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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 创建资产的命令
« on: November 16, 2014, 03:27:10 am »alt你知不知道，发行资产后能分红吗？比如我发行一个基金，10000股，然后每个月想给每股分红10 btsx。目前可以实现吗？
这个问题，我在前几个星期的mumble hangout 里问过bm，他的意思是最好的方法是在内场挂单，用bitusd回购资产。
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这个问题，我在前几个星期的mumble hangout 里问过bm，他的意思是最好的方法是在内场挂单，用bitusd回购资产。
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Somebody is runing a delegate ,but always spread unfavourable news
« on: November 03, 2014, 01:17:26 am »there is nothing to do with QQ agreement. the zhao's group is not open to public so it is private group which should respect ppl's privacy. and sfinder is not linked to that guy in qq group .obviously you are not a good liar.
please show the evidence from this forum. do not use "he says and she says "my question is if zhao150's qq group open for public or just for friendsis the QQ group a public place and everybody free to get in? I heard QQ group need apply to join。
stick to the point. answer my question: which sentense in the user agreement makes you think it that way?
either opening for public or just for the so called friends(as far as i know, the people in that group are not friends, you wanna in, you are in) won't change the fact that everything you say there is NOT privacy, especially when it comes to fud.
if you don't think so, point me to the sentense in the user agreement to correct me.
don't try to divert attention away by your ridiculous attemption to sueing xiaoshan.
we know words, we are not stupid, we are not sfinder's TA.
sue xiaoshan, please.
you want evidence, no problem.
stay tuned, not turned.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Somebody is runing a delegate ,but always spread unfavourable news
« on: November 03, 2014, 12:25:40 am »my question is if zhao150's qq group open for public or just for friendsis the QQ group a public place and everybody free to get in? I heard QQ group need apply to join。
stick to the point. answer my question: which sentense in the user agreement makes you think it that way?
either opening for public or just for the so called friends(as far as i know, the people in that group are not friends, you wanna in, you are in) won't change the fact that everything you say there is NOT privacy, especially when it comes to fud.
if you don't think so, point me to the sentense in the user agreement to correct me.
don't try to divert attention away by your ridiculous attemption to sueing xiaoshan.
we know words, we are not stupid, we are not sfinder's TA.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Somebody is runing a delegate ,but always spread unfavourable news
« on: November 03, 2014, 12:09:38 am »is the QQ group a public place and everybody free to get in? I heard QQ group need apply to join。
stick to the point. answer my question: which sentense in the user agreement makes you think it that way?
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Somebody is runing a delegate ,but always spread unfavourable news
« on: November 02, 2014, 11:59:28 pm »
hi shan, sorry for bugging you . just try to confirm with you if the QQ message is from private QQ group and not a public forum? i know in china ppl do not respect the privacy but in USA we do .
"Zhao150" told me the QQ message screenshot was from his private QQ group and you took it without his permission. I think we should respect ppl's privacy. can not post ppl's private message in the public. it is violated our US law. you may get sued
are you sure you were not kidding me ?
anyway, i kinda hope you say it that way.
can you please tell me why you think the messages in the qq chat group should be treated as someone's privacy? a chat group is usually made up of many people, whatever someone says there is the message he wants everybody to know.
let me take one step back, here is the user agreement of the qq chat group, which sentence makes you think it that way? point me there, please.
http://admin.qun.qq.com/create/agreement.html
sfinder,
we have tones of evidences. we know that and you know that.
you keep denying, we keep releasing. your choise.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Somebody is runing a delegate ,but always spread unfavourable news
« on: November 02, 2014, 09:49:04 pm »
sfinder, i know you are watching this.
you can deny everything you've done.
you can spread fud everywhere.
you can fuxx everybody up even when you are running delegates.
you are free to do whatever you want to.
BUT, take my words, you know what that means.
善恶终有报，天道本轮回；不信抬头看，苍天饶过谁？
人在做，天在看。
you can deny everything you've done.
you can spread fud everywhere.
you can fuxx everybody up even when you are running delegates.
you are free to do whatever you want to.
BUT, take my words, you know what that means.
善恶终有报，天道本轮回；不信抬头看，苍天饶过谁？
人在做，天在看。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 关于BTS升级，几件你应该知道的事情
« on: November 01, 2014, 07:04:31 pm »小山的建议有技术上实现的难度。还是不建议我不认为有什么技术上的难度。比如设定一个参考的支付率5%，超过这个比例的受托人，其工资形成通胀；小于或等于这个比例的受托人，其工资由手续费支出，不形成通胀，就跟目前BTSX的一样。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 关于代表工资通胀---投票，今天破9分了！！
« on: November 01, 2014, 06:35:08 pm »
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10874.0
4. 关于通胀，你应该至少看到以下几点：
A. BTS X运行几个月以来，受托人的平均每块报酬约为1.5个BTSX，来自于手续费（转账、创建资产、注册账号、注册受托人）+ 爆仓BTSX的5%
B. 升级后，每个块最多产出50个BTS给受托人，但是，只有能让社区信服的开发者、市场推广者，才能以高支付率赢得选票(这将是他们的工资)；其他的受托人只能设置低支付率，目前大多数人都觉得3%是合理的，也就是每个块1.5个BTS，跟目前大概一致.
C. 升级后，所有的手续费+ 爆仓BTSX的5% 将被直接销毁。
D. 一个简单的计算：
升级前：股份总量≈ 20亿—（手续费 + 爆仓BTSX的5%）*（100%--受托人平均支付率）
升级后：股份总量≈ 25亿 + 高支付率受托人收入 + 低支付率受托人收入- 手续费 – 爆仓BTS的5%
综上，第二条式子里，低支付率受托人收入 ≈≈（手续费 + 爆仓BTS的5%），也就是说，增发的部分主要来源于高支付率受托人。
假设升级后101个受托人里，有20个高支付率（100%）受托人，那么一年下来新增的股份数量≈ 6 块/分钟 * 60 分钟 * 24 小时 * 365 天 / 101 受托人 * 20 高支付率受托人* 50 bts/块 = 31223762 bts，那升级一年后，通胀率约为31223762 / 22.5 亿 ≈1.39 %；
最极端的情况下（101个受托人全部收取100%收入），通胀率约为7%。
小山版主已发帖呼吁低支付率受托人的收入继续直接从手续费中收取，只有高支付率受托人的收入形成通胀。这样更有利于推广，毕竟没人理睬你销毁了多少，只会盯着你增发了多少。https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10867.0
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 关于BTS升级，几件你应该知道的事情
« on: November 01, 2014, 06:25:29 pm »开始接受推广是好事，但不仅是了解，还必须是达成才行，要不我说我可以，到时候不认那就问题来了。所以务必处理好，不知道楼主是bm的中国代理吗？务必处理好，我上次英文区就建议学校ripple的某些处理方式，就是必须有应用及出入口，能有保证才行，这对于以后受托人来说就必须达成节点任务,有应用出入口而且能可靠保证，否则永远都是在玩数字游戏，没有进步更不可能达成最初的理想。
另外本次强制了3%这个资费确实也不是往后的解决办法，必须有新办法，大家期望尽快集成更加合理的vote功能并达成。
我不是中国代理。只是一个普通的社区成员。
长远来看，高支付率的受托人是一块香喷喷的蛋糕，会有很多人垂涎的。竞争将会相当激烈，我不担心会发生没有实力的人反而坐上这个位置这种事情。据我了解有人在做受托人的评测网站，跟踪每个受托人是否称职。
3%并不是强制的，只是大家的一个初步共识，大家觉得如果没有特别的贡献，那以这个比例来收取报酬是比较合理的。
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Somebody is runing a delegate ,but always spread unfavourable news
« on: November 01, 2014, 06:08:41 pm »
People are free to do whatever they want to, either telling the truth or lies is up to them.
But running delegates of BTS, especially occuping about 5 spots of the top 101, he should know what that means. Being a delegate means being a builder of the ecosystem, rather than a rumor monger or maeket manipulator.
But running delegates of BTS, especially occuping about 5 spots of the top 101, he should know what that means. Being a delegate means being a builder of the ecosystem, rather than a rumor monger or maeket manipulator.
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中文 (Chinese) / 关于BTS升级，几件你应该知道的事情
« on: November 01, 2014, 05:43:35 pm »
原文：http://www.bts.hk/a-few-things-you-should-know.html
1. BTS升级近在咫尺。11月5日进行快照。
2. 升级后总量25亿，80%归目前BTSX持有者，PTS/AGS各占7%，DNS/VOTE各占3%。但P/A/D/V 的股份将在两年内逐块释放，而不是新链启动时就立刻可以获得；X的股份不被冻结。换句话说，如果不计算通胀和股份销毁，新链启动后，总量约为20亿；一年后为22.5亿，两年后约为25亿。
3. Music和Play目前不在该升级计划内。其他第三方DAC是否给PTS/AGS分配至少10%的股份，由其开发者决定，但3I已表示仍会建议这些DAC给P/A分配股份。事实上，即使在这一切风波之前，3I也没能力在法律层面对这一分配做干涉。
4. 关于通胀，你应该至少看到以下几点：
A. BTS X运行几个月以来，受托人的平均每块报酬约为1.5个BTSX，来自于手续费（转账、创建资产、注册账号、注册受托人）+ 爆仓BTSX的5%
B. 升级后，每个块最多产出50个BTS给受托人，但是，只有能让社区信服的开发者、市场推广者，才能以高支付率赢得选票(这将是他们的工资)；其他的受托人只能设置低支付率，目前大多数人都觉得3%是合理的，也就是每个块1.5个BTS，跟目前大概一致.
C. 升级后，所有的手续费+ 爆仓BTSX的5% 将被直接销毁。
D. 一个简单的计算：
升级前：股份总量≈ 20亿—（手续费 + 爆仓BTSX的5%）*（100%--受托人平均支付率）
升级后：股份总量≈ 25亿 + 高支付率受托人收入 + 低支付率受托人收入- 手续费 – 爆仓BTS的5%
综上，第二条式子里，低支付率受托人收入 ≈≈（手续费 + 爆仓BTS的5%），也就是说，增发的部分主要来源于高支付率受托人。
假设升级后101个受托人里，有20个高支付率（100%）受托人，那么一年下来新增的股份数量≈ 6 块/分钟 * 60 分钟 * 24 小时 * 365 天 / 101 受托人 * 20 高支付率受托人* 50 bts/块 = 31223762 bts，那升级一年后，通胀率约为31223762 / 22.5 亿 ≈1.39 %；
最极端的情况下（101个受托人全部收取100%收入），通胀率约为7%。
小山版主已发帖呼吁低支付率受托人的收入继续直接从手续费中收取，只有高支付率受托人的收入形成通胀。这样更有利于推广，毕竟没人理睬你销毁了多少，只会盯着你增发了多少。https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10867.0
5. 通胀并不可怕。若苹果表示如果BTS增发50%股份给它，那它就将bitUSD作为Apple Pay的支付手段，我估计没人会反对。所以，了解增发出来的股份用在哪些地方，比纠结于增发这件事情更有意义。增发股份给不干活或没效率的人，自然是不好的，但是如果他能把钱包做得更好，或者能带来更多的用户，你还是不愿意给吗?
6. 没有人能会对你一夜致富的美梦负责，包括BM和3I。这是一个自担风险的自由市场，你能看到从5分涨到3毛4的奇迹，就要承担从3毛4跌到8分的风险。
1. BTS升级近在咫尺。11月5日进行快照。
2. 升级后总量25亿，80%归目前BTSX持有者，PTS/AGS各占7%，DNS/VOTE各占3%。但P/A/D/V 的股份将在两年内逐块释放，而不是新链启动时就立刻可以获得；X的股份不被冻结。换句话说，如果不计算通胀和股份销毁，新链启动后，总量约为20亿；一年后为22.5亿，两年后约为25亿。
3. Music和Play目前不在该升级计划内。其他第三方DAC是否给PTS/AGS分配至少10%的股份，由其开发者决定，但3I已表示仍会建议这些DAC给P/A分配股份。事实上，即使在这一切风波之前，3I也没能力在法律层面对这一分配做干涉。
4. 关于通胀，你应该至少看到以下几点：
A. BTS X运行几个月以来，受托人的平均每块报酬约为1.5个BTSX，来自于手续费（转账、创建资产、注册账号、注册受托人）+ 爆仓BTSX的5%
B. 升级后，每个块最多产出50个BTS给受托人，但是，只有能让社区信服的开发者、市场推广者，才能以高支付率赢得选票(这将是他们的工资)；其他的受托人只能设置低支付率，目前大多数人都觉得3%是合理的，也就是每个块1.5个BTS，跟目前大概一致.
C. 升级后，所有的手续费+ 爆仓BTSX的5% 将被直接销毁。
D. 一个简单的计算：
升级前：股份总量≈ 20亿—（手续费 + 爆仓BTSX的5%）*（100%--受托人平均支付率）
升级后：股份总量≈ 25亿 + 高支付率受托人收入 + 低支付率受托人收入- 手续费 – 爆仓BTS的5%
综上，第二条式子里，低支付率受托人收入 ≈≈（手续费 + 爆仓BTS的5%），也就是说，增发的部分主要来源于高支付率受托人。
假设升级后101个受托人里，有20个高支付率（100%）受托人，那么一年下来新增的股份数量≈ 6 块/分钟 * 60 分钟 * 24 小时 * 365 天 / 101 受托人 * 20 高支付率受托人* 50 bts/块 = 31223762 bts，那升级一年后，通胀率约为31223762 / 22.5 亿 ≈1.39 %；
最极端的情况下（101个受托人全部收取100%收入），通胀率约为7%。
小山版主已发帖呼吁低支付率受托人的收入继续直接从手续费中收取，只有高支付率受托人的收入形成通胀。这样更有利于推广，毕竟没人理睬你销毁了多少，只会盯着你增发了多少。https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10867.0
5. 通胀并不可怕。若苹果表示如果BTS增发50%股份给它，那它就将bitUSD作为Apple Pay的支付手段，我估计没人会反对。所以，了解增发出来的股份用在哪些地方，比纠结于增发这件事情更有意义。增发股份给不干活或没效率的人，自然是不好的，但是如果他能把钱包做得更好，或者能带来更多的用户，你还是不愿意给吗?
6. 没有人能会对你一夜致富的美梦负责，包括BM和3I。这是一个自担风险的自由市场，你能看到从5分涨到3毛4的奇迹，就要承担从3毛4跌到8分的风险。
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General Discussion / Re: A proposal regarding delegate payrate change&dilution, BM please consider
« on: November 01, 2014, 04:41:54 pm »
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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares Daily Briefings(Global Version)--Inaugural issue-2014.10.29 Wed.
« on: October 29, 2014, 04:55:52 pm » This is really fuxxing awesome.
Proud of you guys.
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General Discussion / Re: Announcement
« on: October 28, 2014, 04:38:48 pm »
The three representatives are all trusted members of Chinese community.
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General Discussion / Re: If you want to know.....
« on: October 23, 2014, 07:18:49 pm »The allocation may be unfair, however I don't really get why some big Chinese investors are ready to sell so low right now : don't they believe in future high prices for BTS ? Even if one feels robbed by the allocation, BTS still have the potential to go to the moon, and even more after the merge.
i guess there are many reasons.
one of them may be related to the merging.
those who lost confidence have no reasons to stay since now they can't stop or change the plan. others are not sure wherher the superdac may work well. so sell 》buy.
of course that the whole digital currency space now is not so good is also a reason.
but i think once bm proves the dev team has the ability to drive the superdac, price will be up. bts is still one of the best products in the market currently.
