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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Please vote for bdnoble: 100% Reliability
« on: July 22, 2014, 07:09:37 pm »
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General Discussion / Re: PROPOSAL: Fair and Distributed Delegates
« on: July 22, 2014, 07:00:34 pm »
Sorry but this is a terrible idea. Unless I'm mistaken what you are proposing would fluctuate all the delegates constantly. You are never guaranteed to stay a delegate and therefore have no incentive to try hard to be a good one.
Ultimately if what you want is just to give more people a chance to try to be a delegate then what if we stop trying to say that voting is broken and start giving people a chance to prove themselves? There could be a "delegate proving grounds" test net that is a clone of the current release so that other people could have a chance to show that they are good at producing blocks. Voting wouldn't be as critical because the shares wouldn't have actual value. Oh wait... That sounds a lot like the test net that we already have!
OR
We can just live with the fact that voting is voting and just give people a good place to promote themselves. I REALLY THINK THIS WOULD SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. People who deserve to be delegates should be able to explain exactly why they deserve to be a delegate. Not just "plz plz plz vote for me! ;P " The problem is that we need to have 1 place where everyone knows and can easily find, where potential delegates can promote themselves. It really should be a part of the main website for BitShares.org . And what would be REALLY awesome would be if there could be something as simple as a Facebook thumbs up that masses could click on if they like what they see. And it would automatically sync up to the thumbs up link in the delegate page of the GUI wallet. Heck it could even set up a transaction of all your BTSX to yourself and ask you to verify that. Even better would be some kind of HTML code link that could be added to websites or forums that works a lot like the Facebook thumbs up.
All people want is a chance. And everyone wants to see the best delegates get the job. So we just need to let people (active delegates or not) get a legitimate chance to prove themselves and I think all these "voting sux!" problems will go away.
Thoughts on that? I'll probably repost this in it's own thread.
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Ultimately if what you want is just to give more people a chance to try to be a delegate then what if we stop trying to say that voting is broken and start giving people a chance to prove themselves? There could be a "delegate proving grounds" test net that is a clone of the current release so that other people could have a chance to show that they are good at producing blocks. Voting wouldn't be as critical because the shares wouldn't have actual value. Oh wait... That sounds a lot like the test net that we already have!
OR
We can just live with the fact that voting is voting and just give people a good place to promote themselves. I REALLY THINK THIS WOULD SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. People who deserve to be delegates should be able to explain exactly why they deserve to be a delegate. Not just "plz plz plz vote for me! ;P " The problem is that we need to have 1 place where everyone knows and can easily find, where potential delegates can promote themselves. It really should be a part of the main website for BitShares.org . And what would be REALLY awesome would be if there could be something as simple as a Facebook thumbs up that masses could click on if they like what they see. And it would automatically sync up to the thumbs up link in the delegate page of the GUI wallet. Heck it could even set up a transaction of all your BTSX to yourself and ask you to verify that. Even better would be some kind of HTML code link that could be added to websites or forums that works a lot like the Facebook thumbs up.
All people want is a chance. And everyone wants to see the best delegates get the job. So we just need to let people (active delegates or not) get a legitimate chance to prove themselves and I think all these "voting sux!" problems will go away.
Thoughts on that? I'll probably repost this in it's own thread.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Please vote for bdnoble: 100% Reliability
« on: July 21, 2014, 09:28:59 pm »
I promise to be honest and honorable and do justice to my name. I choose not to be anonymous to prove my trust. My name is listed on the development team webpage bitshares.org/community/team. You can also look me up on my facebook profile facebook.com/bdnoble. I have been helping test the BitShares source code since before the first Dry Run. I have already had the opportunity to produce some blocks in the blockchain and I am currently one of the few delegates with a 100% reliability rating. I have a dedicated server with 2Gb of RAM and my internet connection speed is 100Mbit. I believe I will be a reliable delegate and would love to have your vote!
Thank you all for your consideration!
wallet_approve_delegate bdnoble
Thank you all for your consideration!
wallet_approve_delegate bdnoble
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General Discussion / Re: Get rid of init delegates
« on: July 21, 2014, 03:20:32 pm »Code: [Select]>> wallet_account_transaction_history angel
RECEIVED BLOCK FROM TO AMOUNT MEMO BALANCE FEE ID
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2014-07-19T20:13:23 5999 founders angel 0.00000 BTSX register angel 0.00000 BTSX 0.00000 BTSX 6dae8d9
2014-07-19T20:13:47 0 GENESIS angel 58,783,758.26081 BTSX claim PaNGELmZgzRQCKeEKM6ifgTqNkC4ceiAWw 58,783,758.26081 BTSX 0.00000 BTSX VIRTUAL
2014-07-19T20:13:47 0 GENESIS angel 6.44000 BTSX claim PkC5oBxxY6gSrBEbxkjCLFQnzzqvAKZV1V 58,783,764.70081 BTSX 0.00000 BTSX VIRTUAL
2014-07-19T20:13:47 0 GENESIS angel 6.44200 BTSX claim PdHvncH2w8A2mXobJVevaQcTLD1MUvob4R 58,783,771.14281 BTSX 0.00000 BTSX VIRTUAL
2014-07-19T20:13:47 0 GENESIS angel 6.44200 BTSX claim PjadfkbV2EYCCR6VxTYMfscxcdebW63QTM 58,783,777.58481 BTSX 0.00000 BTSX VIRTUAL
2014-07-19T20:15:17 6009 angel angel 58,783,777.00000 BTSX vote 58,783,777.48481 BTSX 0.10000 BTSX b93b341
2014-07-21T13:17:09 19946 angel angel 58,783,777.00000 BTSX vote 58,783,777.48481 BTSX 0.10000 BTSX cc9aa14
2014-07-21T14:16:30 20279 angel angel 58,783,777.00000 BTSX vote 58,783,777.48481 BTSX 0.10000 BTSX 1744b39
SWEET! I'M IN! Thank you for the opportunity!!!!!
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General Discussion / Re: Get rid of init delegates
« on: July 21, 2014, 02:55:29 pm »You have to understand that this early in the game many people who made long-term investments see no reason to bring their stake online and thus there is a lot of idle support.
It has always been the case that those with a lot of stake have a lot of influence, particularly if they are active. Give it time, this isn't permanent centralization like you see with the other systems. This network is growing more decentralized by the day.
Don't you have a large amount of stake? Who are you voting for? I have to imagine that your votes would make a difference in bumping some more people over the init delegates. Would you consider voting for me?
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General Discussion / Re: sum of approve for delegate over 100%
« on: July 21, 2014, 12:33:39 pm »we are using approval voting to select delegates. if you have 3% stake you can vote for a slate of 101 delegates, giving each of them 3% approval.
It is only centralized on init delegates until enough people can get onboard to vote them out. During the dry run no large stakeholders were voting.
It is a little hard to vote out the init delegates when so many of them have 3.9% of the vote, which at the moment is a very large chunk.
Clout, you seem to have a pretty large share. Or at least you know enough people who do. Can you stop voting for some of the init delegates and give some more people a chance? Share the love!
Pretty please? 
I have been helping test the dry runs since the very first. I would love a chance to be a delegate. Care to spare any votes for bdnoble?
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General Discussion / Re: Hey, BTSX delegates, come here.
« on: July 20, 2014, 01:30:25 pm »Hey guys, did I miss something? The dry runs are dead. Are you all building from somewhere else? The DACsunlimited github or something? I was hoping to be a delegate myself.
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download from there http://www.dacsunlimited.com/index_en.html#
and pm me your public address
to send you some funds to get a delegate!
PS It is the real chain (no test!)
Compiled and running!
At the moment I need nodes more than money. Anyone have some nodes to connect to? What is the price of delegate registration at the moment anyway?
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General Discussion / Re: Hey, BTSX delegates, come here.
« on: July 20, 2014, 12:52:29 pm »I deleted chain folder. After resync the chain, my account's balance is still zero.
My account is networker. I send all of my bts to another account yuanbao
BTS disappear after I run wallet_clear_pending_transactions command when I found transaction in pending state.
Can anyone help me? I lost over 200000 BTS
Did you try reimporting your keys?
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General Discussion / Re: Hey, BTSX delegates, come here.
« on: July 20, 2014, 12:38:09 pm »
Sweet!! Found it! Compiling now!
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General Discussion / Re: Hey, BTSX delegates, come here.
« on: July 20, 2014, 12:11:24 pm »
Hey guys, did I miss something? The dry runs are dead. Are you all building from somewhere else? The DACsunlimited github or something? I was hoping to be a delegate myself.
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General Discussion / Re: Dry Run 10: Viva la Vida Delegada
« on: July 17, 2014, 03:37:57 pm »
You are wrong. The point is that even at the current market cap which is approximately 20-30 mil you would have to spend 200k or 300k on acquiring shares before you could attack the network (in the future it will be much more expensive). And if you had that many shares, it would be WAY more profitable to INCREASE the value of the network than to destroy it by having some kind of attack on it.
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"After the birth of Jesus, "wise men from the East" visited Herod to inquire the whereabouts of "the one having been born king of the Jews"... Herod killed all kids under 2 years old because as King of the Jews, was alarmed at the prospect of a usurper... "
I hope the modern king in crypto currency world will not copy paste Herod's attitude and sacrifice about 300,000 kids sorry I mean $dollars... But in the event they did, I would suggest to name that historical crypto event something like...
"Massacre of the Innocents...bitUSD's"
Indeed. "Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." That's why we need a hero. Actually 101 heroes will do nicely.
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General Discussion / Re: Dry Run 10: Viva la Vida Delegada
« on: July 17, 2014, 01:42:25 pm »Would appreciate some funds for delegate registration.
XTS64BxdfP2svYcvHdeJK6dpeisMqsEKmfJct9cYaFAPtxyUtjXEe
As far as I know this dry run is already dead. Last I checked no transactions were going through. Unless anyone else knows anything different?
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General Discussion / Re: Dry Run 10: Viva la Vida Delegada
« on: July 17, 2014, 01:38:55 pm »still can attack with these rules, if I have about 1% XTS.
1. use about 10^7 XTS or more, control the price to 500USD/XTS, get about 5*10^9 USD
2. usd about 10^7 XTS or more + maybe 10^5 USD, control the price to 0.0005USD/XTS,get all the backup XTS.
It is just a matter of scale. Attacking the network in such a manner would destroy the network and make your 1% worthless. We can set that value as high as 5% or more. The assumption is anyone with that much steak we not want to harm the network. No one else would participate in the network and instead could go to a new bit asset. You and then be trading against yourself and not profit at all.
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Arrrg. I'm not a tester, but I don't think I like this reasoning at all. Assuming that no individual person or group would spend money to harm the network is a bad assumption, especially at the early stages when the total NAV is still low. There could be great incentives to try and destroy the network.Please tell me I don't know crap and I'm wrong because that's what I want to hear right now.
You are wrong. The point is that even at the current market cap which is approximately 20-30 mil you would have to spend 200k or 300k on acquiring shares before you could attack the network (in the future it will be much more expensive). And if you had that many shares, it would be WAY more profitable to INCREASE the value of the network than to destroy it by having some kind of attack on it.
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General Discussion / Re: Dry Run 10: Viva la Vida Delegada
« on: July 17, 2014, 04:54:33 am »
So as far as I can tell there are no transactions being made in this chain at all. They are accepted and not pending but all blocks look empty from here.
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General Discussion / Re: Dry Run 9: [Block]Chain Hang Low (featuring guest performer: ~~BitUSD~~)
« on: July 16, 2014, 05:22:03 pm »
Most of what you can do is in the github wiki.
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/wiki
Otherwise type help and it will list all available commands.
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https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/wiki
Otherwise type help and it will list all available commands.
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