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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: *CI/UI/UX Design / Web Development - cass
« on: January 26, 2016, 02:54:52 am »
@cass Any updates please?

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Any update?

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 把投票代理设为 baozi, 拒绝BTS增发
« on: January 26, 2016, 02:38:05 am »
实际的做商业计划做推广

这个很关键。
谁来做?
谁有能力做?
谁有意愿做?
谁能说服别人同意按他的想法做?
做错了怎么办?
容许有多少次错误?
谁出钱?

反正我是没这本事,让我写写代码还行。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 把投票代理设为 baozi, 拒绝BTS增发
« on: January 26, 2016, 02:33:48 am »
晕啊,为什么咱们什么应用都没有搞成功你们就有底气提高收费了?
等到用户来了你们再搞这些花哨的东西不行吗
现在BTS公司都快倒闭了,每个股东都套的死死的,这样玩真的好吗
我就纳闷了为什么总是画饼让股东等,什么时候能专心做应用,实际的做商业计划做推广

传统企业中,如果一份钱都没给股东赚到,要钱的时候能这么有底气吗
有啊。京东一轮又一轮的融资,到现在还是亏损。

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@abit  @alt
两位多虑了吧,哪来得用户。
BTS根本就没用户,等有用户反应这问题的时候在说吧。
现在是死马当活马医,没用户也只能当有用户来考虑了。难道只能砸盘走人。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 把投票代理设为 baozi, 拒绝BTS增发
« on: January 26, 2016, 02:19:15 am »
QQ对你收1毛钱聊天费你都会反对,但他要收100块买个太阳大把人愿意。
这成本最后也没转到我们聊天的人身上
没看到QQ上一堆广告?各种弹窗。还动不动扫描硬盘。
卖太阳赚钱没错,但这个和成本转嫁有什么关系?买太阳对QQ是收入,不是成本。花钱买太阳的人也不对其他QQ用户提供服务,纯消费,谈什么转嫁成本?
你这个例子也说明了,找赚钱渠道是正解。百分比收费的功能就是按这个思路,转10块钱会在乎1毛钱的手续费,转10万块不会在乎2块钱的手续费。
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没有人交易,BITCNY就是空中楼閣,如果能保证网络安全,应该免费让用户使用,尽可能提高流动性。
BITCNY 稳定了,你还怕没有盈利模式吗
云币免费2年,时代0.1%双向手续费,为什么时代交易量还是比云币大很多?
BTS 0.x费用低,流动性在哪里?
低价并不是成功的必要因素。

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我没有抬杠,是真不支持这个功能,很简单的事情,手续费都设为1BTS就够了
BTS都这鸟样了,你还有心思玩这些花哨的东西。。。
现在应该支持推广各类建立在BTS上的实际商业应用,比如 transwiser, openledger ...
如果这么久了还是停留在画饼阶段那BTS真没希望,我宁愿退出
手续费都设成1BTS,你用离线钱包转CNY,如果钱包里只有CNY,照样会碰到手续费不够的问题。
很简单,离线钱包就用BTS呗,工具提供又不需要用户配置
你这就是抬杠了。从用户的角度想,为什么离线钱包里就一定要有BTS?BTS价值又不稳定。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 把投票代理设为 baozi, 拒绝BTS增发
« on: January 26, 2016, 01:54:00 am »

2. BTS 网络赚取的手续费(各种转账、交易、升级会员、发行资产等)作为收入,一部分用来支持开发

alt你看过我前面的分析吗?
现在系统每天手续费收入2000BTS不到,并且看样子后面手续费还会降,但是每天光witness支出就要4万多BTS,哪里有利润?
公司要开源节流,更重要的是开源。
利润来源很多,比如升级会员就是一大笔钱
2.0以来升级会员赚的钱,已经被花完了。这种一次性的收入靠不住,除非一直有新用户。
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还有可以对资产所有者征收交易费提成,比如BOTSCNY要开通BTS市场,可以每个月收100块钱,这是长期收入来源。
羊毛出在羊身上。
系统向issuer收钱,issuer还不是把成本转到用户身上,比如提高成交抽成比例?
那还不如直接每笔交易收费直观。
现在2BTS的下单费还都有一堆反对意见,每个月100块,可能吗?
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还可以开展其它高级服务
QQ不会对你聊天收流量费,但会对VIP收费用户提供更高级的服务,这才是可以发展的路线

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我没有抬杠,是真不支持这个功能,很简单的事情,手续费都设为1BTS就够了
BTS都这鸟样了,你还有心思玩这些花哨的东西。。。
现在应该支持推广各类建立在BTS上的实际商业应用,比如 transwiser, openledger ...
如果这么久了还是停留在画饼阶段那BTS真没希望,我宁愿退出
手续费都设成1BTS,你用离线钱包转CNY,如果钱包里只有CNY,照样会碰到手续费不够的问题。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 把投票代理设为 baozi, 拒绝BTS增发
« on: January 26, 2016, 01:42:12 am »

2. BTS 网络赚取的手续费(各种转账、交易、升级会员、发行资产等)作为收入,一部分用来支持开发

alt你看过我前面的分析吗?
现在系统每天手续费收入2000BTS不到,并且看样子后面手续费还会降,但是每天光witness支出就要4万多BTS,哪里有利润?
公司要开源节流,更重要的是开源。

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情况有点复杂了。

由于是按BTS计算费用,由于有喂价,当CER频繁变化时,所需费用也会频繁变化。需要有个缓冲空间来保证用户提交的“大部分”交易能正常完成。

我的想法是继续改代码,在witness_node里记录最近3分钟的CER值,取对用户最有利的值来计算费用。同时,GUI里确认界面设置一个超时时间,比如一分钟。这样,从GUI计算费用,到用户确认、广播,再到witness验证,时间差不多足够。

那些用冷钱包、离线交易的,拼交易包时手续费稍微设高点就行了。应该自己能搞定吧?

To @alt : 帮忙想想实际解决办法吧,我真的不想和你抬杠。


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no, I am afraid that's not a solution
this kinds of complexity/uncertainty will make users felt more worse
Sorry I didn't get what you said.

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I have to re-install windows, I don't have a private key for this account, so I guess I lost it.

Thanks all of you for your help but I think that this account is lost  >:(
If you still have the CORRECT brain key(s), it's possible to recover.
Try "new wallet" -> "custom brain key(advanced mode)"

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Technical Support / Re: is the witness thing running under win?
« on: January 26, 2016, 12:59:20 am »
Thanks everyone.
1) I am running this
BitShares-2.0.160103b-x64-cli-tools.exe

It is the latest for win that I see up there. Is there newer version somewhere?

2)Specifically allowed the witness_node.exe through the firewall. (and turning it off completely - with same results)...
 
Code: [Select]
TCP    0.0.0.0:52122          Inspiron_i5:0          LISTENING


3) I believe I have a connection to this seed node:

 
Code: [Select]
TCP    xxx.156.1.146:52122    188.166.188.206:1779   ESTABLISHED
edit: I thought it was visible from the pic above but it seems not. anyway 188.166.188.206:1779   is one of the seed nodes witness_node.exe is trying to connect to.

What to try next? I believe I was running the witness node during the last hard fork time if this changes anything somehow.
1. Reinstall BitShares-2.0.160103b-x64-cli-tools.exe and take a look at C:\Program Files\BitShares 2\bin\, make sure it's the newest one.
2. start witness_node.exe with parameter "--replay-blockchain"

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Are we talking about the woodygar-1 account?

I can see it has 1 year membership but no cashback-vesting-balance object attached. Not sure if that's how it's supposed to be.

Code: [Select]
get_account woodygar-1
{
  "id": "1.2.93566",
  "membership_expiration_date": "2017-01-23T12:18:24",
  "registrar": "1.2.90713",
  "referrer": "1.2.93566",
  "lifetime_referrer": "1.2.90713",
  "network_fee_percentage": 2000,
  "lifetime_referrer_fee_percentage": 3000,
  "referrer_rewards_percentage": 0,
  "name": "woodygar-1",
  "owner": { ... },
  "active": { ... },
  "options": { ... },
  "statistics": "2.6.93566",
  "whitelisting_accounts": [],
  "blacklisting_accounts": [],
  "blacklisted_accounts": []
}

The statistics object doesn't show any pending fees although it seems you're quite active. Strange. I was probably looking at the wrong moment.

Hm, looking at the code it seems that your referrer_rewards_percentage is the problem. The network gets 20% of your fees, the lifetime referrer gets 30% and the remaining 50% is split between you and the registrar according to the referrer_rewards_percentage.

This might be a bug. @bytemaster ?
Imo the design/implementation of annual membership is probably wrong.

Assume account A is registered by account B (the registrar), and referred by account C (the referrer).

Before A upgraded to annual member, when A pays a fee, it splits for example as 20% network + 25% registrar + 55% referrer.

After A upgraded to annual member, when A pays a fee, it should split as 20% network + 50% A + (1-20%-50%)*25%/(1-20%)=9.375% registrar + (1-20%-50%)*55%/(1-20%)=20.625% referrer.

I remember in the code there are "lifetime referrer", "registrar", "referrer", imo they should all be different in this scenario. Imo "lifetime referrer" should be A, and "registrar" and "referrer" should be whatever unchanged.

Will re-read the code when have time.

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