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they have a far better PR then BTS, so i think they have more potential. The incentives for the core team and for the investors are
the same, because the core team are holding a lot of LISK. It will be fun to see in the future.

Yes.  Right now, LISK looks a lot like BTS, but without the negativity, without the bad PR, and with millions of dollars of funding to pay devs. 
If BTS had had millions of dollars more funding to pay the dev team for several year, it probably wouldnt have run into many of the problems it did.
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Lisk is definitely more fun than BTS right now, thats for sure.
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they have a far better PR then BTS, so i think they have more potential. The incentives for the core team and for the investors are
the same, because the core team are holding a lot of LISK. It will be fun to see in the future.

For the start, i think they handled the problems with the DDOS good enough. I think every ICO will have to consider to get DDOSed for the
start, so some people can frontrunner the masses.

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Lisk is definitely more fun than BTS right now, thats for sure.
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Lisk is definitely more fun than BTS right now, thats for sure.
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It will go up from here imo.

Good call Ander. Lisk going crazy. And this time I actually have some myself.  :D

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It will go up from here imo.   
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People will remember this though. This was the most crucial moment and they weren't ready. They had nothing ready. Better delay, than fuck up at launch. 50,000 connections were the problem. Well, after all this PR, he didn't know that lots of people would be coming?

When I saw the website I knew it was going to be attacked. 100% sure. I just couldn't find a solution with the rest. Tried the docker, tried linux, tried everything. I was just hoping to get out just below 1$... Now I might not even get the money I put in the ICO...

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It was so poor... Max came out and complained about the DDoS attack, when he didn't have a installer ready...

I am still stuck and can't move my lisk. I just wanted to exist at around 0.0018 and I was so close, but so far....
Same here, it's late now, I give up and will try again tomorow.

The price has fallen hard. I think now we just have to wait until the next rise. I wouldn't be surprise to see higher prices that those we saw today on Polo in the next months if they keep up working as well as they did so far. Everything was nicely done except for the launch.

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It was so poor... Max came out and complained about the DDoS attack, when he didn't have a installer ready...

I am still stuck and can't move my lisk. I just wanted to exist at around 0.0018 and I was so close, but so far....

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been very impressed with their business acumen to date.

Well I take that back too after their poor launch.
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I am gonna try and get all the facts about lisk in this post :

3900 Participants
14.000 BTC (BTC increased in value so more than 6M USD)
1000 BTC in XCP (XCP recently tripled its price with 80% being held by Lisk)

4 Exchanges offered an IOU.
If Yobit is a scam, but wants to treat its customers right without going bankrupt, it will have to purchase all the
Lisk it promised. Same for Bloombit. Openledger is very trustworthy, but its volume was too small. In case they are not
scams and Yobits volume is real, it will validate the current price, as people will have more trust in it.

The last 4 days Bitcoin started recovering by 2% up and Ethereum started going down by 20%.
If only 0.1% of Bitcoins volume was made in order to by Lisk and about 10% of Ethereums as well, then more than
10M USD are waiting to buy Lisk. Also many more people might sell their altcoins or buy bitcoin, to buy Lisk soon.

Given the recent success of Ethereum that went above 1B$, whose price increased a lot and has to do with smart contracts,
I would expect Lisk to have gone up because of that as well. Also don't forget that Lisk is include by Microsoft's Azure.

About 83-90M Lisk will be available to be traded not 100M, as some of them were not included in the crowdfunding
but also some people haven't validated their passphrases.

The DAO, Waves, Mycelium and other minor crowdfunding campaigns might pose as competitors (at least 'moneywise'),
as they took money that could potentially go to Lisk. However, they might have also created a positive buzz.
That's because their campaign's started after Lisk's and it was because of Lisk's success that they managed
to get the much money.

Poloniex will be one of the first exchanges and that is very significant, as most coins that have gotten into Poloniex
recently like Decred and Voxel etc were pumped. If Chinese exchanges include lisk as well, then the price will go even higher.

The PR for Lisk has been pretty good. Even Andreas Antonopoulos tweeted about it. There was a recent PR article
that claimed that Lisk's market cap is 250M. The general sentiment is well above 0.5$/Lisk

Now here is a list of many successful crowdfunding campaigns and their initial launch
These values are just estimates of the value increase in the first few days/months
compared to the money earned before the launch.
Ether 3-4x
NXT 2000x
BTS 2-10x
NEM 60x
Omni 20x
Maid 1-4x
Digix 2-5x
Factom 1-30x
Obits 2x
Bitcryst 10x
Supernet 2-3x
Storj 1-5x
Safe Exchange 10-20x
Neucoin 2-3x
Augur 2-25x

From the current IOU prices, I can see that 0.9$ is a very possible price, plus minus 0.1$ (as a bottom).
Then we could be heading even higher from there. Then I would say the top would be 2.5$

thanks for your analyzes!

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I am gonna try and get all the facts about lisk in this post :

3900 Participants
14.000 BTC (BTC increased in value so more than 6M USD)
1000 BTC in XCP (XCP recently tripled its price with 80% being held by Lisk)

4 Exchanges offered an IOU.
If Yobit is a scam, but wants to treat its customers right without going bankrupt, it will have to purchase all the
Lisk it promised. Same for Bloombit. Openledger is very trustworthy, but its volume was too small. In case they are not
scams and Yobits volume is real, it will validate the current price, as people will have more trust in it.

The last 4 days Bitcoin started recovering by 2% up and Ethereum started going down by 20%.
If only 0.1% of Bitcoins volume was made in order to by Lisk and about 10% of Ethereums as well, then more than
10M USD are waiting to buy Lisk. Also many more people might sell their altcoins or buy bitcoin, to buy Lisk soon.

Given the recent success of Ethereum that went above 1B$, whose price increased a lot and has to do with smart contracts,
I would expect Lisk to have gone up because of that as well. Also don't forget that Lisk is include by Microsoft's Azure.

About 83-90M Lisk will be available to be traded not 100M, as some of them were not included in the crowdfunding
but also some people haven't validated their passphrases.

The DAO, Waves, Mycelium and other minor crowdfunding campaigns might pose as competitors (at least 'moneywise'),
as they took money that could potentially go to Lisk. However, they might have also created a positive buzz.
That's because their campaign's started after Lisk's and it was because of Lisk's success that they managed
to get the much money.

Poloniex will be one of the first exchanges and that is very significant, as most coins that have gotten into Poloniex
recently like Decred and Voxel etc were pumped. If Chinese exchanges include lisk as well, then the price will go even higher.

The PR for Lisk has been pretty good. Even Andreas Antonopoulos tweeted about it. There was a recent PR article
that claimed that Lisk's market cap is 250M. The general sentiment is well above 0.5$/Lisk

Now here is a list of many successful crowdfunding campaigns and their initial launch
These values are just estimates of the value increase in the first few days/months
compared to the money earned before the launch.
Ether 3-4x
NXT 2000x
BTS 2-10x
NEM 60x
Omni 20x
Maid 1-4x
Digix 2-5x
Factom 1-30x
Obits 2x
Bitcryst 10x
Supernet 2-3x
Storj 1-5x
Safe Exchange 10-20x
Neucoin 2-3x
Augur 2-25x

From the current IOU prices, I can see that 0.9$ is a very possible price, plus minus 0.1$ (as a bottom).
Then we could be heading even higher from there. Then I would say the top would be 2.5$

Offline EstefanTT

Isn't it weird this increasing price ? Is there a remote possibility that lisk conserve its current price price after release ?
Unlikely volumes are very low.

I take that back. I see LISK will be trading on Poloniex from the outset. Should still fall from pre-launch prices but could trade much higher than I initially anticipated.

Besides getting on there, also great move announcing it only recently, been very impressed with their business acumen to date.
Very professional in all aspect until now indeed !

I guess the price will drop probably between 0.5 and 1$. If I can sell some at higher prices, I will definitively consider buying back some below 0.5$.

I'm not a trader, it's pure noob speculation. Any advice is welcome !

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I don't really know. I see it settling above $0.5 too, so I doubt I will sell below there if it dumps initially and will probably also buy back in some at below that level.

I think a lot of people have the same idea though and considering the capital sloshing around on Polo I think it could surprise to the upside.
Well, in anyway it will be a lot of fun to watch
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Isn't it weird this increasing price ? Is there a remote possibility that lisk conserve its current price price after release ?
Unlikely volumes are very low.

I take that back. I see LISK will be trading on Poloniex from the outset. Should still fall from pre-launch prices but could trade much higher than I initially anticipated.

Besides getting on there, also great move announcing it only recently, been very impressed with their business acumen to date.
Very professional in all aspect until now indeed !

I guess the price will drop probably between 0.5 and 1$. If I can sell some at higher prices, I will definitively consider buying back some below 0.5$.

I'm not a trader, it's pure noob speculation. Any advice is welcome !

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I don't really know. I see it settling above $0.5 too, so I doubt I will sell below there if it dumps initially and will probably also buy back in some at below that level.

I think a lot of people have the same idea though and considering the capital sloshing around on Polo I think it could surprise to the upside.
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Isn't it weird this increasing price ? Is there a remote possibility that lisk conserve its current price price after release ?
Unlikely volumes are very low.

I take that back. I see LISK will be trading on Poloniex from the outset. Should still fall from pre-launch prices but could trade much higher than I initially anticipated.

Besides getting on there, also great move announcing it only recently, been very impressed with their business acumen to date.
Very professional in all aspect until now indeed !

I guess the price will drop probably between 0.5 and 1$. If I can sell some at higher prices, I will definitively consider buying back some below 0.5$.

I'm not a trader, it's pure noob speculation. Any advice is welcome !

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Isn't it weird this increasing price ? Is there a remote possibility that lisk conserve its current price price after release ?
Unlikely volumes are very low.

I take that back. I see LISK will be trading on Poloniex from the outset. Should still fall from pre-launch prices but could trade much higher than I initially anticipated.

Besides getting on there, also great move announcing it only recently, been very impressed with their business acumen to date.
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The price is moving up just before the official release.

I'm not a trader but the price have a tendency to drop heavily when the real token hit the exchanges.

Isn't it weird this increasing price ? Is there a remote possibility that lisk conserve its current price price after release ?


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Unlikely volumes are very low.

It will be interesting to see how LISK does medium term though given they've adopted DPOS/101 delegate system.

- Graphene/BTS seems to be an unfamiliar codebase whereas LISK is Javascript which should be a lot more popular?

- BTS developers were co-located for efficiency originally but as a result there were not a lot of big developments that couldn't be done without going through CNX and it will take time for BTS to find it's feet post CNX, while I imagine with LISK it will be fairly easy for independent third parties to develop/add DAPPS from fairly early on.

- Since the merger, CNX was largely unable to add shareholder value despite multiple developments and the release of 2.0, this made shareholders reluctant to keep throwing money at CNX. LISK holders will probably be willing to vote in more proposals.

- BTS probably would have voted in things like margin trading which was never made into a full proposal and generally we were steered into the developments BM was most excited about working on at the time. Again LISK holders may be presented with much wider, more competitive options.

So it will be interesting to see if LISK can apply the DPOS model in a more competitive, value growing way, at the very least it should be superior to the current high inflation ETH Mining model. 
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The price is moving up just before the official release.

I'm not a trader but the price have a tendency to drop heavily when the real token hit the exchanges.

Isn't it weird this increasing price ? Is there a remote possibility that lisk conserve its current price price after release ?


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Is the price now on yobit 130x bigger than during the ico ???
I though I made a mistake, it should be 13x but I can't find it.
My math has to be wrong, right ?

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Your math wasnt wrong, the yobit price is insane. 

I definitely think Lisk will trade for at least 3-5x the ICO price, but yobit, by controlling the supply so only the exchange itself can sell, has caused it to be overvalued by more than an order of magnitude.

The people buying IOUs from them will get burned. 
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Is the price now on yobit 130x bigger than during the ico ???
I though I made a mistake, it should be 13x but I can't find it.
My math has to be wrong, right ?

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No your maths is right  :)
Well, that's crazy. So they already have around 650M MC before launch ?

That's way too much.

I guess there is no way to sell some ?

Maybe they reach 1B$. It could be cool ! I missed the ETH train and my heavy load is on the BTS one but it is still in the station.

Guys like tbone have been attempting to arrange something with Ronny/CCEDK to create a market at these prices.

Also if we created a BitLISK SmartCoin on the DEX we could short it. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22035.msg289022.html#msg289022

The volume & exposure that could bring to the DEX could be very beneficial too.

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Is the price now on yobit 130x bigger than during the ico ???
I though I made a mistake, it should be 13x but I can't find it.
My math has to be wrong, right ?

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No your maths is right  :)
Well, that's crazy. So they already have around 650M MC before launch ?

That's way too much.

I guess there is no way to sell some ?

Maybe they reach 1B$. It could be cool ! I missed the ETH train and my heavy load is on the BTS one but it is still in the station.

Guys like tbone have been attempting to arrange something with Ronny/CCEDK to create a market at these prices.

Also if we created a BitLISK SmartCoin on the DEX we could short it. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22035.msg289022.html#msg289022

The volume & exposure that could bring to the DEX could be very beneficial too.
That should defenitively be done !!!

I just spend 10 days trying to send the pricefeed in the testnet (and still trying) , I'm the guy to do that but we shoukd find the ones who can make it happen.

This lisk is a volume bomb !!! We need it !

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Is the price now on yobit 130x bigger than during the ico ???
I though I made a mistake, it should be 13x but I can't find it.
My math has to be wrong, right ?

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No your maths is right  :)
Well, that's crazy. So they already have around 650M MC before launch ?

That's way too much.

I guess there is no way to sell some ?

Maybe they reach 1B$. It could be cool ! I missed the ETH train and my heavy load is on the BTS one but it is still in the station.

Guys like tbone have been attempting to arrange something with Ronny/CCEDK to create a market at these prices.

Also if we created a BitLISK SmartCoin on the DEX we could short it. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22035.msg289022.html#msg289022

The volume & exposure that could bring to the DEX could be very beneficial too.
That should defenitively be done !!!

I just spend 10 days trying to send the pricefeed in the testnet (and still trying) , I'm the guy to do that but we shoukd find the ones who can make it happen.

This lisk is a volume bomb !!! We need it !

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Is the price now on yobit 130x bigger than during the ico ???
I though I made a mistake, it should be 13x but I can't find it.
My math has to be wrong, right ?

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No your maths is right  :)
Well, that's crazy. So they already have around 650M MC before launch ?

That's way too much.

I guess there is no way to sell some ?

Maybe they reach 1B$. It could be cool ! I missed the ETH train and my heavy load is on the BTS one but it is still in the station.

Guys like tbone have been attempting to arrange something with Ronny/CCEDK to create a market at these prices.

Also if we created a BitLISK SmartCoin on the DEX we could short it. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22035.msg289022.html#msg289022

The volume & exposure that could bring to the DEX could be very beneficial too.
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Is the price now on yobit 130x bigger than during the ico ???
I though I made a mistake, it should be 13x but I can't find it.
My math has to be wrong, right ?

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No your maths is right  :)
Well, that's crazy. So they already have around 650M MC before launch ?

That's way too much.

I guess there is no way to sell some ?

Maybe they reach 1B$. It could be cool ! I missed the ETH train and my heavy load is on the BTS one but it is still in the station.
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Is the price now on yobit 130x bigger than during the ico ???
I though I made a mistake, it should be 13x but I can't find it.
My math has to be wrong, right ?

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No your maths is right  :)
 
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Is the price now on yobit 130x bigger than during the ico ???
I though I made a mistake, it should be 13x but I can't find it.
My math has to be wrong, right ?

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By the way, I think success for Lisk is great for Bitshares considering they use DPoS (which Bitshares invented) so we may gain some attention and credibility from their success.

So I think we should all be rooting for Lisk!

I agree.  If Lisk ends up getting a high market cap, then it makes it look like BTS deserves a high market cap as well, with many similarities to it, including being the originator of DPoS.
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LISK IOU prices on YoBit are hysterical  :)  https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC

If those LISK prices hold (they WONT), I will sell and buy 10 million BTS.

It's a real pity we haven't found a way to trade LISK at these prices on the DEX. We could attract a lot of customers and sell some of our LISK stash.
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LISK IOU prices on YoBit are hysterical  :)  https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC

If those LISK prices hold (they WONT), I will sell and buy 10 million BTS.
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They have great marketing focusing on just a few key features. Mix that with a 5.7 million war-chest and you have some potential.

Exactly.  And when you think about some of the advantages Lisk has over ETH, then you can really see how incredible the potential is. 

By the way, I think success for Lisk is great for Bitshares considering they use DPoS (which Bitshares invented) so we may gain some attention and credibility from their success.

So I think we should all be rooting for Lisk!

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They have great marketing focusing on just a few key features. Mix that with a 5.7 million war-chest and you have some potential.

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Liskers, you need to generate your lisk ICO passphrase and back it up before the 4th of April ;)

https://blog.lisk.io/how-to-generate-your-lisk-ico-passphrase-62536fce5edc#.e4wk5n73v

PD : I do like the simple but elegant GUI of the testnet. Would it be a lot of work to reach that kind of user-frendly display ?
Maybe it's over simplistic but isn't it just some tweaking on a couple of CSS files ?
I'm a big fan of what we have right now but it's a little scary for anyone who is not a trader and used to these black trading interface.
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I know all about LISK, and was even asked to be the 1 of three escow for the incoming bitcoins from the presale etc. but was too slow to confirm interest, well just one of those situations you might have wished to have had that extra hour or so that particular day.

That would have been a good move for CCEDK
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@ccedk  Already 13,000 BTC raised. Regardless of price, the volume should be absolutely crazy.

We are in talks, so Iam sure we will find common ground

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@ccedk  Already 13,000 BTC raised. Regardless of price, the volume should be absolutely crazy.

We are in talks, so Iam sure we will find common ground



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@ccedk  Already 13,000 BTC raised. Regardless of price, the volume should be absolutely crazy.

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@tbone you caught my interest anyways, so i have contacted LISK again, although we had already agreed to speak again up around launch time. :) ;)

Sounds good, Ronny.  For the record, my comment about the paid articles was not meant to diminish them.  I know it takes a lot of effort, and I do believe they help bring exposure.  My only point was that some people recognize paid articles, and ultimately the product has to have not only substance but also growing utility.  Having such a promising project like Lisk trading on the DEX could be a great shot in the arm, potentially generating a lot of attention and users. 

By the way, what do you think about partnering with MetaExchange and Blocktrades to jointly make markets in Lisk and help ensure successful bootstrapping of Lisk trading on the DEX?  Perhaps such an effort could also be supplemented to some extent by a concerted effort among individual community members to help provide liquidity as well.  If this works out, it could be a big win for all of us.


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@tbone you caught my interest anyways, so i have contacted LISK again, although we had already agreed to speak again up around launch time. :) ;)
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look all I  am saying is that I am not able to cover all ground all by myself,. I need to focus on the battles I know I can win, and let the rest come to me if I have the time, thats it.

And why do you enter comment about paid articles? The majority of all articles out there from my side are not paid but based on heavy work and lots of push, and I am proud of being able to generate this for free in many cases.

I cannot jump because you say I have to, sorry, I cannot. I have to stick to the plan and let you or anyone else really interested in making things like this happen start joining in and contributing doing some of the leg work yourselves, thats all. As I see it, it is in your own interest to do some of this work instead of telling me how I should do mine. Sorry if you feel like that about OBITS, but I cannot catch all the apples falling down and it does not help really you telling me its a must. What is helpful is if you participate in making it happen.
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I don't talk about every coin that pops up.  I talk about and invest in the good stuff.  And it's not every day that such a promising ICO comes along.  Decred was a decent one.  But Lisk is in another category considering they will be a legit competitor of Ethereum and they have already raised almost $1M, and they are not even half way through the ICO. 

Ok, so you missed being an escrow agent.  What does that have to do with getting Lisk on the exchange?   And why are you saying they should be contacting you instead of vice versa?  One day devs of such promising projects will be seeking you out, Ronny.  But you have to get on the map first.  Here's a chance to take a nice step in the right direction.  All of your paid articles by themselves don't do much.  There needs to be more substance behind it.  I'm surprised and disappointed that you're not jumping at such an opporunity.

P.S.  I'm not just saying this as a large BTS shareholder.  I also have a decent stake in OBITS.  But I'm starting to regret some of my recent purchases.  FWIW

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Lets just make one thing clear. It costs money to integrate a new currency, time and money in fact.

I have all the world of interest in adding currencies, but there is a new one popping up every week, and if we had to pay for this every time really not worth it. We have added Emercoin and nobdoy here seems to care, we have added 10 other ones with little interest. I added Qora to CCEDK due to demand from bts communty but that lost interest quick, so I am happy I never did pay to get it done as automode.

Why is it that I have to spend my time contacting these coins? The coins need to contact me, or anyone interested in having it added nee to contact them to establish the necessary connections. I do not have the time to search for the right person, then wait for response. I have tried this too many times with too much loss of time and lost efforts.

What is the criteria for being good? We all see that ETH is great, but most other coins jump and go down again.

Anyone willing to pay 4000 USD for the integration, I will be happy to add the currency right away, otherwise currencies will  be added based on a demand and guaranteed support of the communty from that coin, otherwise a waste of money.

I know all about LISK, and was even asked to be the 1 of three escow for the incoming bitcoins from the presale etc. but was too slow to confirm interest, well just one of those situations you might have wished to have had that extra hour or so that particular day.

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@xeroc, have you even heard form Ronny lately? 
Not sure .. he may simple be on a one-week vacation ..

Perhaps.  But I brought this up starting with Decred 4 weeks ago.  Ronny responded once 2 weeks ago with an answer that didn't inspire much confidence that he sees the importance of this or that he is willing or capable of making it happen.  If we want to jumpstart the DEX, we better get with the program.  A good start would be to immediately make it clear that Lisk will trade here from day 1.  What are we waiting for??

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21337.msg279699.html#msg279699

Akado did an excellent follow-up with c-cex.  Perhaps he can help us with his biz dev skill by attracting Lisk and developing it into a First Lisk's exchange. Paging @Akado.

I just emailed them, nothing more.

Well, it's just a matter of getting into contact with them, but ultimately it's up to OpenLedger to decide if it wantst to support it. Although I think it is a good idea, somehow I think that isn't really on top of Ronny's priorities now. Plus he has a lot going on with obits, bitteaset, etc. I honestly think that's too much and the focus should be OpenLedger only and handling this type of stuff but I'm not the one managing it.

If OpenLedger wanted to get Lisk on the exchange it would need to participate on the ICO I guess, just to have some lisk and help kickstart the market.

Without Ronny or someone from OpenLedger wanting to get Lisk, we can't do much. Unless someone provides some type of bridge. Metaexchange and Blocktrades maybe? I believe if OL wanted to get Lisk in it would have shown more interest.

Maybe jonnybitcoin's exchange could have it but it seems a relatively new project and I doubt he could get it ready in time for it. Later than this it's pretty much useless. And rushing things just because of a cryptocurrency doesn't make sense too so...

I can get in contact with them but in the end it's really not worth it if there's no interest from our exchanges.

Rushing things?  I've been talking about this for several weeks (since Decred) and the Lisk ICO is still running for another couple weeks.  If you're an exchange and you're serious about attracting attention and new users, then you need to jump on opportunities like this.  Otherwise you should just give up. 

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@xeroc, have you even heard form Ronny lately? 
Not sure .. he may simple be on a one-week vacation ..

Perhaps.  But I brought this up starting with Decred 4 weeks ago.  Ronny responded once 2 weeks ago with an answer that didn't inspire much confidence that he sees the importance of this or that he is willing or capable of making it happen.  If we want to jumpstart the DEX, we better get with the program.  A good start would be to immediately make it clear that Lisk will trade here from day 1.  What are we waiting for??

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21337.msg279699.html#msg279699

Akado did an excellent follow-up with c-cex.  Perhaps he can help us with his biz dev skill by attracting Lisk and developing it into a First Lisk's exchange. Paging @Akado.

I just emailed them, nothing more.

Well, it's just a matter of getting into contact with them, but ultimately it's up to OpenLedger to decide if it wantst to support it. Although I think it is a good idea, somehow I think that isn't really on top of Ronny's priorities now. Plus he has a lot going on with obits, bitteaset, etc. I honestly think that's too much and the focus should be OpenLedger only and handling this type of stuff but I'm not the one managing it.

If OpenLedger wanted to get Lisk on the exchange it would need to participate on the ICO I guess, just to have some lisk and help kickstart the market.

Without Ronny or someone from OpenLedger wanting to get Lisk, we can't do much. Unless someone provides some type of bridge. Metaexchange and Blocktrades maybe? I believe if OL wanted to get Lisk in it would have shown more interest.

Maybe jonnybitcoin's exchange could have it but it seems a relatively new project and I doubt he could get it ready in time for it. Later than this it's pretty much useless. And rushing things just because of a cryptocurrency doesn't make sense too so...

I can get in contact with them but in the end it's really not worth it if there's no interest from our exchanges.
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There's going to be a lot of buzz around Lisk.  We better be one of the first exchanges to trade them.  If not, it will be one of the biggest missed opportunities.  I brought this up to Ronny/@ccedk several times on another thread but have heard nothing back.  Very frustrating.  We should have already made it known that Lisk will trade on OpenLedger from day 1.  In fact, considering Lisk is a spinoff from Crypti (which borrowed dPoS from Bitshares) we should be aiming to get an exclusive to trade them for a period of time.  This is just the sort of shot in the arm we need. 

@xeroc, have you even heard form Ronny lately?

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@xeroc, have you even heard form Ronny lately? 
Not sure .. he may simple be on a one-week vacation ..

Perhaps.  But I brought this up starting with Decred 4 weeks ago.  Ronny responded once 2 weeks ago with an answer that didn't inspire much confidence that he sees the importance of this or that he is willing or capable of making it happen.  If we want to jumpstart the DEX, we better get with the program.  A good start would be to immediately make it clear that Lisk will trade here from day 1.  What are we waiting for??

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21337.msg279699.html#msg279699

Akado did an excellent follow-up with c-cex.  Perhaps he can help us with his biz dev skill by attracting Lisk and developing it into a First Lisk's exchange. Paging @Akado.
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great point, the DRC thing would have made him famous


at least for 15 min

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@xeroc, have you even heard form Ronny lately? 
Not sure .. he may simple be on a one-week vacation ..

Perhaps.  But I brought this up starting with Decred 4 weeks ago.  Ronny responded once 2 weeks ago with an answer that didn't inspire much confidence that he sees the importance of this or that he is willing or capable of making it happen.  If we want to jumpstart the DEX, we better get with the program.  A good start would be to immediately make it clear that Lisk will trade here from day 1.  What are we waiting for??

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21337.msg279699.html#msg279699


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Not sure .. he may simple be on a one-week vacation ..

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There's going to be a lot of buzz around Lisk.  We better be one of the first exchanges to trade them.  If not, it will be one of the biggest missed opportunities.  I brought this up to Ronny/@ccedk several times on another thread but have heard nothing back.  Very frustrating.  We should have already made it known that Lisk will trade on OpenLedger from day 1.  In fact, considering Lisk is a spinoff from Crypti (which borrowed dPoS from Bitshares) we should be aiming to get an exclusive to trade them for a period of time.  This is just the sort of shot in the arm we need. 

@xeroc, have you even heard form Ronny lately? 

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Sounds like a weak proposition to me. Buying Bitshares looks better right now.
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BM has mentioned a few times in the past a new Ethereum like platform trading exclusively on the DEX...

given they are using DPOS and give credit to Bitshares for original work, any chance this is what he is referring too?

@fuzzy - was in talks with Max back in August 2015 and suggested they actually seemed pretty pumped to work with us
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17985.msg229454.html#msg229454

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I put several BTC into it.

just speculation or do you see more in it?

i am intersted if they can really attract developers, because they are using javascript and node js....

It has the possibility to become Bitshares + Ethereum.  Thats worth a shot at investing in, even if it ends up failing. 
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It's just a clone of Crypti, including web site and documentation.

Yes, it seems more like a rebrand more than anything else. To try and give the project a new boost.
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It's just a clone of Crypti, including web site and documentation.

so, ethereum style is not yet included? sorry for the stupid questions :D

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The organisation seems good, at least the way they organised their ICO etc. They made quite some money and that itself can lead to good results.

However, the whole Dapp thing is just going to be a big bubble IMO. Everyone is talking about Dapps and build Dapps and create platforms for Dapps etc. The people behind Lisk are some of the people from Crypti, who abandoned the previous project in a weird way. Also their experience and status is quite weak.

https://blog.crypti.me/untitled/
https://blog.crypti.me/crypti_status_and_commentary_on_recent_team_changes/

The concept of DPoS and Ethereum is good though. That's why I think we really need to act quickly with the development, just because of the network effect. Because they could easily take whatever we've done and build it on top of Ethereum.

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It's just a clone of Crypti, including web site and documentation.
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I think the team consists of several former crypti team members.
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they're using DPOS



3. Consensus

Lisk is based on the DPoS[4] (Delegated Proof of Stake) consensus mechanism. This method of consensus was originally created by the BitShares team.
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 they're using DPOS



3. Consensus

Lisk is based on the DPoS[4] (Delegated Proof of Stake) consensus mechanism. This method of consensus was originally created by the BitShares team.
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I put several BTC into it.

just speculation or do you see more in it?

i am intersted if they can really attract developers, because they are using javascript and node js....

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I put several BTC into it.
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https://lisk.io/

they are combining Crypti and Ethereum. Do you think the fundraiser is worth to risk some BTC?