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Technical Support / Re: My Committe Slate
« on: October 25, 2015, 02:43:58 pm »good list, I too like xeroc.
Has anyone publicly declared an interest in being on the committee?
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General Discussion / Re: The Bitshares Bond Market could be the ultimate feature to bring liquidity.
« on: October 23, 2015, 04:20:26 pm »
yes I think so ,bond market also can supply many fee
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General Discussion / Re: We cannot let a baby to earn money
« on: October 23, 2015, 10:53:48 am »transaction is not fee,Here is a radical idea, how about negative fees aka negative interest? This would function just like dividends would, so that people instead of paying a fee would get paid to make transactions?
Of course BTS 2.0 would have to operate at a deficit but at least we'd get the new users right? Even if they are bots?
A radical idea indeed, but how would you prevent gaming the system by spamming bots?
0.1`bts fee in bts 1.0 ,no one gaming the system by spamming bots , do you think there have man to gaming the system at a higher level fee
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General Discussion / Re: [requesting help with] a 0.9.3c key file "compactor" for faster 2.0 imports
« on: October 23, 2015, 09:08:37 am »I want to build a tool that will strip a 0.9.3c export file of empty balance keys, as I understand this is the primary cause of slow imports.I also try to build a tool that any export key with balance ,
The first thing I did was to pre-process the 2.0 genesis file and put each unique key on its own line.
There are 4 types of public keys: account-owner, account-active, balance, and vesting balance.
By my count, there is a total of 250,084 unique keys in the genesis file.
Here's a sample of the processed output:Code: [Select]BTS7w6nraWnLP2vvXhZJoiNw23ZzwZQpYe6EDQ86X4W4q9vRVSkKb pptall1 (active key) (lifetime)
BTS7w6nraWnLP2vvXhZJoiNw23ZzwZQpYe6EDQ86X4W4q9vRVSkKb pptall1 (owner key) (lifetime)
BTS5aR1DMjc1YLi82S1dUSxvUrxpuf52mKKEHF4H6EJr8YJxv6ZRk itunes (active key)
BTS5aR1DMjc1YLi82S1dUSxvUrxpuf52mKKEHF4H6EJr8YJxv6ZRk itunes (owner key)
BTS7N9L3mXEcyS5kBeYovZMjTAFVMNDY8e737jg2T6xa9x4YfKyDB qfhtw (active key) (lifetime)
BTS7N9L3mXEcyS5kBeYovZMjTAFVMNDY8e737jg2T6xa9x4YfKyDB qfhtw (owner key) (lifetime)
BTS8KeeWrZNMVksJFk4xW8EzMbfJxSG4WKMHKxeu9ghcQVenDdD3Y lfj (active key)
BTS8KeeWrZNMVksJFk4xW8EzMbfJxSG4WKMHKxeu9ghcQVenDdD3Y lfj (owner key)
BTS6sgieE6Hp1MHfX8xj3m4gQSai1ZYbwpSKLUuUyB145WQD9s1d1 asusa (active key) (lifetime)
BTS6sgieE6Hp1MHfX8xj3m4gQSai1ZYbwpSKLUuUyB145WQD9s1d1 asusa (owner key) (lifetime)
BTS84xPPonkZcssdD3CK4Ga6Uk878MEyybzAJnnVLBEvz67H18xRV lhb (active key)
BTS84xPPonkZcssdD3CK4Ga6Uk878MEyybzAJnnVLBEvz67H18xRV lhb (owner key)
BTS6AuyvQxZihktvkfY5Quazg27nu8uHRBedmUiPB9sn13M7ngDSV daniellarimer (active key)
BTS6AuyvQxZihktvkfY5Quazg27nu8uHRBedmUiPB9sn13M7ngDSV daniellarimer (owner key)
[....]
BTS1DabHAHdQeXFre6PC2YYGeayhuKuniVF 139895643 BTS
BTS1Dny3PirXmuRAMEWVi34fSsRWQpK7LZk 490645755 BTS
BTS1EFYgopx2r2zb9rzMAxtnfGn4GbPmpAa 21084 BTS
BTS1GFnzJf9q1QxegMufbHeWbRWD1mGXWdi 7070002 BTS
BTS1HMKhb6m9iHUKEUDTFdgxVSsgrsALwoQ 10000 BTS
BTS1JoujPuh25UY54dMqwSWVh46aEAE8gwi 4 CNY
BTS1Kkovbwo6eHxqxcrAxcMHotjUq5orGvQ 100000 BTS
BTS1KossAtqDrMc6NSX1EnCUbz9X5nnX93v 1 USD
BTS1Lc1y6bfwWzy2BvXTBLwEUyevK1Xh7Uh 1 CNY
BTS1M9qUwuJLt8ziqpkx4wgPaoWofQu1jmd 8459 BTS
[....]
BTSQEfUxEonuTvMzQ1Dju99SWVp6UisfUdQs 71656 BTS (vesting)
BTSQEiSzJERXqeCxbyy43sGdDr7fVRnQrWNx 6686334 BTS (vesting)
BTSQEigNwanoeCh7Gf4yErCaEAapG39KnJo2 9541 BTS (vesting)
BTSQEmYusBAvVFy6raYMYk51Pdd7GsaQzjpe 116821 BTS (vesting)
BTSQEo58CfiShWNWjAfyo5LE5uyBKgsQWgAq 321730 BTS (vesting)
BTSQEoQVa7LBaHLjSRRMaCZSRxmyV6U1iRh1 3892856327 BTS (vesting)
BTSQEpuL3mZR5jRSeYDvGb7iBZdXH42M2wCm 14952 BTS (vesting)
BTSQEq1uTzTb8hugonsGhugCo2T2vmq5QzdG 3574773 BTS (vesting)
BTSQEsL8W7oGQPExWDzc1EqDS6qKtVkKEZ1M 12998 BTS (vesting)
The next step is to parse the keys.json file and check what matches or doesn't.
I'm getting positive matches on account keys, but not balances.
So it seems the balance key format is different between the genesis and the export file.
Could someone explain the difference in formats and help me convert one to the other?
but I find all keys don`t have balance
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 9月17日,Follow My Vote参加了布伦南中心的司法活动
« on: October 23, 2015, 07:08:33 am »
ebit 你的文章里总透着风.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: BTS几种钱包的功能说明。
« on: October 23, 2015, 07:04:13 am »净土，那个网页钱包用IE打开就一直：LOADING.....，用谷歌浏览器倒是可以打开正常使用，怎么办？那就用google 浏览器打开啊
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General Discussion / We cannot let a baby to earn money ,about high fee
« on: October 23, 2015, 06:32:04 am »
There was a thread discuss transaction fee , why I open a new one , because this thread does not focus on if the fee high or low , it focus on when need low fee , when need high fee, and how to adjust it .
My core mind want to express is one sentence : we cannot let a baby to earn money.
I am an old man in this thread ,but today I want to introduce me more , I am a big fans of BTS, yes .
I am a big fans of bts, I think , I spend most of my spare time on this, help user resolve all kinds of wallet problem.
I manage a qq group in China include most of bts fans and active investor.
I hire a high speed vps in China run full node since bts launched to support bts user that network block by GWF, now supply a bts 2.0 API data source. ws://btaer.com:8090
as non-IT worker ,I learn nodejs and run a faucet website for user register from China till bts1.0 stop , help several hundreds of people to register account.
and I think many bts fans like me ,and do more thing than me .
back to main topic
Debating about fee is very violent, many people think fee is fit , but most of people from China think fee is high,
low fee make bts system cannot get profit ,and also influence referral program ,but other people think high fee cannot attack new user.
I had a suggestion in the old thread , but I glad to emphasize it again , the purpose it make we focus on when charge high fee , when low fee is needed .
my suggestion is adjust fee according to average transaction per second (TPS)
we can select a term , such as 15 days as one months , adjust the fee according to TPS value
1. if TPS<=5. fee=2bts or $0.01
2. if 5<TPS<=10 , fee=4bts or $0.02
3. if 10<TPS<=20, fee=6bts or $0.03
4. if 20<TPS<=40 fee=8bts or $0.04
5. if 40<TPS<=80 fee=10 bts or $0.05
6. if 80<TPS<=160 fee=12bts or $0.06
7. if 160 <TPS<320 fee=14bts or $0.07
8. if 320<TPS<=640 fee=16bts or $0.08
9.if 640 <TPS<=1280 fee=18bts or $0.09
10. if 1280<TPS<=2560 fee=20bts or $0.10
11. if TPS>2560 fee=40bts or $0.20
my core mind is "we cannot let a baby to earn money"
high fee supporter think BTS must been a system with profit , yes ,if the TPS reach to 160+ TPS , fee per tx is 0.06 , the fee income per day=0.06*160*3600*24=$829,440 , one year is $300M , I think no one doubt profit capacity of bts
but now bts is a baby, we cannot let a baby to earn money .
when TPS <=5 , the fee is only $0.01, it is basically free , it have big attraction to new user.
it also does not influence referral programs .
My core mind want to express is one sentence : we cannot let a baby to earn money.
I am an old man in this thread ,but today I want to introduce me more , I am a big fans of BTS, yes .
I am a big fans of bts, I think , I spend most of my spare time on this, help user resolve all kinds of wallet problem.
I manage a qq group in China include most of bts fans and active investor.
I hire a high speed vps in China run full node since bts launched to support bts user that network block by GWF, now supply a bts 2.0 API data source. ws://btaer.com:8090
as non-IT worker ,I learn nodejs and run a faucet website for user register from China till bts1.0 stop , help several hundreds of people to register account.
and I think many bts fans like me ,and do more thing than me .
back to main topic
Debating about fee is very violent, many people think fee is fit , but most of people from China think fee is high,
low fee make bts system cannot get profit ,and also influence referral program ,but other people think high fee cannot attack new user.
I had a suggestion in the old thread , but I glad to emphasize it again , the purpose it make we focus on when charge high fee , when low fee is needed .
my suggestion is adjust fee according to average transaction per second (TPS)
we can select a term , such as 15 days as one months , adjust the fee according to TPS value
1. if TPS<=5. fee=2bts or $0.01
2. if 5<TPS<=10 , fee=4bts or $0.02
3. if 10<TPS<=20, fee=6bts or $0.03
4. if 20<TPS<=40 fee=8bts or $0.04
5. if 40<TPS<=80 fee=10 bts or $0.05
6. if 80<TPS<=160 fee=12bts or $0.06
7. if 160 <TPS<320 fee=14bts or $0.07
8. if 320<TPS<=640 fee=16bts or $0.08
9.if 640 <TPS<=1280 fee=18bts or $0.09
10. if 1280<TPS<=2560 fee=20bts or $0.10
11. if TPS>2560 fee=40bts or $0.20
my core mind is "we cannot let a baby to earn money"
high fee supporter think BTS must been a system with profit , yes ,if the TPS reach to 160+ TPS , fee per tx is 0.06 , the fee income per day=0.06*160*3600*24=$829,440 , one year is $300M , I think no one doubt profit capacity of bts
but now bts is a baby, we cannot let a baby to earn money .
when TPS <=5 , the fee is only $0.01, it is basically free , it have big attraction to new user.
it also does not influence referral programs .
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General Discussion / Re: Lowering Transfer Fees
« on: October 23, 2015, 04:28:36 am »
i think it is too different to get a conclusion
if team leader luck of intelligence.it would become bad
margin dns and vote make bts lost many user
and high fee would make bts lost more user again
the fact that price almost fall to lowest show we are losting user
if there is no user use it. ,it just a usless code without value.
my last suggestion about fee
adjust fee according to transaction per second
1. if tps <5. fee=2bts
2. if 5<tps<10 ,fee=4bts
3. if 10<tps<20,fee=6bts
4. if 20<tps<40 fee=8bts
5. if 40<tps<80 fee=10 bts
6. if 80<tps<160 fee= 12 bts
7. if 160 <tps<320 fee=14bts
8. if 320<tps<640 fee=16bts
9.if 640 <tps<1280 fee= 18bts
10. if tps>1280 fee=20bts
if team leader luck of intelligence.it would become bad
margin dns and vote make bts lost many user
and high fee would make bts lost more user again
the fact that price almost fall to lowest show we are losting user
if there is no user use it. ,it just a usless code without value.
my last suggestion about fee
adjust fee according to transaction per second
1. if tps <5. fee=2bts
2. if 5<tps<10 ,fee=4bts
3. if 10<tps<20,fee=6bts
4. if 20<tps<40 fee=8bts
5. if 40<tps<80 fee=10 bts
6. if 80<tps<160 fee= 12 bts
7. if 160 <tps<320 fee=14bts
8. if 320<tps<640 fee=16bts
9.if 640 <tps<1280 fee= 18bts
10. if tps>1280 fee=20bts
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 讨论一下手续费的问题
« on: October 22, 2015, 12:07:22 pm »这个西方兄弟想法的确不一样，
鉴于英文区争论火爆，而俺不懂英文，就英文区对手续费的争论，我搞不懂BM及西方世界的兄弟们是怎么考虑的，我认为现在BTS的焦点不在这里，然而又与手续费这个息息相关；
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中文 (Chinese) / BTS几种钱包的功能说明。
« on: October 22, 2015, 11:59:16 am »
在github.com 上BTS的钱包有几种，而这些钱包分别有什么用途。
1.命令行工具 下载地址https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-2/releases/download/v2.15.294/BitShares-2.15.294-x64-cli-tools.exe
解压后里面有三个可执行文件。
1）witness_node.exe ：witness和全节点 需要运行的程序，主要功能是witness出块和全节点块链验证。
2）delayed_node.exe ：延时全节点，和witness_node.exe 类似，延时验证块链。
3）cli_wallet.exe ： 命令行钱包，提供全部钱包网络命令。
2.自建重钱包 参考https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19071.0.html
3.轻钱包（中心化数据源） BitShares-light_2.15.292.exe https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-2/releases/download/v2.15.286/BitShares-light_2.15.292.exe
：轻钱包，需要有中心化的API数据才能运行（要不然会白板）默认openlenger 提供API数据，也可以使用国内几个爱好者提供的API
香港双线服务（极乐净土提供）：ws://btaer.com:8090
play小组 ：ws://bitshares.dacplay.org:8090
老狼维护的新加坡节点 ： 128.199.143.47:2016
4.网页钱包 官方站：https://bitshares.org/wallet
openledge站 ：bitshares.openledger.info
中国play站 https://bitshares.dacplay.org?r=k1 内建推荐系统(k1 是推荐人）
1.命令行工具 下载地址https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-2/releases/download/v2.15.294/BitShares-2.15.294-x64-cli-tools.exe
解压后里面有三个可执行文件。
1）witness_node.exe ：witness和全节点 需要运行的程序，主要功能是witness出块和全节点块链验证。
2）delayed_node.exe ：延时全节点，和witness_node.exe 类似，延时验证块链。
3）cli_wallet.exe ： 命令行钱包，提供全部钱包网络命令。
2.自建重钱包 参考https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19071.0.html
3.轻钱包（中心化数据源） BitShares-light_2.15.292.exe https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-2/releases/download/v2.15.286/BitShares-light_2.15.292.exe
：轻钱包，需要有中心化的API数据才能运行（要不然会白板）默认openlenger 提供API数据，也可以使用国内几个爱好者提供的API
香港双线服务（极乐净土提供）：ws://btaer.com:8090
play小组 ：ws://bitshares.dacplay.org:8090
老狼维护的新加坡节点 ： 128.199.143.47:2016
4.网页钱包 官方站：https://bitshares.org/wallet
openledge站 ：bitshares.openledger.info
中国play站 https://bitshares.dacplay.org?r=k1 内建推荐系统(k1 是推荐人）
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General Discussion / Re: Lowering Transfer Fees
« on: October 22, 2015, 06:56:40 am »to be fair - the only reason why the high fees are needed are because of the not working referral system!if just reduce the transfer fee , it any a little influence to referral system!
the prices right now are fine with western world, but to get popular in other region we should lower the fees on the small end (small transaction).
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General Discussion / Re: Lowering Transfer Fees
« on: October 22, 2015, 03:24:27 am »lower the transfer fees for now but make sure the lifetime member gets his 1/4 discount (or whatever that fraction is currently). I mean the network is all set up anyway, so we might as well be generating activity. we can talk about raising fees when we have too much traffic.I notice you a fact, user does not transfer and transfer , a normal user cannot transfer often , so they maybe not update to life-member , though they any bring a little fee to bts, but they can make BTS more popular, it is a big value.
Keep the wallet creation fees high.
but user often exchange ( buy/sell , get profile by back-spread) , so I think many participant of exchange would become life-time member
my blueprint of bts is :
1.there are many many user transfer small amount bitusd ( $1~$10) by bts , they pay a little fee to bts at low fee level ,but make bts more popular . also they are the potential participant of exchange , and potential life-time member .
2. there are many user are exchange participant , the bring a half fee to BTS, most of them are life-time member.
3. there are a little user are borrow/bond and other high risk/profit participant. they pay a lot of fee to bts at a high fee level.
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General Discussion / Re: Lowering Transfer Fees
« on: October 22, 2015, 02:46:40 am »
I have two suggestion
1. reduce the transfer fee ,transfer fee should been lower than exchange fee , and the reasons are :
1). transfer is a equivalent process between sender and receive. is it very sensitive with fee especially small amount transfer .
2). small amount transfer with low fee can attract people to try transfer bitusd by BTS
3). compare transfer and exchange , transfer is a lower level service than exchange , because transfer between user cannot get profit , but exchange (buy/sell bts or other IOU) can get profit .
2. what is profit from after reduce transfer fee
1). as an exchange system , main profit is made by exchange . user does not normal often ,but user would exchange often , so reduce transfer basically does not reduce much.
and I must emphasize once more , I think ,though user cannot transfer often , high transfer fee prevent new user to try transfer by bts
2). as you (BM) mention "We can keep blind transfers at a higher price " it is higher level service pay higher fee
3). bond like other high everaged transaction/exchange should pay high fee .
1. reduce the transfer fee ,transfer fee should been lower than exchange fee , and the reasons are :
1). transfer is a equivalent process between sender and receive. is it very sensitive with fee especially small amount transfer .
2). small amount transfer with low fee can attract people to try transfer bitusd by BTS
3). compare transfer and exchange , transfer is a lower level service than exchange , because transfer between user cannot get profit , but exchange (buy/sell bts or other IOU) can get profit .
2. what is profit from after reduce transfer fee
1). as an exchange system , main profit is made by exchange . user does not normal often ,but user would exchange often , so reduce transfer basically does not reduce much.
and I must emphasize once more , I think ,though user cannot transfer often , high transfer fee prevent new user to try transfer by bts
2). as you (BM) mention "We can keep blind transfers at a higher price " it is higher level service pay higher fee
3). bond like other high everaged transaction/exchange should pay high fee .
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Suggest reduce transfer fee ,please don`t give up small amount transfer .
« on: October 21, 2015, 02:20:28 pm »
many people think fee is high while other think fee is fit ,
so I think let btser decide it by stock voting ,
it is the best way, and more important thing is , don`t try to control bts ,become btser would hate the man that try to control bts if the price of bts decrease
but if the decision is made by voting , btser don`t hate on one , though the price of bts become zero
so I think let btser decide it by stock voting ,
it is the best way, and more important thing is , don`t try to control bts ,become btser would hate the man that try to control bts if the price of bts decrease
but if the decision is made by voting , btser don`t hate on one , though the price of bts become zero
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Stakeholder Proposals / Suggest reduce transfer fee ,please don`t give up small amount transfer .
« on: October 21, 2015, 02:07:38 pm »
Suggest reduce transfer fee ,please don`t give up small amount transfer .
if keep transfer fee 0.2$, it mean give up small amount transfer market, small amount transfer is a very important market for BTS, I think.
1. many potential user of bts( bitusd/bitcny) is small amount transfer I think , if people transfer a larger amount of money , they more possible transfer it by bank or other payment system. because bitusd/bitcny is a small payment system. if they are not fans of bts, they may not trust bts system , so they cannot transfer a larger amount of money by bts (bitusd/bitcny) , but the high transfer would prevent them try it . if his transfer value is below $2, the transfer fee is 10%. but there is no obvious fee advantage , why they try it ?
2. user of small amount transfer does not become life-times member basically , they may just transfer several times per mouth, so they fee is much fee to them.
what user would update to life-time member , I think it include market marker , trader and other fans of bts, but not most of user?
3. small amount transfer maybe cannot bring bts many fee, but they bring bts to public, make bts more popular .
4. keep exchange fee ,it also can support profit of bts system and referral program
ps : I now manage a QQ group that include most of active user and investor of BTS in Chain ,
basically most of they think the fee is high , and think transfer should been reduced
if keep transfer fee 0.2$, it mean give up small amount transfer market, small amount transfer is a very important market for BTS, I think.
1. many potential user of bts( bitusd/bitcny) is small amount transfer I think , if people transfer a larger amount of money , they more possible transfer it by bank or other payment system. because bitusd/bitcny is a small payment system. if they are not fans of bts, they may not trust bts system , so they cannot transfer a larger amount of money by bts (bitusd/bitcny) , but the high transfer would prevent them try it . if his transfer value is below $2, the transfer fee is 10%. but there is no obvious fee advantage , why they try it ?
2. user of small amount transfer does not become life-times member basically , they may just transfer several times per mouth, so they fee is much fee to them.
what user would update to life-time member , I think it include market marker , trader and other fans of bts, but not most of user?
3. small amount transfer maybe cannot bring bts many fee, but they bring bts to public, make bts more popular .
4. keep exchange fee ,it also can support profit of bts system and referral program
ps : I now manage a QQ group that include most of active user and investor of BTS in Chain ,
basically most of they think the fee is high , and think transfer should been reduced
