Lots of you have gone into Bitcoin to take advantage of its recent rally. So when you want to go back to trading BTS, why are you still using Poloniex's ledger and paying them fees, when you could support the blockchain instead?

Here you go:
https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/market/BTS_OPENBTC

When you bring your BTC over to Openledger, BTS will naturally get traded on the blockchain too, thereby ending up in stronger hands.

What is OpenBTC?

Quote from: luckybit on November 04, 2015, 04:32:50 pm

Quote from: topcandle on November 04, 2015, 04:31:28 pm

So Bond markets is our answer?

Part of it. UIAs could do it right now without the bond market though. What stops a UIA from paying dividends?

Nothing.  What stops a UIA from not even looking like a UIA and paying 'rewards points' to customers?

And that is what we need. People want financial independence. Freedom is a vague concept while financial independence is practical, you can touch it, it is quantifiable, it's real.

Yeah fine. But it needs to be optional, some way to turn it off in preferences. I hate the damned things myself.

Just look at the Mockup. It should be a pull out tab where only people who want to see it can see it at all times. Just like we can have a chatbox already in the main site which is optional why can't we have a trollbox?

On the main OpenLedger site they use Tawk.to yet for the Exchange people are worried about security? I don't get it. If there is a security issue using javascript then it would already be an issue and no I don't think we should delay implementation in order to do a fancy technical blockchain based version.

We should just throw any trollbox together temporarily, as quickly as possible, and then when the technically advanced version is ready we can simply swap it out for the updated one. What do you think every other exchange website would do in this situation?

I've traded for years and the trollbox is good for realtime info,  this forum is too slow for sharing trading info, even if its fud it still helps build the community.

Can somebody quickly knock up a website that iframes a troll box on the right side and openledger on the left.

even if its just polos troll box

https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues/405

I'd certainly like to put one in but we need to find a safe way of doing it.

What do you mean by safe? I don't see what safety risk you have from IRC that you don't have already.

Btw, the mock up that he put up is exactly where the troll box ought to be placed. That is exactly how it ought to look and it doesn't even have to be fancy at first.

5-10% yield possible through Bond markets?   How much does polonieux offer?

Sometimes yield can be as high as 12% a year in some markets so it's a matter of letting people offer yield, and offer UIAs which offer the kinds of yields, dividends and other attractors which bring people in. I don't know if polonieux offers any yield at all but if Bitshares has yield then it can attract liquidity.

Bees are attracted to flower pollen. The best advertisement is successful investors.

Quote from: jakub on November 04, 2015, 11:44:57 am

Yes, I agree. For merchants it is a big deal.
But for me, the consumer, only the freedom part is the big deal.

And that is not bad news. If only 3-5% of online consumers do care about freedom - we are in a big business. Much bigger than bitcoin is now.

I agree, the freedom part is important.

but for me as consumer it's far more interesting to save 5-10% on a product.

You're not interested in equity crowd funding? In achieving financial independence for yourself and your family?

If you cannot sustain yourself without employment then you're not financially independent. If you're able to get a few thousand $ a month from the blockchain then you're financially independent. Bitshares is the one blockchain which can offer this as a feature, the feature is the ability to achieve financial independence indirectly, not through features of Bitshares or the Bitshares price rise, but through holding the proper portfolio of UIAs, private assets, smart coins, bonds, etc, or by being a referrer, a witness, etc.

As you see, the people who work hard, or who work smart, or who invest wisely, can have a chance to achieve the new American dream of financial independence facilitated by blockchain technology. Bitshares should be marketed to people who want to be digital nomads, who want financial independence, who want to work directly for a blockchain.

Avoid politics, avoid vague words like freedom, avoid dividing people by talking about libertarian ideals, or crypto-anarchism, or Bytemasters master plan. People want to achieve similar goals, we all have similar dreams, but we all come from different backgrounds, different ideological outlooks, different philosophy on life, and we should avoid that which can divide people in marketing and put only what can bring people together.

Financial independence is something every reasonable person should want and we just have to show reasonable people how they can achieve financial independence through Bitshares, with some examples of people who are working at achieving it. Maybe someone should set up blogs showing how they invest through Bitshares and share their success. This way you market Bitshares to the people who want financial independence but who never thought it was possible to achieve through blockchains.

OK, so I'm going off at a bit of a tangent here compared to the flow of conversation on here. However, is it in the works to be able to buy stocks from around the world on Bitshares? I was thinking that essentially it would be no different that the price of gold, just s contract for difference between two parties at a particular point in time.

Just wondering if that was in the vision because I'm a global exchange would sure be something to behold.

Yes. Pegging was supposed to work with stocks. Liquidity is the main constraint.

Btw, what is the cause of the current Bitshares depression?

(a) People leaving Bitshares to buy Bitcoins?
(b) General lost of interest in Bitshares due to BTS 2.0 machinery?
(c) Is the BitUSD-BTS-link part of "the problem" with the declining BTS/BTC rate?
(d) Are people giving up on Bitshares because the GUI is still buggy?
(e) ...

Just brainstorming here.

Can you still hold BitBTC?

Does the referral marketing have an effect? We have to wait and see.

BTC could be going to $10,000 though. There isn't any reason why it would stop rising this time except for maybe Max Block Size but that might take a while. Also by 2016 the Block Reward will half anyway so this has been predicted.

It's not Bitshares exclusive. All altcoins are losing BTC at a fast rate. What is important to note is they can all gain BTC back just as fast, but also it's important to note that perhaps the current bubble is from wall street and not tech experts. It might be that the Bitcoin ETFs, the ETNs, the NASDAQ news, and all of that, are allowing hedgefunds and others to buy BTC.

At the same time these entities aren't likely to buy altcoins like in previous bubbles. So it all depends on if regular people start buying BTC or if it's just wall street. Even if it is just wall street eventually wall street will notice Bitshares but it could take months.

Bitshares 2.0 has markets within it which just have to be used. Bitshares 2.0 isn't currently being used while Bitshares 1.0 would have been used in this situation. People would have bought BitAssets.