com
Hey Apple,  you dumb idiots blocking Blockchain users. I've got your domain on the DNS system we're all moving to. 'How do you like them apples!?'   

Apple.com
Apple designs and creates iPod and iTunes, Mac laptop and desktop computers, the OS X operating system, and the revolutionary iPhone and iPad.

This is also a much simpler system, and more marketable.

BitShares DNS - A superior system with all the exisiting domains newly available! But a BitShares DNS .com domain can't be seized or blocked and your customers can use it with much more security and privacy than an ICANN one.

In this we'll be offering a system with all the same TLD's people are familiar with using and see as having value. The only caveat is that a domain on the superior BitShares DNS system might not be the same as one from the inferior ICANN DNS system unless it's endorsed by them but I think this is easy to understand.

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To me, BitShares DNS s acting like it invented a browser window with some new complicated TLD system, & added security features and you want to make adoption as seamless as possible (Like chrome vs. some other browser)  but there's no need, unlike crypto, the gateway between the two couldn't be simpler. So to me we're underselling ourselves by not making all .com's and .orgs newly available on a superior system. (At the moment it's like we're sharedropping our most valuable product onto an inferior ICANN.)

A .com on BitShares DNS has so much value because, once you have that your online brand can never be seized where as in ICANN they can take your online brand name away from you at any time. That is valuable, don't give it away for free!  The real $ are in selling .com & .org domains - the Rolls Royce TLD of value, status and recognition.

BitShares.org on ICANN may be blocked/seized at some point in the future. Wouldn't BitShares.org want to secure it's brand on BitShares DNS where it can never be touched/blocked by TPTB and where it is much more secure and private for it's users? I think BitShares.org would be willing to to pay & bid for BitShares.org on BitShares DNS.

Apple.com might not care about Apple.p2p but if we have a new superior DNS system that is growing in popularity with crypto-currency types and people who generally dissaprove of Big Brother then Apple.com will care about not owning Apple.com A LOT! If Ethereum.org doesn't secure Ethereum.org on the DNS system of the future, that's their loss not BitShares DNS!

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BitShares DNS - 'We're the decentralised orange one'
 
Everyone associates the existing TLD's with a blue colour, when you share them, or when you google/Yahoo them. By making ours Yahoo.com and BitShares DNS being a separate opt in browser everyone will know yahoo.com is not necessarily yahoo.com but there's a lot of value in an exact brand name.

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Unfortunately new businesses may not be able to build a strong brand identity around our .p2p TLD

-.P2P is unknown and has little value.
-.P2P the ICANN TLD could be bought/blocked at any time

Existing businesses wll already have a more well known ICANN TLD like Amazon.com or coinmarketcap.com that they've built their online brand and presence around, which they'd like to keep.  It's far easier for them to replicate that online presence & brand using their same TLD on BitShares DNS.

Instead of saying visit us at Bitshares.org or Bitshares.p2p  We could want to say  - 'Visit us at BitShares.org (Also on BitShares DNS)   

Now the rush will be on to secure the same TLD you brand your business by on BitShares DNS!

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While BitShares DNS is new and has little traffic, it solves all of the problems associated with ICANN. If it starts gaining traction within the crypto market, it will be incredibly important for businesses to future proof their online brand by securing their existing .com or .org  brand that they've worked hard to build on BitShares DNS, the DNS of the future!

Given the growing Big Brother trend and free people's antagonism towards it, BitShares DNS could easily be a likely sucessor to ICANN in just a few years and may perhaps be a preferrable choice for your target market, such as crypt-currency enthusiasts right away!  (Your business sales may increase by offering a BitShares DNS verson of your site.)

Will Coinmarketcap.com want to risk having built a brand name only for BitShares DNS to grow in popularity and someone offer a similar site under the brand name he's built?

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Has your  billion dollar poker brand, Pokerstars.com on ICANN been unfairly seized by an over-reaching government and all your customers blocked?
 
Pokerstars.com is still running!  'BitShares DNS users unnaffected!'

Has the oppressive Turkish government blocked Twitter.com?

Twitter.com is still running fine and is untouchable!  'BitShares DNS users unnaffected!'

Is bitcointalk.org  being spied on &/or having it's security compromised? Use bitcointalk.org for maximum security and privacy.

(In fact, given the tenous nature of Bitcoin legality can any Bitcoin related .com or  .org afford not to also put their online brand on BitShares DNS and will not many of their target market prefer & be comfortable using their well known domains on BitShares DNS in a very short space of time?)


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KeyID / Re: TLD suggestions for Agent86's model.
« on: August 08, 2014, 02:34:43 am »
I want to be able to install a browser extension which hijacks normal operation of the URL bar so when I type

google.com -> Takes me to google.com.p2p as determined by BDSN and I don't want to ever want see the .p2p. ever. Is this technically possible?

Who owns google.com.p2p? Google or someone who was lucky enough to buy the name google.com on BDSN?

The highest bidder. But I'd use a system that makes them very expensive to start the bidding for in the first year. Very high minimum opening bid which decreases over time & for the most valuable legacy ICANN domain names, the minimum auction opening bid, would be their $ value at start of DAC divided by maybe 10 000 with a 25% monthly drop.


As long as we reserve the name "com" (and other current TLDs) on the BDSN global namespace, no one is able to buy any names that end with .com (or .org, or .edu, or any of the other current ICANN TLDs). Because no one is able to own those names, the browser extension is able to unambiguously know you are talking about a domain name on the legacy ICANN system. So, it will use that legacy system to find the IP address 4.53.56.93, and take you to Google's website. This means early adopters who use the BDNS browser extension can still use all old domain names like they regularly did. This helps adoption.

Thanks for the explanation! Great! I think I understand now. So we're reserving them on purpose so that BDSN takes our browser extension users to that domain name on the legacy ICANN system.

But you're saying my request it's technically possible? - For a BDSN  browser extension to completely ignore ICANN .coms & .orgs & redirect users to our .com namespaces,  or at least our .com.p2p namespaces where the .p2p is always invisible to the user? Which may or may not be owned by the same people that own the domain names on the legacy ICANN system.

If so - Woohoo!

I'm probably wrong, but I think then the current model is great & will be a success. But the current BDNS with our unique TLD's is to domains what Bitcoin is to USD but my BDNS model is to domains what BitUSD is to USD.

It's 3:30 am here, so I'll explain my thinking in the morning...

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KeyID / Re: TLD suggestions for Agent86's model.
« on: August 08, 2014, 12:53:22 am »
Sorry, if I'm asking the same kind of dumb question in 5 different ways,

My point is that I want to be able to install a browser extension which hijacks normal operation of the URL bar so when I type the following in my browsers URL bar I can get to the following corresponding websites:
  • google.com -> Takes me to google.com servers as determined by current ICANN DNS system

 I want to be able to install a browser extension which hijacks normal operation of the URL bar so when I type

google.com -> Takes me to google.com.p2p as determined by BDSN and I don't want to ever want see the .p2p. ever. Is this technically possible?




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KeyID / Re: TLD suggestions for Agent86's model.
« on: August 07, 2014, 11:18:35 pm »
Is the good name ".p2p" still valuable if it is hidden during normal operations? If we used ".own" then it does not collide with any ICANN and so our extensions / resolvers would only need someone to type "example.own"

Is it a technical problem if it collides with any ICANN or is it an ambiguity problem?

As in you don't think people will want to type Amazon.com in BDNS if it doesn't resolve/take you to the real 'Amazon.com'

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KeyID / Re: *Final, guaranteed* allocation.
« on: August 07, 2014, 09:07:54 pm »
great  +5%

a soon decision is better for the PTS buyers, or anyone who is interested in investing in PTS

 +5%

Good luck with the DAC Toast! 


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KeyID / Re: Allocation proposal v3
« on: August 07, 2014, 08:44:27 pm »
I suspect the only model that would get more general approval than the previous 20/20/5/5 is 25/25/5/5 but that would be a lower initial supply for devs.

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KeyID / Re: Newbie question!
« on: August 07, 2014, 08:36:39 pm »
No, BDNS is an alternate parallel namespace which the old system has no awareness of and which requires the user to "opt-in" by either point to custom DNS server or installing an extension.

BDNS will not appear on google search results, except via a resolver like bitshar.es
We will avoid ICANN TLDs so as to not create separate ".com.ICANN" and ".com.BDNS"

Thanks,

Does BDNS have a search function that returns results from within BDNS?

I know we're avoiding ICANN TLD's, but in theory, in a BDNS version that ended all it's namespaces with .org, could BitShares buy the BDNS namespace  BitShares.org & upload the same content on their BDNS site as on their ICANN site?

Then they wouldn't be called BitShares.org.BDNS and BitShares.org.ICANN they would both be called 'BitShares.org' but the one could be accessed via say google  and the other would be accessed via BDNS right?



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KeyID / Re: Newbie question!
« on: August 07, 2014, 07:27:26 pm »
Apologies for my tech inept questions, just been doing some thinking, the answers to these will help me...

Will BitShares DNS have a search engine/toolbar that returns results from BitShares DNS as well as the ICANN DNS system?

If so, is it technically possible for BitShares DNS hosted domains to be listed on our search results page with an orange link to differentiate them from the ICANN hosted domains that are all currently associated with a blue link?

(I understand we're using .p2p so sites can be accessible via ICANN but) In a BitShares DNS version with a .com TLD & no .p2p TLD at all... Could a search in BitShares DNS for Twitter or twitter.com then return the BitShares DNS hosted Twitter.com and the ICANN hosted Twitter.com as the top 2 but separate results?

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KeyID / Re: TOAST, APPLE, JAVA
« on: August 06, 2014, 07:46:51 pm »
'Namespaces' is more like FaceBook, MySpace, Twitter & Reddit...
(There is a bit of a link in brand name to function) so I think it's quite good.

Many other brand names Yahoo, Java, google, Apple, yahoo, Amazon etc. are not function related.

The fact that 'Toast' is being argued over at all, shows that it has legs and it also seems to be gaining traction in the naming thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6637.0

At the same time the main dev isn't a fan, and if the main dev doesn't like it as the name of the product he's going to busting 15 hour days on, it's a non starter imo unless it grows on him.

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Also you guys should wait for Taulant to finish the redesign of dotp2p.io

Don't worry I won't be doing anything more myself, as in starting threads elsewhere (though I'll be happy to reply and support them.)  These were just ideas to help with marketing as I'd only seen a general discussion announcement thread in our own forums so far. But if you guys are doing some more closer to the snapshot date already or happy with the current level of awareness (& that will build itself more naturally) it's cool.

Edit: I've changed the BitToast references to BitDNS

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please don't call it BitToast   D=

 :D Hi Toast, yes obviously you will be deciding what to call it. Any idea on what you prefer to call it for the time being? Namespaces?

I'm not sure we should go on the offensive against Namecoin right out of the gate. Think we should take the high road and allow people to read the [ANN] and come to the conclusion that BitDNS (or whatever Toast calls it) is better than product Y on their own.

 +5% You're probably right. But I would still say it needs an attention grabbing title, any ideas?

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KeyID / Re: Potential BitDNS pre-snapshot marketing strategy ideas
« on: August 06, 2014, 03:03:47 pm »
For the Bitcointalk announcement

- The thread is usually started by a developer & it usually takes this format [ANN] [BitDNS]

then maybe 'NameCoin killer! Snapshot 21/08 & Launching within a month! ? or 'Alternative DNS system?'

(I think the easiest way to market BitDNS pre snapshot is maybe Namecoin imo.  Most have an idea of what Namecoin is. So when you say 'Namecoin killer', it already communicates a lot about BitDNS in two words.)

The specifications and allocation model should be the main thing at the start.

Questions

Do we have a firm working name yet?
Do we have a firm allocation model?
Can we share video?                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeweF05tT50&feature=youtu.be

Showing a screenshot/embedding video (I don't know what you call it) on the announcement will really separate this from other crappy announcements, people can immediately see this is something real with real development , not an idea. The graphics and content on that video are really good.

I would also put the website dotp2p.io in the announcement.

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I would then highlight only the top few simple to understand,  attention grabbing points. What are they? I'm not sure, off the top of my head -

1. BitToast is a NameCoin killer & MUCH MUCH more! It will be up and running by next month! (The snapshot takes place from BitShares-PTS on 21/08 and you will be able to trade your BitDNS shares on the exchanges within a month.)

2. A domain name on BitDNS can never be siezed and is free from man in the middle attacks & using  DNS servers /browser plugins / "invisible" clients  it creates a seamless browsing experience

3. It solves the problem of domain name squatting by using auctions! You can also make money by participating in auctions too!

4. It uses the BitShares DPOS blockchains & TITAN which means 10 second confirmation times, simple user account names & anonymous transactions! (The DPOS blockchains are already burning rubber on an already released BitShares DAC, BitShares X, download the wallet (link) and test drive these blockchains for yourself!)

5. With equity release via delegates the DAC is well funded for development and marketing and there is no central point of failure once it is up and running. 

Any thoughts?

Then can have the more detailed announcement  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6509.msg86561#msg86561

Edit: Obviously the devs will decide what content to put in their BTT announcement thread if they even decide it's in their interest to do one, and I'll be happy to support it. Just trying to give my ideas

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