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General Discussion / Re: VOTE DAC Just Got More Interesting
« on: October 17, 2014, 05:39:51 pm »
In my opinion... votes shouldn't be anonymous for a very simple reason:

1) let tyranny be transparent.
2) hold voters socially accountable for who they vote for. 

Transparency is the best for everyone... give someone a mask and they will commit many crimes.   Remove a mask and they must take responsibility for their actions.

Just for the records I disagree.
Votes must remain anonymous BUT with a transparent mechanism (like blockchain technology) to be sure everybody’s vote is counted right.

Voting is private, and the ballot is anonymous.

Privacy means that your identity is public but your actions are not. (They know who you are, but not what you are doing.)

Voting is a private activity.

Anonymity is when your actions are public, but your identity is not. (They know what you are doing, but not who you are.)

The ballot (the quantifiable result of your vote) is anonymous. When you cast your ballot it becomes a separate entity that cannot find its way back to you . (Though presumably a voter should be able to prove ownership of their vote after the fact.)

If we look at it this way, the voter is actually selling their completed ballot. The completed ballot is the product. The voter is the creator of the product.

So the next question is: does the voter sell ballots a la carte, or does he or she sell their ballots in bundles? Can voters make a contract with vote-buyers to robo-sign their future ballots? Then voters would be blind about what their vote was used for and how it may actually impact their life over the long term. It's possible a voter could sell their ballot to someone who will then use it knowingly against the interest of the voter. Is simple Due Diligence enough to protect voters from potentially predatory vote buyers?

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General Discussion / Re: VOTE DAC Just Got More Interesting
« on: October 17, 2014, 03:36:18 pm »
:oMaybe I am a little hung up on the nomenclature of "Voting" because I associate voting with my status as a citizen in a civil representative democracy.

And of course I know that my right to vote is INALIENABLE, which means that I cannot sell my vote or give it away.

Then of course there could not be a FUTURES market for an inalienable vote, because even if you did sign a contract to vote some for unknown ballot in the future, you could potentially breakk the contract and reclaim your vote if you decided that you really wanted it back.

Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree. BM you are quite a brilliant fellow. You are making me stretch my brain uncomfortably.

BTW--All perception is subjective. That's a given. Observation Bias informs all perception, but that does't cast human beings on a solipsistic island. In fact we humans enjoy a continuous exchange of (subjectively derived) ideas and meaning pretty much everyday throughout the course of our lives. Those ideas are spread through measurable, quantifiable behaviors. So it's possible to observe an idea expressed as a behavior, and from the behavior infer the idea. Game theory models track that sort of thing.


VOTING is not a right, you were not born with it... it is not INALIENABLE... in fact, it isn't even legitimate for you to vote to kill someone else (ie: war) because that would violate someone elses INALIENABLE right to not be murdered.

Saying that someone cannot cast their vote based entirely on monetary concerns also a violation of their INALIENABLE right to free will that doesn't harm anyone else... suppose they only vote for someone promising them welfare payouts and a free lunch?   How is that different?

BM, by that logic I would have the civil right to sell my organs on an open market, or put myself on the slavery block. Do you believe I have such a right?

Suppose my child required a life-saving operation that cost $500k, and the only means I had to raise the cash was to sell myself into permanent slavery. In that case I would be under duress, but I would still be exercising my free will so what the hay.

I'm still unclear about how the Voting DAC applies to a civil democracy. How will the Voting DAC work? What kind of balloting are we talking about? Is this about electoral polling? Or are we talking about a game of some kind? I am intrigued and confused. I want to understand the applications.

BTW, here's a definition of Inalienable:

Not subject to sale or transfer; inseparable. That which is inalienable cannot be bought, sold, or transferred from one individual to another.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inalienable+rights



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General Discussion / Re: VOTE DAC Just Got More Interesting
« on: October 17, 2014, 06:13:15 am »
 :oMaybe I am a little hung up on the nomenclature of "Voting" because I associate voting with my status as a citizen in a civil representative democracy.

And of course I know that my right to vote is INALIENABLE, which means that I cannot sell my vote or give it away.

Then of course there could not be a FUTURES market for an inalienable vote, because even if you did sign a contract to vote some for unknown ballot in the future, you could potentially breakk the contract and reclaim your vote if you decided that you really wanted it back.

Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree. BM you are quite a brilliant fellow. You are making me stretch my brain uncomfortably.

BTW--All perception is subjective. That's a given. Observation Bias informs all perception, but that does't cast human beings on a solipsistic island. In fact we humans enjoy a continuous exchange of (subjectively derived) ideas and meaning pretty much everyday throughout the course of our lives. Those ideas are spread through measurable, quantifiable behaviors. So it's possible to observe an idea expressed as a behavior, and from the behavior infer the idea. Game theory models track that sort of thing.

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General Discussion / Re: Some advice from a convert.
« on: September 13, 2014, 03:57:01 am »

Buy ads on /r/Bitcoin etc. that says
Earn interest on your Bitcoin,
or
Did you know Bitcoin looses $Billion a year?
or
Ten seconds block times, trustless BTC, USD, Gold trading
and lands to a Bitshares-X page geared specifically towards BTC holders.

Buy native advertising on CoinDesk and other crypto media outlets.

Stop wasting money trying to acquire traffic from people interested in buying Bitcoin for the first time. They barely "get" Bitcoin, don't think you can make them understand even deeper levels of abstraction.

 +5%

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General Discussion / Here’s What the Bank of England Thinks of BitsharesX
« on: September 11, 2014, 11:12:57 pm »
Well, they didn't actually mention BitsharesX by name, but it's obvious describing it from the WSJ quote:

Quote
an important technological advance that could be a game changer. One day.

The bank says it foresees a possible future in which a bitcoin-type decentralized payment structure might well be applied to the existing financial system infrastructure. To, say, allow the equivalent of cash transactions between individuals, but using traditional currencies in electronic form. Or trading shares or other securities. Or applied to physical assets like gold where no centralized ledger currently exists.

And if the BOE and the writers at WSJ have never heard of BitsharesX, that makes it even more interesting: I am sure they'll be surprised when the realize the future already happened when the BTSX chain was launched.

Somebody ought to tell them.

WSJ 9/11/14
Here’s What the Bank of England Thinks of Bitcoin
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/09/11/heres-what-the-bank-of-england-thinks-of-bitcoin/

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General Discussion / Re: All Roads Lead to BitSharesX
« on: September 10, 2014, 03:56:40 am »
I'll let this speak for itself.




This is from today:


Conclusion: BitsharesX is now a "safe haven" for investors when Bitcoin and other alts are in decline.  When they realize that BitUSD is a safe-haven for BTSX, and that the BitsharesX network works in practice like an open-source and incorruptible bank + stock exchange + precious metals exchange + mercantile exchange  + more --- the value of BSTX will go exponential.

So say we all.

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2) if the attacker stopped transactions that voted for other people then DAC Sun would release a hard fork that burned the attackers shares and the network would continue... instant 10% dividend :)

Does that make DAC Sun a single point of failure? I don't want to get too far out there, but following this logic, if a powerful entity wanted to control Bitshares, wouldn't they anticipate a fork and take steps to prevent a clear fork from being released? If bad actors could muddy the waters by throttling DAC Sun and by adding competing false forks to the mix, is it possible they could cause a panic -- even if only for a few days or a week? That would be a catastrophe in a mature system.

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I downloaded the 64bit version from github and installed:
BitSharesX-0.4.12-x64.exe

After the database reindexed the wallet then tried to connect to the network. At that point I got an error:

"BitsharesX.exe has stopped working. A problem caused the program to stop working. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available."

It was working under version 0.4.10

The PC is running Windows 8.1
64 bit OS, x64 based processor

Any thoughts?

The Win 64bit is reported to have some problem. You may try the 32bit instead.

Thanks, that worked.

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I downloaded the 64bit version from github and installed:
BitSharesX-0.4.12-x64.exe

After the database reindexed the wallet then tried to connect to the network. At that point I got an error:

"BitsharesX.exe has stopped working. A problem caused the program to stop working. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available."

It was working under version 0.4.10

The PC is running Windows 8.1
64 bit OS, x64 based processor

Any thoughts?




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General Discussion / Re: How convenient for Ripple....
« on: August 26, 2014, 03:43:31 am »
so it's just a coincidence that immediately after Dan anounced that Invictus will purchase a large amount of bitshares the price started to spike? Second where are the ags holdings? Third, charts show a cascading purchase pattern this does not require every order to come from i3 just the bootstrap to create the speculative cascade.

You'll know if the currency experiences a rapid correction. We saw this same pattern with maxcoin.

Charles, there's no reason to be testy. Are you seriously comparing Maxcoin with BTSX (rotflol)? Come on, man. Dan and team have demonstrably kicked ass. Let I3 have its day.

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Whilst I share your expectation that we have only just started, that still doesnt answer the point that a 400% bull run makes a 50% crash very likely, and not a "black swan" scenario.

How it makes it likely (to say nothing about, 'very likely' - whatever the term means).
What is the logic -'Cause it usually happens like that?'

The logic assumes that the sudden rise in the value of BTSX has captured the imagination of speculators around the globe. Speculators are not investors. Speculators are in it for the quick buck. They will bail all at once when they think the short term boom is over.  No big deal. Investors don't blink.

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LTC is shriveling at very moment BTS is in bloom. It's writing on the wall. Pencil me in for Saturday, August 30, 2014 as the day BitsharesX surpasses litecoin in marketcap.

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General Discussion / Re: OMG - Ripple can fall down today!
« on: August 21, 2014, 08:36:41 pm »
Market is indeed the only living God.
And BM is her prophet!
8) +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Ethereum & BitShares Partnership?
« on: August 20, 2014, 03:09:05 am »
So what I can say is that a future BitShares chain will be fully Turing Complete with the ability to run arbitrary code. 
damn straight +5%
the best way to align our communities is to have a mutual financial interest and for that reason I could see a joint venture with allocation from both sides for the development of BitShares Turing.
another brilliant solution +5%

Mark this date. History just changed.  Again. 8)

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