We've already created a platform where other coins can avoid the wasteful work and lower their security costs by migrating onto the Bitshares DEX.  At that point they are free to do whatever they please with the savings.  They can pass the savings on to their users in the form of lower fees.  They can lower their dilution rate.  Or some combination thereof.  I suppose they could also divert some of currently wasteful spending to useful work instead.  Is there anything that would prevent them from doing that right now?

No there is nothing preventing them from doing this.  The only reason I even thought of this is because I was talking to someone that wants to move their pow coin into a bts asset.  Of course I don't think this scheme should be required for anyone.  I think it would be cool to have the option though.

What if there was a way to use the massive resources used to secure proof of work coins to help solve the worlds problems?  As you probably know you cannot secure a proof of work coin with something like protein folding.  In order to secure a coin the work that is done needs to be unpredictable.  If only there were a better way.

What if we simulated a pow coin on the BitShares network, and generated new coins based upon users solving computation problems that actually serve a greater purpose than securing a network?  Since we don't require pow to secure our network we could reward miners for helping any number of distributed computation programs.  Here is wikipedias list of distributed computation projects.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_distributed_computing_projects  We could launch a coin for each or any of these projects.

I just thought of this today, and wanted to get some input on it.  Does anyone have any experience with any of these distributed computing projects?  Any ideas on how we could have users prove not only that they are contributing, but also how much they are contributing.  How do we take something like this http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userstats and have people prove that they are contributing.  It could be as simple as a script that runs on the asset issuers node and issues assets once a day, or as involved as a smart contract that issues a special type of asset automatically.  We could require that they run a full node, thus increasing the network resilience, or let them report their proof of work through a light client.

If we can convince one of these big projects that we could help get them users, they might be willing to help us integrate. 

Does anyone else think this could be a major coup for bitshares or am I deluding myself?

There is already curecoin but it looks like they are attempting to merge sha256 with fold at home, we have no need for pow for security so we could go further and have all computation going towards a distributed computing project.
https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=25254&start=30
https://www.curecoin.net/

What do you think? 

I'm jonesing here people.  Quick I need lines.  I don't know what to do.  Please give me lines.

How much fun would it be to find out who the anonymous internet assholes are and then to follow them around and point out every time thier plans dont work out exactly as intended.  Probably shouldn't have eaten that.  What were you thinking marrying her?  You went to school for what?  Should have taken the side streets.

This idea of changing the voting mechanics is only another overreact against a currently non-issue, since all workers are still active.

Instead of focusing on attacking yunbi and whoever support the anti-dilution ideas, why don't you guys try to bring more knowledge and awareness to those who
1) don't vote, directly or indirectly
2) trade on centralized exchange instead of using the dex
3) leave their bts on centralized exchange for a very long time, way more than the time needed for "just" buy and sell
4) ask some proxies to review their current vote (jakub(21M) is voting only for 2 of 6 development-worker; fav(12M) could remove his support to refund-1 plus is voting only for 1 development-worker; clayop (5M) could remove his support to refund-3; mindphlux(5M) could remove support from refund-1; and so on)

You guys are always so ready to attack these "anti-dilution gang" and name them "irrational" "stupid" "nonsense" "bts destroyer" and so on... The reality is just that they are normal people as all fo you, that only thinks differently then you are. They have different views on what is best for bitshares. That's all.

So please, focus on the real problem and on real solution, without overreacting all the time.

About this coind/days vothing thing. Just look here:
http://cryptofresh.com/u/poloniexcoldstorage
http://cryptofresh.com/u/btc38-public-for-bts-cold

poloniex cold wallet (420M) last movement  --> more than 2 months ago!
btc38 cold wallet (360M) last movement       --> never moved funds! almosth 5 months!

So your idea of coin days would only really increase the central exchanges voting power!

100% agree bhuz.

For the record I disagree with the anti-dilution crowd.  I think that we should fund development with worker proposals.  Some of the anti anti dilution crowd are acting like the anti dilution crowd just killed their dog.  I would understand if any of the workers were voted out, or if we couldn't get something funded that was absolutely essential.  All I see the anti dilution crowd actually doing though is increasing the security of bitshares by raising the refund workers to a healthy level.  If we can't get a valid worker proposal past what clearly appears to be the minority then we probably don't need that funding after all. 

Remember guys this is bitshares.  We have a lot of the same problems as the bitcoin community.  We get mad at each other and call each other names.  Put words in each others mouths, and assume the worst intentions.  We fight and bicker.  But when we are done with all that negative shit we vote.  We vote and we move on.  That is one of the things that makes us so much better than bitcoin.  Lets celebrate what makes us better than bitcoin, and accept that none of us is going to get their way 100% of the time. 

Quote from: DMo09 on March 28, 2016, 11:38:23 pm

I've been following this thread for every post with great interest. I just figured that truth stands on its own merit.

Reminded me of a quote I like:

Very nice quote.

Thanks for the response roadscape.  I am a complete and utter noob at this.  I am not exactly sure what you are asking by how do I launch the server.  I am following xerocs instructions here http://docs.bitshares.eu////testnet/7-faucet.html  I would be lying if I said I understood everything that I was typing into the terminal. 

From what little I do understand I think its mina deploy that should be selecting the proper environment and isn't.  The only other command that looks like it could be starting the server is sudo service nginx start. 

I switched over to the bitshares_faucet db and added dele-puppy.com to allowed_domains.  There is no important info in the databases, and I have no problem with wiping them.  I can add someones ssh key so they can ssh in directly if that would be better than trying to translate through me.