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Offline lovegan007

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BTS已经没救了,Abit一个人可以敌得过整个BTS社区和全部理事会,Abit一个人敌得过30亿BTS票权,还有什么好投票的?理事会全是渣渣了,干不过一个Abit。Abit一人即是天下。

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见证人不是一票一投??  那配合锁仓  直接把见证人全部接管了,以后喂价想喂多少都行?

见证人倒是必须要改,一票多投本身就存在严重的贿选问题,像eos大家基本是心照不宣的你投我我投你。

见证人质押,一票一投,投票阈值激活。

锁仓控制见证人获利看似可行,实则难行。
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见证人不是一票一投??  那配合锁仓  直接把见证人全部接管了,以后喂价想喂多少都行?


不是,你想简单了。

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有预谋的,Abit偷偷的添加了代码规则,又亲自的开启了这个功能,一步一步精算你们。现在被喷却不出来解释,也不说话,恶意得很,说不定在销毁2.5亿BTS的时候又偷偷的添加进来了25亿呢。

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见证人不是一票一投??  那配合锁仓  直接把见证人全部接管了,以后喂价想喂多少都行?

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永久锁仓,则这部分 BTS 失去投票权,但帐户剩余的等量 BTS 获得 8 倍权重加成


如果账户有100万个bts,永久锁仓1个bts,账户剩下的99余万个BTS就获得了8倍权重加成?

等量,锁1个只有1个bts有八倍票权。

剩下的那些是正常票权大概。

所以我感觉没啥大问题,大家最后基本会都锁一个意思意思,用正常票权投票,一些铁杆子可能会锁个半年一年的,当然这些铁杆子里如果有千万级别的大户就有点恐怖。

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永久锁仓,则这部分 BTS 失去投票权,但帐户剩余的等量 BTS 获得 8 倍权重加成


如果账户有100万个bts,永久锁仓1个bts,账户剩下的99余万个BTS就获得了8倍权重加成?

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 工会凉不凉没关系了,因为像abit这样私自决定修改的,投票已经失去了意义。都可以私自添加修改了,还要投票啥的?
私自添加修改这种事,坚决不妥协。投票已经失去了意义。
去中心化共识已经破坏。绕过理事会,绕过投票,自己一个人骗了整个社区,自己一个人说了算,abit一个人即是社区天下,BTS是他的?以后投票有什么意义吗?直接改就行了。
虽然木已成舟,我虽然无力改变,我也要喷他几个月,虽然人家BM也直接改,但人家BM是创始人,人家权力大,不过BM也照样被喷了不久,所以abit准备好被喷几个月了没有啊?
实在不行,支持巨蟹硬分叉BTS。
我虽然不反对abit这添加的规则,永久锁仓这不是让人家的BTS废了?锁仓不应该有回报的么?没回报的锁仓简直。。。。但我反对的是他的做法,程序不按规定走,这以后的再多的投票又显得有什么意义?就算你有30亿票权,也敌不过一个abit。这共识,没意义了。

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好奇楼上的怎么不喷 中心化了?投票机制变化 有投过票?结果偷偷写进代码了!!!!

我就担心锁仓 最高8倍投票权 这个!! 被人利用 投Workers, 然后动资金池。 这个能防范吗?
锁一亿 然后拿5亿出来!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


前因后果不清楚,不好喷...

何况现在不一直是这样嘛...再喷也改变不了什么

锁7500万,8倍票权6亿,然后再用剩下可用的7500万来投worker,每天拿20多万的bts,一年差不多似乎可以回本...而180就会降2倍,这个买卖不能做。

我感觉与其担心这个,还不如担心抵押票权膨胀后的可怕局面,那不是简单的8倍票权的问题,而是指数级别的增长...现在锁喂价的情况下,这些虚假抵押票权就骚操作的不行,一旦再涨一点,那简直无法想象,看看bitusd的抵押排名就知道抵押票权里的水分有多大。

把治理权交给真正的bts持有者,远比屁股坐在抵押上的抵押者好的多,虽然这些bts持有者也不见的有多靠谱,比如beos。

因为我的屁股坐在去除抵押票权这边,所以只会喜闻乐见。

这个规则对猴子,beos有利,对真正的持有bts者有利,对抵押不利,对bts系统长远来说,我的看法是利大于弊。

当然这个规则太硬,锁仓解锁都来个7天时间就好了,也不用锁仓时间长的就投票权重大,只要锁仓就能获全部投票权就行,不锁仓的降票权,抵押物无票权,见证人(见证人直接兼任理事就行)一票一投,这样就能够分散代理票权,防止出现巨无霸代理,还能够一定程度上防交易所,beos这样的...
« Last Edit: July 31, 2020, 04:07:22 am by binggo »

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好奇楼上的怎么不喷 中心化了?投票机制变化 有投过票?结果偷偷写进代码了!!!!

我就担心锁仓 最高8倍投票权 这个!! 被人利用 投Workers, 然后动资金池。 这个能防范吗?
锁一亿 然后拿5亿出来!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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For newly registered accounts, the user's voting power (VP) is zero.  VP only apply after you begin voting.

That's it

If a old account never have any voting operations , its voting power (VP) is zero too,VP only apply after you begin voting.

One committee one vote,if you support many committees,so every your supporting committees will get the total VP you have/the numbers of your supporting committees

Locked 180 days, you will get 2X VP;

Locked 360 days, you will get 4X VP;

Locked 720 days,you will get 8X VP;

Locekd forever,you will lose these bts,but you will get 8X VP if your account have equal available amount bts,and these VP will decay 2X every 180 days.


There have four levels above, they need to update to next level, the VP will become full as the time,15 days will get full VP;

You can cancle the update in these 15 days,but the fund will be vesting in 7 days.

Every account can creat many separate locked positions,the locked positions can split but can't merge.

Every locked positions can change before updating to a formal Locekd forever, if a locked position become a true formal Locekd forever already,then can't be changed.

4.  If a true formal Locekd forever position appears on the chain, then:

The acccount which didn' have Locekd forever[/b] position will didn't have any VP;

The margin position and orders book will didn't have any VP.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2020, 08:40:18 am by binggo »

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1. 投票权重衰减机制 (vote decay)

新注册的账户,投票权重为零,主动投票后,票才开始生效。

每次主动更新投票后,投票权重更新为 100% ,第360天衰减 12.5% ,然后每过 45 天衰减总权重的 12.5% ,到第 675 天投票完全失效。

代理投票的,代理人和被代理人投票权重按【乘数关系】叠加生效。

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1. Voting weight decay mechanism (vote decay)

For newly registered accounts, the voting weight is zero, and the votes will only take effect after actively voting.

After each active update of the vote, the voting weight is updated to 100%, and it decreases by 12.5% on the 360th day, and then decreases by 12.5% of the total weight every 45 days, and the voting is completely invalid on the 675th day.

For proxy voting, the voting weights of the proxy and the proxy are superimposed according to the [multiplier relationship].


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1. VOTE DECAY

For newly registered accounts, the user's voting power (VP) is zero.  VP only apply after you begin voting.

    After each active update of the vote, the user's VP is updated to 100%. 
    On the 360th day, the VP decreases by 1/8th (to 87.5%).
    Thereafter the user's VP decreases by another 1/8th ​​of the initial VP every 45 days,
    (to 75% then, then 62.5%, then 50% and so on...)
    until after 8 decay periods, on on the 675th day, the user's VP is zero.

For proxy voting, the relative voting weights of each proxy are multiplied by element wise with regard to their respective remaining VP.


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2. 理事会选举一票一投机制

如果一个投票人投了多个理事会成员,则每个理事得票数 = 投票人总票数 / 投票人投的理事会成员数量


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2. One vote, one vote mechanism for council election

If a voter casts multiple board members, the number of votes for each board = the total number of votes of the voter / the number of board members voted by the voter

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2. Voting Mechanism for Council Election

If a voter elects more than one board member, the voting power applied toward each candidate is equal to:

    ( The user's voters power ) / ( Number of board members chosen )


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3. 锁仓投票机制

参考 https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32357.0

新增一个锁仓操作 ticket_create_operation 和一个修改锁仓的操作 ticket_update_operation ,可指定锁仓帐号、时间和金额。

锁仓和修改操作手续费固定为 50 BTS ,理事会不可修改。

锁仓时间有几个选项: 180 天, 360 天, 720 天,永久
其中,
锁仓 180/360/720 天,则锁仓的 BTS 获得 2/4/8 倍投票权重
永久锁仓,则这部分 BTS 失去投票权,但帐户剩余的等量 BTS 获得 8 倍权重加成
推论:一个帐户最多可以获得 32 倍权重。

永久锁仓获得的权重加成,每 180 天衰减 2 倍, 720 天后失效。

锁仓导致的投票权重变化,采用升级/降级机制。
发起锁仓交易后,投盘人并不是马上获得对应倍数的投票权重,而是逐渐升级到指定的锁仓级别。
升级:每升一级需要 15 天。
如果 15 天内取消升级,资金从取消时间开始继续锁 7 天。
降级:即时生效,资金按之前指定的锁仓时间释放。

每个帐户可以有多个锁仓仓位,各仓位的时间、金额各自独立。
锁仓仓位可以拆分,不能合并。

锁仓仓位升级到“永久锁仓状态”前可随时修改;
锁仓仓位升级到“永久锁仓状态”后不可修改。


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3. Lock-up voting mechanism

Reference https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32357.0

A new lock operation ticket_create_operation and a change lock operation ticket_update_operation are added, which can specify the lock account, time and amount.

The operating fee for lock-up and modification is fixed at 50 BTS, and the board cannot modify it.

There are several options for lock-up time: 180 days, 360 days, 720 days, permanent
among them,
Locked for 180/360/720 days, the locked BTS will get 2/4/8 times the voting weight
Permanent lock-up, this part of BTS loses the right to vote, but the remaining equivalent BTS in the account gets an 8 times weight bonus
Corollary: An account can get up to 32 times the weight.

The weight bonus obtained by permanent lock-up will attenuate by 2 times every 180 days and expire after 720 days.

The change of voting weight caused by lock-up adopts an upgrade/downgrade mechanism.
After initiating a lock-up transaction, the investor does not immediately obtain the corresponding multiple of the voting weight, but gradually upgrades to the designated lock-up level.
Upgrade: It takes 15 days to upgrade each level.
If the upgrade is cancelled within 15 days, the funds will continue to be locked for 7 days from the cancellation time.
Downgrade: Take effect immediately, and funds will be released according to the previously specified lock-up time.

Each account can have multiple locked positions, and the time and amount of each position are independent.
Locked positions can be split but cannot be merged.

The locked position can be modified at any time before it is upgraded to the "permanent locked state";
The locked position cannot be modified after it has been upgraded to the "permanent locked position".


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3. Voting Power Lock Mechanism

Reference https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32357.0

A new lock operation and a change lock are added, `ticket_create_operation` and `operation ticket_update_operation` respectively. 

These new operations can specify the lock `account`, `time`, and `amount`.

The operating fee for lock-up and modification is fixed at 50 BTS.  This fee cannot be modified by the board.

There are 4 options for lock-up time; 180 days, 360 days, 720 days, and permanent lock.

TIME LOCK:

When locked for 180, 360, or 720 days, the locked BTS will generate 2X, 4X, and 8X the voting power respectively

PERMANENT LOCK:

When locked permanently - effectively burned - the locked BTS loses the right to vote
and the remain equivilent BTS in the account gets an 8X weight bonus. 
The weight bonus obtained by permanent lock-up will be halved every 180 days and expire completely after 720 days.

MAXIMUM POWER:

The maximum allowed VP weight is 32X which can be obtained through both permanent lock and timelock of 360 days or more.

UPGRADE / DOWNGRADE MECHANISM

The change of voting weight caused by lock-up adheres to an upgrade and downgrade mechanism as follows:

UPGRADE:

After initiating a lock-up transaction, the investor does not immediately obtain the corresponding multiple of the voting weight.  Instead the investor gradually upgrades to the designated lock-up level. It takes 15 days to upgrade each level.  If the upgrade is cancelled within 15 days, the funds will continue to be locked for 7 days from the cancellation time.

DOWNGRADE:

Downgrading takes effect immediately upon the user's request, however the funds will be released according to the previously specified lock-up time.

FAQ:

Can you have more than on locked position?

    Each account can have multiple locked positions, and the time decay and amount locked, of each position, are independent.

Can locked positions be split or merged?

    Locked positions can be split but cannot be merged.

When can locked positions be modified?

    The locked position can be modified at any time before it is upgraded to the "permanent locked state".
    Once permanently locked, it can never be modified again.

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4. 永久锁仓生效后的投票规则

当链上出现第一个“永久锁仓状态”的锁仓仓位后,如下投票规则生效:

4.1 不持有“永久锁仓状态”仓位的帐号,投票权重为零
4.2 抵押的 BTS 和挂单的 BTS 不再有投票权


更新:如何通过 cli_wallet 命令行进行锁仓相关操作,请往下翻页查看。

更新2: BitShares Mobile (BTS++) 手机钱包 v6.2 已经加入锁仓功能

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4. Voting rules after permanent lock-up takes effect

When the first "permanent lock state" locked position appears on the chain, the following voting rules will take effect:

4.1 Accounts that do not hold positions in the "permanent lock-up state" have a voting weight of zero
4.2 Mortgage BTS and BTS with pending orders no longer have voting rights


Update: How to perform lock-up related operations through the cli_wallet command line, please scroll down to see.

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4. Voting Rules in BitShares 4.0.0

When the first user's "permanently locked state" position appears on the chain, the following voting rules will take effect:

4.1 Accounts that do not hold at least 1 BTS in "permanently locked state" have a no voting power
4.2a BTS held as MPA collateral no longer has voting rights
4.2b BTS held as limit orders no longer has voting rights

Please scroll down to see how to perform the lock-up related operations via the command line interface
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当链上出现第一个“永久锁仓状态”的锁仓仓位后,如下投票规则生效:

4.1 不持有“永久锁仓状态”仓位的帐号,投票权重为零
4.2 抵押的 BTS 和挂单的 BTS 不再有投票权

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发起锁仓交易后,投盘人并不是马上获得对应倍数的投票权重,而是逐渐升级到指定的锁仓级别。
升级:每升一级需要 15 天。
如果 15 天内取消升级,资金从取消时间开始继续锁 7 天。

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50136317 2020-07-30T15:19:27 ticket_create_operation abit fee: 50 BTS   result: 1.18.3

那么你这个直接永久锁仓操作需要15*4=60天才能连续不间断升级成正式的“永久锁仓状态”?还是只需要15天就会升级为正式的“永久锁仓状态”?!

我的理解是:

如果有一个仓位是180天,只能按顺序升级为360,然后才能升级为720.

而新建一个360仓位,可以直接15天内升级到360.


如果是60天的话,那么现在公会有2.6亿票权可以各种骚操作60天;

如果是15天的话,那么现在公会有2.6亿票权可以各种骚操作15天;

或者B-DEX,baozi及BEOS都需要重新投票操作一下恢复票权。



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一件不是好事的好事?……虽然很硬……


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4.1 不持有“永久锁仓状态”仓位的帐号,投票权重为零

这个的意思是,只要有一个永久锁仓上链了,没有永久锁仓位的账号投票权为零,那180天的呢?如果都为零了,这中间岂不是有很大的空档期?

这个规则太硬了,后期能优化一下话可能就好多了……
180 天的,可以销毁(永久锁) 1 个 BTS 意思意思。

这个我感觉最后会要变成大家都永久锁一个bts意思意思,beos肯定还是山上的猴子,那山上的猴子必然还是猴子😸,交易所钱包有极大的投票优势
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