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problem solved already.

I had to put the private keys of both accounts into one wallet and change the ownership threshold from 2 to 1 without a transaction proposal.

That did the job.

I was testing the Multi-Sig function with two different accounts but ended up in a trap.

The accounts involved are:
A http://cryptofresh.com/u/tomorrowland
B http://cryptofresh.com/u/ticca2

The goal was that I need a signature from A + B for a transaction of account A

Account Details - A
Threshold 2
weight 1 Tomorrowland
weight 1 Ticca2

Problem Summary:

For any action Tomorrowland need the approval of ticca via approving a proposal (which is fine, no issue here). But the proposal also needs to be approved by Tomorrowland. This approval action of Tomorrowland required multisig approval from ticca which would mean another proposal from Tomorrowland which again Tomorrowland could not sign.

Mult Sig problem?

so is an auto sign from tomorrowland missing?

Chat protocoll:

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:25]
How can I agree to a proposed transaction in a multi sig? I get a "no ownership" error :/

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:26]
I have one account with 2 owners with 1 power each.  I am now trying to change it back to 1 owner, but i canot do it. any Idea?

Bhuz, [03.01.17 18:29]
What is the threshold?

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:30]
2

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:30]
each owner key has 1

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:30]
Do you have both keys imported into your wallet?

Bhuz, [03.01.17 18:31]
You need both then

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:31]
no, I have one in the lightclient, one on ol

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:31]
I am training with multi sig

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:31]
so the 2 keys are in seperate wallets

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:32]
They are owner keys, not active keys right?

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:32]
yes, owner

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:32]
I want to build a multi sig where 2 people have to sign a transaction of accoun a

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:33]
if i do treshhold 2 with active keys, I still can transfer with just one key

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:34]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
You should be able to propose a TX on one key and approve the proposal with the other key such as changing the threshold back to 1. IIRC there was a problem where you couldn't do TXs requiring active keys such as a transfer using owner keys.

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:37]
Failed to broadcast the transaction:
Missing Authority

Data Security Node, [03.01.17 18:37]
u sure the owner is there?

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:37]
I get that error when I want to approve a proposed transaction to change the ownership treshold back to 1

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:38]
I tried both, a proposal from owner, and one from extern account

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:38]
both do not work

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:39]
I did not try to import the external account into the main wallet

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:39]
and then try it again

Jim, [03.01.17 18:39]
I think the issue here is the multisig account to does not have permission to approve a proposal (for which it is a signer) as it requires multisig approval from its partner to broadcast that approval

Jim, [03.01.17 18:40]
Can you share the name of the multisig account so we can look at the permissions?

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:41]
sure

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:42]
http://cryptofresh.com/u/tomorrowland

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:42]
[In reply to Jim]
I think so too

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:42]
is it a design bug?

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:43]
What's ticca2? Do you have ticca2's active keys imported?

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:43]
Don't forget you need to approve your own proposal even if you were the one to propose it.

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:44]
So you need to approve from both ticca2 and your other key

BTSWolf, [03.01.17 18:44]
@ChristophHering will I be able to pay with blockpay at tomorrowland 2017?

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:44]
I have ticca2 in a seperate wallet on the webwallet, tomorrowland is in a seperate wallet in lightclient

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:44]
You will get a pin to tomorrowland

BTSWolf, [03.01.17 18:44]
A pin?

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:45]
In the movie, people get a pin as entry ticket

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:45]
here it would be a token

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:45]
I approved the proposal from ticca2, but I cannot from tomorowland. Here i get the error

Jim, [03.01.17 18:46]
Desifn wise. If the theroy above is corect. I think it could be resolved if the person broadcasting a proposal would automatically be an approved of said proposal. Then you could propose a proposal which could be approved by the multisig partner who would then approve the actual proposal. Best method I have found is to use 3 accounts where 1 is a the multisig savings account a d the other 2 are signers

BTSWolf, [03.01.17 18:46]
So this is not related to the tomorrowland festivals?

Jim, [03.01.17 18:46]
[In reply to BTSWolf]
Yes soon you can pay with blockpay anywhere

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:47]
mh, that will be the next test

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:48]
Check your permission tab, click on the public key and is there a "show a private key" label?

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:49]
from the original owner or from the external owner?

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:49]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
The one not owned by ticca2

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:49]
ok

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:51]
I can only see the private key from the orignal owner tomorrowland, I cannot see it from ticca the added owner

BTSWolf, [03.01.17 18:52]
[In reply to BTSWolf]
@ChristophHering

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:52]
[In reply to BTSWolf]
nope, but they might buy the account later? I would be open to sell

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:52]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
If you can see the original owner private key when clicking on its public key, you shouldn't have any problems.

BTSWolf, [03.01.17 18:54]
Haha, should contact them, as far as I know they are already using their own currency on the festivals but still off-chain.

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:55]
will probably happen this year

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:55]
lets see, first we would need to get blockpay and the smartcoinswallet into a wristband

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:55]
[In reply to (Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz]
ok, so what should I do with the private key?

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 18:57]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
If it's shown, nothing it should just work

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:57]
mh

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:57]
I can import the account into the other wallet and see what happens

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 18:57]
but then I still have a problem how to construct a 2 way multi sig

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:02]
just short info, I put up a special thread for the bitshares mumble. You can find it here https://steemit.com/bitshares/@Chris4210/bitshares-hangout-2-1-6-17

Jim, [03.01.17 19:06]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
I setup some test accounts with the same multisig as you to see if I could resolve the issue by importing keys.  But I cannot import my privates keys into OL. Maybe you could try and confirm

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:07]
mh even after I imported ticca2 into the same wallet as tomorrowland, I still cannot confirm the proposed transaction...

Jim, [03.01.17 19:08]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
Sounds like you import was successful the  wtf is going on with my browser

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:08]
importing private key is the easiest

Jim, [03.01.17 19:08]
Can you see the private keys of ticca in the Tomorrowland account (little key icon) in permissions?

Jim, [03.01.17 19:09]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
I just have a rolling open ledger symbol restore was fine then I click import keys and the wheels just keep turn ing

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:11]
[In reply to Jim]
I can see the private owner keys, but not the private active keys. strange

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 19:11]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
But they are both the same right?

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 19:12]
Also public keys =/= private keys

Jim, [03.01.17 19:12]
Active and owner are different. You could import the active as well for fun. I still think we'll will be in the same issue but wanted to see if there was a way out

Jim, [03.01.17 19:14]
[In reply to (Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz]
If the private keys are not imported he should not see the key icon yes? I think he has imported the owner private key of ticca into Tomorrowland.  Just not the active key

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 19:14]
[In reply to Jim]
Ah you are right, his owner and active keys are different

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:14]
[In reply to Jim]
correct

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 19:14]
[In reply to Jim]
Yup

Jim, [03.01.17 19:15]
Might as well import the active key as well

Jim, [03.01.17 19:15]
Best case if we get this working all we will do is reduce threshold to 1 and then start again.. with 3 axcounts

Jim, [03.01.17 19:16]
Wish I could play too

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:16]
let me see what happens

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:17]
http://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.958

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:17]
here is the proposal

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:17]
maybe we get an idea here

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 19:18]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
You have not approved the proposal with either ticca2 or with the other keys

Jim, [03.01.17 19:19]
I am looking in the wallet and ticca has approved

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:19]
I have with ticca2, but i cannot with tomorrowland

Jim, [03.01.17 19:19]
Maybe cryptofresh takes time to update

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 19:20]
[In reply to Jim]
Hmm maybe, I trust you

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:20]
Also when I try to make a 2nd proposal with tomorrowland to approve the  1nd proposal, I get an error.

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:20]
its really a trap haha

(Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz, [03.01.17 19:21]
Wait you don't make a second proposal, you just approve and choose the correct key

Jim, [03.01.17 19:21]
Can you propose an approval? - I think the problem will still exist as the proposal will still need to be approve and the account does not have authority to broadcast ot

Jim, [03.01.17 19:21]
Sorry slow msg

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:21]
[In reply to (Valentin | Lin9uxis) from Devling.xyz]
thats the problem, I cannot approve the 1nd proposal :/

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:22]
I cannot even add a 3 owner key with a 2 threshold power because i need aproval for that too lol

Jim, [03.01.17 19:22]
[In reply to BlockPay - Christoph Hering]
Yes

Jim, [03.01.17 19:23]
When I did my test I found the same trap but because I didn't multisig the owners I could just back out and try again

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:24]
maybe fabian has an idea when he is back, he is at a meetup tng

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:24]
Maybe it would be also helpful to set up a small warning for this problem. So that other people can read about that problem.

Jim, [03.01.17 19:27]
For any action Tomorrowland need the approval of ticca via approving a proposal (which is fine, no issue here). But the proposal also needs to be approved by Tomorrowland. This approval action of Tomorrowland required multisig approval from ticca which would mean another proposal from Tomorrowland which again Tomorrowland could not sign

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:27]
correct

BlockPay - Christoph Hering, [03.01.17 19:28]
so is an auto sign from tomorrowland missing? @xeroc

Any ideas how can I  out of the trap? How can I separate these two accounts again?

Hi Yao,

Thank you for your efforts and work for BitShares. I will vote for your Witness.

Can you share a few more info about the YOYOW project?

cheers Chris

I read the proposal and also agree to vote for the worker. I am supporting all projects that help to onboard new developers to BitShares and makes it easier to get started.

I am also curious how the BitUSD payment will work. This could help us with future workers.

Best regards,

Christoph

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